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Master-at-Arms and DoTs
Is Master-at-Arms CP supposed to apply to DoTs or not? Because it did at one time on PTS, and now it no longer does.
For example, it used to buff DK's Venomous Claw DoT but not anymore.
This one change can determine whether we got nerfed or buffed in terms of raw abilities damage (as opposed to sustain).
So, are you guys sure you want it not increasing damage over time? Thanks.
For example, it used to buff DK's Venomous Claw DoT but not anymore.
This one change can determine whether we got nerfed or buffed in terms of raw abilities damage (as opposed to sustain).
So, are you guys sure you want it not increasing damage over time? Thanks.
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Wreuntzylla✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Direct damage and DoTs are mutually exclusive categories. So the answer is not.
Direct really means all at once. Wrecking blow is direct damage. Biting Jabs is a DoT3 -
BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »Direct damage and DoTs are mutually exclusive categories. So the answer is not.
Direct really means all at once. Wrecking blow is direct damage. Biting Jabs is a DoT
Yes this is right.
Things that are not boosted by master at arms:
Destro ult, WoE, caltrops after the first hit, volley any DoT, jabs, flurry, beam, soul assault (if you turn on show damage dealt option all of them are shown in orange and are a bit smaller)
Things that are boosted: heavy and light attacks, skills that damage an enemy once ( if you turn on the show damage dealt option these will be the white damage numbers on your screen) and the only exception is Path of darkness it also deals direct damage0 -
Just tested some of these on PTS; Master-at-Arms affects both components of DK's Eruption; does affect Volley and Caltrops; does not affect Flurry.
Strange. How is Flurry a DoT?
Eruption, Volley, Caltrops are ground AoE; perhaps they are not considered DoTs.Edited by deleted220103-006055 on May 23, 2017 3:09PM1 -
rhapsodious✭✭✭✭✭
✭There had been some talk of DOT abilities counting as direct damage for the first hit, is that still true or?
e.g. if I use Poison Injection, the initial hit will be direct damage, but the subsequent ticks will not.
I think Flurry is considered the same "type" of move as jabs, since they are pretty stylistically similar. But idk, to me you're directly and deliberately attacking the target so it should count.
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vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It is best not to think about it. You could ask ZOS but the don't know. Or won't tell, since then we would point out the list of skills that don't follow the rules and they would have to fix them. Why would they want to make more work for themselves?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SunDrenched wrote: »Just tested some of these on PTS; Master-at-Arms affects both components of DK's Eruption; does effect Volley and Caltrops; does not affect Flurry.
Strange. How is Flurry a DoT?
Eruption, Volley, Caltrops are ground AoE; perhaps they are not considered DoTs.
Flurry is a DoT because the damage happens 'over time'... just like Jabs.CP: 2078 ** ESO+ 2025 Content Pass ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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paulsimonps✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Btw guys, non DoT AoE are considered Direct Damage. And AoE DoT with their dmg going out every other second and not every second is also direct damage, an example Lightningform is every 1s and so its not a Direct Damage, Bladecloak is every 3s and is considered Direct Damage, how do I know? It proced Selene. It also was blockable while lightningform was not. Not sure that if it procs selenes means 100% that master at arms would buff it but it would be consistent with what I have seen. Further testing on all abilities needs to be done in as sterile of an environment as can be found.3 -
Just to fill in the picture, Thaumaturge has no effect on any part of Eruption, Volley, or Caltrops; but does up Flurry.
So, a "damage over time" effect is something you "inject" into an enemy which then damages it from within. This is not then "direct damage."
Ground AoE damage from "without" and so are not "true" DoTs.
Flurry I guess is a peculiar exception.0 -
luen79rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Direct damage is like a punch in your face.PC/DC/NAserver
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Blade Cloak / Deadly Cloak is also direct damage, with Master-at-Arms but not Thaumaturge affecting it.0
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vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »Direct damage is like a punch in your face.
What about three punches to the face? Because now the game is confused.2 -
Blackbird_V✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »Direct damage and DoTs are mutually exclusive categories. So the answer is not.
Direct really means all at once. Wrecking blow is direct damage. Biting Jabs is a DoT
First hit of sweeps is direct damage. The passive proc from it is also direct damage.Edited by Blackbird_V on May 23, 2017 3:11PMDifficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 25 DLCs. 41 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game.0 -
acw37162✭✭✭✭✭
✭Quite a few standard DOTS in this game have up front damage.
Venom claw for instance has instant direct damage on cast so does poison arrow.
Other DOTs like jabs or liquid lightening can proc secondary passive effects like burning light or the sorc lightening execution passive which is direct damage.
Some skills are just buggy like refreshing path which counts as a DOT and is buffed by thamaturge but counts as direct damage for the gear set scathing mage.
