Do you like the Warden Class?

Johngo0036 · May 2017

Other (Explain)

I think it could be good but the skills feel clunky and slow,
They all seem to have a delay and not immediate,

notimetocare · May 2017

Yup, its great!

OmniDo wrote: »

Reasons? Sure.
1. No lore to back it up.
2. Being a Vampire Warden should be an impossibility
3. Wielding Ice, or any other elemental magic should be a Sorc's gig
4. Green Mushrooms and Bears? Uh...no

I would have had 10x more interest if they had introduced a class like Necromancer, or Lich, or something with far more "Cool" factor.

1. Says who? Last I checked ZoS writes ESO lore, and none of the Warden breaks established lore.
2. Says who? One does not lose their magical knowledge upon affliction, death, and undeath.
3. Uh, no? After claiming Warden is against lore you point out that you onow little about lore.
4. Care to expand with actually reasoning?

A Lich would be hunted and killed by everyone and their mother, as would a necromancer. Or did you forget the lore in ESO has Necromancy as an absolute enemy?

notimetocare · May 2017

Yup, its great!

TheHsN wrote: »

İ dont Like it CUZ,

*It doesnt have any uniqueness of it self...
*Its all skills are stolen from other classes skill and just changed animations...there is no creativity for it...
*To make The Warden they destroy other classes
*Dont like to see Bear and Mashrooms together!!!
*Warden means GUARDS and i dont thing a guard can protect with mushrooms to anyone:D...
*i just like Colors of skills:D....

1. It is as unique as any other
2. Not really
3. Not even close
4. 1 word: Nature
5. Learn english. Heck, learn language. You will find words do not always fit into a tight little box
6. At least one opinion here wasnt stupid lol

Vapirko · May 2017

No, it sucks. (Reason)

The stupid animations cause a ton of extra lag and fps drop in pvp. So not only does it have a ton of powerful stuff removed from other classes, you have the extra lag to deal with.

hmsdragonfly · May 2017

Tryxus wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

OmniDo wrote: »

Reasons? Sure.
1. No lore to back it up.
2. Being a Vampire Warden should be an impossibility
3. Wielding Ice, or any other elemental magic should be a Sorc's gig
4. Green Mushrooms and Bears? Uh...no

I would have had 10x more interest if they had introduced a class like Necromancer, or Lich, or something with far more "Cool" factor.

While I agree that Necromancers and Liches are far cooler, I must disagree with some of your points.

1. Plenty of lore. Take one step in Valenwood
2. Why? Could I not say the same about Vampire Templars (which would actually make sense)?
3. Tell that to the Dragonknights (who wield fire)
4. a. Mushrooms are awesome.
b. Bears are perfectly reasonable. In Morrowind: Bloodmoon, you are even able to summon one.

Regarding the Warden Lore: en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Who_are_the_Wardens_truly%3F

But, but, Phrastus is always right...

Kiwi · May 2017

Meh, Im indifferent.

Its a jack of all trades and a master of none

Tommy_The_Gun · May 2017

Other (Explain)

So um... let me put it this way...
You have a class that has stamina based healing and a lot of pets that can take aggro from mobs...
You will be probably able to solo most of the content of this game (yes even some group content)....

Furthermore - Warden has almost no problems with recurses management.
It is the same case as with sorcerer - class is "too good" when compared to others.

Do I like it ? Yes... I think I do. Even if warden was a total garbage and worst class in eso I would still probably pick it for my main character (that is if this class was available back in 2014 when I started playing eso).

The only thing I don't like is lack of class balance in eso.

greylox · May 2017

Yup, its great!

Loving my Stamward atm, feels different enough to keep me wanting to play it.

ofSunhold · May 2017

Other (Explain)

Round of applause for the art and animations teams.

I have some misgivings that they tried to cram too many things into one class, but it remains to be seen after further adjustments I suppose.

Seems odd there would be so many spinner-types in the world - I never have this feeling about the other classes - but the loreishness is good enough.

Many bears.

nhisso · May 2017

No, it sucks. (Reason)

Voted no it sucks. It is super boring. And I expected the ice skills to be more than just some lame ass shielding, a weird heal, and some ice spikes that shoot out of the ground. So we still dont have a proper ice mage class because of this asinine decision. And no, craptastic staves do not count. In excusable non sense from zeni as usual. I am deeply regretting being stupid enough to give zeni my money for this expansion and coming back to this half-assed excuse of an MMO. Lesson learned.

Yasha · May 2017

Too early to say yet, but I do wish it had some more stamina morphs/synergy particularly in the frost line. Overall I would have thought something like a necromancer/warlock type class would have been more popular, but at least its something new to play with.

VagabondLife · May 2017

No, it sucks. (Reason)

My Templar got destroyed for... THIS?

Khyras · May 2017

No, it sucks. (Reason)

Its not a pet class.

Tyrobag · May 2017

notimetocare wrote: »

OmniDo wrote: »

Reasons? Sure.
1. No lore to back it up.
2. Being a Vampire Warden should be an impossibility
3. Wielding Ice, or any other elemental magic should be a Sorc's gig
4. Green Mushrooms and Bears? Uh...no

I would have had 10x more interest if they had introduced a class like Necromancer, or Lich, or something with far more "Cool" factor.

