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No CP PvP is stupid

  • timidobserver
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    Rickter wrote: »
    @Joy_Division

    I agree with you. But what you said can be said about everything. Anything in this game in the right hands can be "OP" - there are people crying in the General Discussion right now about STAMPLARS - stamplars are extremely deadly in the right hands and ive experienced this first hand post patch in bgs and wayrest duels.

    In bgs, If I see a Stamplar and a MagSorc coming at me, the Stamplar gets ignored other than getting rid of the power of the light.
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  • inali
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    I agree there should be q'able cp BG brackets. Just like there should be lower level BG brackets and non cp bracket.
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  • Derra
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    My issue with no cp is that every is running the same builds. They made all of these cp changes and base game changes and then just push for less build diversity.

    tbh the cp changes alone force you into less build diversity.

    for magica builds in light everyone WAS already using sustain sets. now most people simply have to run two. Yeah ok.
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  • umagon
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    From my perspective, they are pushing for non-champion pvp because zos wants to introduce more power up based incentive awards. In the non-champion environments they have more of effect and grant players who use them an advantage versus those who do not. Not an advantage in every situation but enough of one for players to desire those items.

    Once they create this demand then they can monetize on sells of additional content where these items can be obtained. A good example of this is knight slayer; where some people believe it in conjunction with other sets would be extremely dominant in the pvp play fields. Which created a demand for the set and ultimately additional revenue that zos would have not gotten if the set did not exist.

    Personally, I just made a singular build that will do what I want in both non-champion point and champion point enabled play fields.
  • apostate9
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    Deny it or not, but the gap between metabuilds and non metabuilds is even higher than on a CP campaign. My craft only builds (who are not BIS, I know) at least work in CP PvP kinda well but no CP ist just a pain in the ass, it's completely pointless to join such a campaign without using broken stuff. I hope that at least all the whiners who complain over and over again about CP will be happy now and have a cool competition out of busted sets, because the brah with the cheesiest build wins in no CP.

    "broken stuff"

    "cheese builds"

    why does everyone throw around these buzzwords? if you cant kill someone who's relying on proc sets to win...L2P!

    This.

    I think this article needs to get circulated on here, I read it back when I was getting pwnd at Starcraft, and it changed my gaming life:

    http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win
  • leepalmer95
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    non cp fixes a lot of the issues and imbalanced in pvp.
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    I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.


    RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...
  • QuebraRegra
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    Deny it or not, but the gap between metabuilds and non metabuilds is even higher than on a CP campaign. My craft only builds (who are not BIS, I know) at least work in CP PvP kinda well but no CP ist just a pain in the ass, it's completely pointless to join such a campaign without using broken stuff. I hope that at least all the whiners who complain over and over again about CP will be happy now and have a cool competition out of busted sets, because the brah with the cheesiest build wins in no CP.

    I think a lot of people were having fun on the 30 day no cp campaign on the NA servers. It had almost as many people as the CP campaign, and I thought the game play was nice. faster paced for sure and less forgiving than CP but still fun.

    I wish AZURA had been a 7 day no-cp, that 30 day thing threw me...

    Still BWB was decent because along with no CP, it had lower cheese... except for a few ridiculous try-hards running sub 50 GOLD gear, and pushing the most exploitative meta for the sake of epeen.

    It might be interesting to see a campaign where some sets are nerfed/disabled, along with no CP and see how that plays out? Maybe some ults should be disabled at the lowest levels as well. I'm always amused on alts in BWB, when I see meteors dropping... seriously.
  • Baconlad
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    Good players go to no cp campaign for easy kills. Bad players go to CP campaigns to be better. Good players go to CP campaigns to have a bit more challange.
  • leepalmer95
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    Baconlad wrote: »
    Good players go to no cp campaign for easy kills. Bad players go to CP campaigns to be better. Good players go to CP campaigns to have a bit more challange.

    Why would good player go to non cp for easy kills? Good players who have high cp and would have an advantage in cp campaigns.

    Non cp puts them level with everyone else and they won't have bonus stats.

    Good players go to non cp because its better pvp, they go to non cp because they don't feel like they need a cp advantage to kill people.
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    I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.


    RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...
  • Docmandu
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    Derra wrote: »
    I have no idea how zos manages to make the game less fun for their existing playerbase without actually improving it for new players.

    Well said!
  • Jawasa
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    What you mean to say is, "nerf proc sets and Troll King."

    Amen
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