Generally I've found any ability that does X damage on cast is direct dange even if it has a secondary effect DOT.Edited by acw37162 on May 23, 2017 3:40PM0 -
Right, for Venomous Claw and Poison Arrow, the damage on cast part is improved with Master-at-Arms, and the DoT part is improved with Thaumaturge.Quite a few standard DOTS in this game have up front damage.
Venom claw for instance has instant direct damage on cast so does poison arrow.
Generally I've found any ability that does X damage on cast is direct dange even if it has a secondary effect DOT.
Which makes sense, I suppose, though it is a definite nerf.0 -
sekou_trayvond✭✭✭✭✭The fact that this question is arising in multiple threads, with multiple answers/theories just begs for ZoS to add some clarification.
A simple statement like "direct damage" shouldn't cause this much confusion.
And no, I don't really have a definitive idea of what constitutes direct either.0 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭sekou_trayvond wrote: »The fact that this question is arising in multiple threads, with multiple answers/theories just begs for ZoS to add some clarification.
A simple statement like "direct damage" shouldn't cause this much confusion.
And no, I don't really have a definitive idea of what constitutes direct either.
I am waiting for the explanation. Im guessing it will be something along the lines of, 'All damage affected by the champion star Master-at-Arms is direct damage'....3 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SunDrenched wrote: »Just tested some of these on PTS; Master-at-Arms affects both components of DK's Eruption; does affect Volley and Caltrops; does not affect Flurry.
Strange. How is Flurry a DoT?
Eruption, Volley, Caltrops are ground AoE; perhaps they are not considered DoTs.
If my understanding of what qualifies as a DoT, Flurry shouldn't count cause it's a combo of damage ticks. Usually a DoT will read "Does x amount of damage over x amount of seconds" while Flurry is like, "Does four hits for x damage each then a final hit for x damage" which is different. A Templar's Jabs are this same way, but everyone knows that ability is considered a DoT. So really I have no clue what is and isn't anymore. I guess you just figure any ability that does damage with more than a single "hit" can be called a DoT.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭phaneub17_ESO wrote: »Direct Damage "should" be anything that is single target, burst. Right?
I'd say single target. Instant samage and dots can both be single target.0 -
Glass✭✭✭paulsimonps wrote: »Btw guys, non DoT AoE are considered Direct Damage. And AoE DoT with their dmg going out every other second and not every second is also direct damage, an example Lightningform is every 1s and so its not a Direct Damage, Bladecloak is every 3s and is considered Direct Damage, how do I know? It proced Selene. It also was blockable while lightningform was not. Not sure that if it procs selenes means 100% that master at arms would buff it but it would be consistent with what I have seen. Further testing on all abilities needs to be done in as sterile of an environment as can be found.
Indeed it doesn't mean is direct dmg if procs Selene's. Jabs procs Selene's and Valkyn Skoria, it is just another inconsistency like Twisting Path procking Scathing Mage or as I tested yesterday Daedric Mines procs Valkyn Skoria and so does Endless Fury explosion.
I think the only way to test it is with a dummy taking champion points in and out and check number difference for each skill.0 -
KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
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Jabs have always been considered a DOt, but Jabs is everything its a channel ,AOE,DOT.Its weird that way.
Than why did Master at Arms buff EOTS .There a PTS thread about this I just don't feel like looking for.
This be easier if ZOS just listed everything that's direct damage .
This is why I play Stam blade all of our abilities are clear cut.0 -
By the way, "returned" damage, such as from Spiked Armor, is increased by Master-at-Arms and not by Thaumaturge.
Perhaps Master-at-Arms should simply increase all damage: "direct," dot, ground AoE, point-blank AoE, returned; rather than all of the above except dot.
Similarly, Ironclad would reduce all damage.
This way, we'll all be buffed with regard to raw abilities damage. What's the fun in getting an update in which you so obviously get weaker?0 -
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luen79rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »Direct damage is like a punch in your face.
What about three punches to the face? Because now the game is confused.
Lmao I'm actually K.O. with all this confusionPC/DC/NAserver
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acw37162✭✭✭✭✭
✭paulsimonps wrote: »Btw guys, non DoT AoE are considered Direct Damage. And AoE DoT with their dmg going out every other second and not every second is also direct damage, an example Lightningform is every 1s and so its not a Direct Damage, Bladecloak is every 3s and is considered Direct Damage, how do I know? It proced Selene. It also was blockable while lightningform was not. Not sure that if it procs selenes means 100% that master at arms would buff it but it would be consistent with what I have seen. Further testing on all abilities needs to be done in as sterile of an environment as can be found.
Indeed it doesn't mean is direct dmg if procs Selene's. Jabs procs Selene's and Valkyn Skoria, it is just another inconsistency like Twisting Path procking Scathing Mage or as I tested yesterday Daedric Mines procs Valkyn Skoria and so does Endless Fury explosion.
I think the only way to test it is with a dummy taking champion points in and out and check number difference for each skill.
Jabs does not proc Selena's the burning light passive from the Templar skill line procs Selena's
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