1. Says who? Last I checked ZoS writes ESO lore, and none of the Warden breaks established lore.
2. Says who? One does not lose their magical knowledge upon affliction, death, and undeath.
3. Uh, no? After claiming Warden is against lore you point out that you onow little about lore.
4. Care to expand with actually reasoning?

A Lich would be hunted and killed by everyone and their mother, as would a necromancer. Or did you forget the lore in ESO has Necromancy as an absolute enemy?

1. There was no mention of anything like the warden prior to ESO.
2. You are correct on this point, no reason why they shouldn't be vampires.
3. Also correct here, why should elemental magic be limited to sorc? (although I'm not sure why you imply that it is related to lore)
4. Sounds like he just doesn't like the base concepts of the Warden

Not true, just look at Telacar and Vastarie.

RaddlemanNumber7 · May 2017

Other (Explain)

I really haven't been able to work out what, if anything, I can do with the Warden class.

I do passive RP. Look and feel are very important to me, and in that respect the Warden seems very conflicted.

The bear/snow/ice of Wrothgar doesn't sit well with the cliff racers/netch/mushrooms of Vvardenfell. Nor can I reconcile the Warden's magic pixie mushrooms and fairy wings with the idea of a Hero/Heroine who is tough enough to defeat Molag Bal and save Nirn.

That leaves the “fairy Princess with giant bear” option. But if I go for a Bosmer spinner or even an Argonian tree minder type character then the ice magic just doesn't fit. I'm pretty sure ice and snow are not a part of the natural cycle in Valenwood, Blackmarsh or a lot of other places in Tamriel. It just wouldn’t feel right to me.

Another issue I've got with the Warden are the ways in which the game's mechanics allow us to interact with wild nature. The Warden is supposed to protect the natural environment but almost the only interaction the game's mechanics allow is for us to destroy it. There's no special Warden spell or passive that pacifies wild animals. Just like every other class a Warden cannot walk through the forest without pulling every wolf, senche, skeever and beetle they encounter. And once that happens you either have to kill them or run away.

On top of all those look and feel issues, Mag Wardens also get a big kick in the teeth from the combat meta. I’d want to use an Ice Staff to make best use of the Warden's passives, but if you heavy attack with one of those you taunt. This is not good for a light armour pet build. Necro doesn't come in heavy.

And having said all that you can't get away from the fact that Warden is just another hotchpotch of Major this and Minor that. I don't need it.

At this point I think I'll be using those two new character slots for something other than a Warden.

MLGProPlayer · May 2017

Yup, its great!

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

So um... let me put it this way...
You have a class that has stamina based healing and a lot of pets that can take aggro from mobs...
You will be probably able to solo most of the content of this game (yes even some group content)....

Furthermore - Warden has almost no problems with recurses management.
It is the same case as with sorcerer - class is "too good" when compared to others.

Do I like it ? Yes... I think I do. Even if warden was a total garbage and worst class in eso I would still probably pick it for my main character (that is if this class was available back in 2014 when I started playing eso).

The only thing I don't like is lack of class balance in eso.

Warden DPS was absolutely abysmal on the PTS. Getting through vMA was extremely difficult due to low DPS (so much for being able to solo content). They were the worst DPS class by far. ZOS addressed some of their passives on Monday, but I haven't reached 50 yet to test.

When it comes to healing and tanking, they simply aren't as good as templar and DK.

MakoFore · May 2017

Meh, Im indifferent.

I like it but the animations are too messy and take up too much real estate. compared to a night blade and templar- its over the top. when the forest is cast- i can't even see any templar ground buffs. they need to make it fit in and not clash in terms of palette- when 3 templars cast forest plus bears running about- u can't see anything! they over did it here- trying too hard.

the other thing i hate is that betty netch. every other class when they call upon their major buff- be it armaments , molten or oterhwise- they call upon a basic elemental source, fire, darkness, light, electricity- the warden has ice and water to draw upon- but its most important buffs iss...... a jellyfish?? its weak as. when a DK draws armour- its cool af, when a night blade casts focus- its slick, a templar also looks cool when buffing and sorcs again- look like gods. warden could have been cool- have them pull water from the ground and turn themselves into quicksilver gods- something aweomse and subtle- just a slight colouration and elemental armour around them. but a floating netch by them looks toyish. other than those two points- that
1. the animations take up too much space and detail on the screen-
2. and the major buff of netch looks weak as hell

i like that they are versatile- and quite fun to play with. u can do whatever u want with it so far- a master at none sure- but its a good class to do lots with so far.

SydneyGrey · May 2017

Meh, Im indifferent.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Warden DPS was absolutely abysmal on the PTS. Getting through vMA was extremely difficult due to low DPS (so much for being able to solo content). They were the worst DPS class by far. ZOS addressed some of their passives on Monday, but I haven't reached 50 yet to test.
When it comes to healing and tanking, they simply aren't as good as templar and DK.

I think they're afraid of making any paid class too powerful, for fear that people will start screaming "Pay to win!!!" So pretty much any new class that comes out will be underpowered unless they offer it to everyone free via a patch.

jlmurra2 · May 2017

I haven't had enough time with it to form a full opinion, yet so far I'm not feeling the Animal Companion skill line. Betty Netch, and Falcon swiftness are the only skills I like the look, and effect of. The earlier skills, and ultimate bear, are neutral to me, I'm just not excited about them.

Most of Green Balance is pretty good. Can't really go wrong with a healing skill line for me. Fungal Growth is my least favorite in appearance, but I do like how everything else in the skill line looks.

Winter's Embrace is by far my favorite skill line for the Warden. I like the look, and effect of all the skills.

I made a Altmer magicka based character, and so she is becoming an ice mage/green healing type character. Using an ice staff, and restoration staff combination is working pretty well so far.

Hopefully I will be able to spend more time on her development this coming weekend.

starlizard70ub17_ESO · May 2017

Yup, its great!

If you expected Wardens to be high end DPS and run trials pretty much by themselves, you'll be disappointed. They are not as OP as people feared them to be. However they are a fun and entertaining class to play around with.

Myyth · May 2017

Other (Explain)

I only have a couple days playing so I cant really give any in depth opinion.

But one thing I dont like so far is the "blue/green energy" pets. I would rather see a real cliff racer, real beetles. ect.
This whole point your finger and some blue/green energy thing appears isnt really scratching my pet class itch.
I want animal companions! Not funky blue energy things.
And the orange/reddish brown bear companion doesnt look very ferocious. Looks more like hes going in for a cuddle.

HappyHaunt · May 2017

Other (Explain)

I haven't actually tried it yet; planning on making a Warden character soonish though. I'm wondering... do you have to have the bear ultimate for DPS? $:\$ I'm not keen on bears really... would have been cooler to be a wolf (or a permanent cliff racer!!!!!!) I'd rather play without the pet until they add more options.

subtlezeroub17_ESO · May 2017

Even with all the talks about them being a bad dps class, I'm still gonna make one anyway lol.

I'm fine with Wardens being the last on the dps playing field, as long as they stay true to Wardens having the top group utility of them all. Wardens should have a justifiable trial position, not because they nuke the hardest, but because they make everyone else nuke even harder.

I think if they're gonna buff Wardens, we shouldn't get number buffs, we should get a unique group dps boost that no other class has. Maybe in addition to the 10% HP boost we give with heals, give animal companions a passive that gives major (or minor) heroism every 10 seconds when we cast a spell. Or maybe we increase all damage of a target afflicted by our animal companion spells by 10% . Just examples btw.

Matter fact, this class reminds me of the Astrological class from FFXIV. People were so upset that they were a weak healing class upon release until they realized that between all the unique buffs Astros brought to the raid team, they were worth it. Them being on the team, made the team all together more powerful.

The tldr moral is, don't just number buff us. Make trials want to bring us for other reasons than our dps. That's what a "true" support class should do.

***p.s. I also think one of our animal companions skills should do frost damage instead of magic. Maybe perhaps screaming cliff racer?

Solariken · May 2017

Meh, Im indifferent.

I dislike ESO's class system in general. Warden is decent in comparison to the others but then I remember that they're all terrible.

rez0055 · May 2017

Yup, its great!

Even though I'm only lvl 19 atm, I think the class has got real potential. But i'm an Argonnian so no idea how this fella is going to work in pvp. I'll have to find out in a couple of days

DMuehlhausen · May 2017

Other (Explain)

Haven't played it yet.

ParaNostram · May 2017

Meh, Im indifferent.

OmniDo wrote: »

Reasons? Sure.
1. No lore to back it up.
2. Being a Vampire Warden should be an impossibility
3. Wielding Ice, or any other elemental magic should be a Sorc's gig
4. Green Mushrooms and Bears? Uh...no

I would have had 10x more interest if they had introduced a class like Necromancer, or Lich, or something with far more "Cool" factor.

1. Spinners, 'nuff said
2. Then the same should be said of Templar Vampires
3. Well then by that logic you should be critical of Dragonknights too.
4. Oh no that must be unBearable for you.

Doctordarkspawn · May 2017

Meh, Im indifferent.

My enjoyment of warden would rely on the balance of the rest of the game, and that sucks at the moment.

No point playing the cool druid class unless you can actually use the abilities for more than five seconds.

SilverWF · May 2017

No, it sucks. (Reason)

Nothing new, other than skin and skill animation.
Weak DD, weak healer, not a tank.
Stamina sucks by default at any class, especially for warden. Mag is better, but not any good in the any specific role as other classes.
It may be good for soloers to help them complete hard solo content - because it can do damage, heal and be a tanky, but not the best in slot for group content.
And since group content requires specialists in their roles and not requires "I can do everything a little", I would say: no, meh

As someone said: I would happy to see Necromancer, but with true skills, not "WTF it was?" as warden has

ThePonzzz · May 2017

Meh, Im indifferent.

Still think the better move was to go classless and have players pick 3 class lines to specialize in (with restrictions in place that prevent certain combos). Would have been a nod to the root culture of this franchise.