Is Twice Fang Better Then Spriggans!?

mmolegends44 · May 2017

Working on a Stam Sorc build for PvE I don't have Twice Fang I have vicious ophidian still and I like it but I see twice fang and spriggan both do physical penetration just thought they was the same or similar in a way anyone have any ideas what to run if you do not have twice fang yet?

Bobby_V_Rockit · May 2017

Spriggan doesnt give any crit bonus TFS does. I'm in same boat, i have VO and spriggan, but the lack of crit chance bonus makes me doubt its efficiency

mmolegends44 · May 2017

Dude exactly was on the target skeleton 4 times damage was not there now i'm trying to figure out what to wear next @Bobby_V_Rockit

HarlotsLoki · May 2017

I'd go with Twice Fang or Night Mothers Gaze.

mmolegends44 · May 2017

Don't have twice fang yet so nightmothers and vicious ophidian?

Bobby_V_Rockit · May 2017

I use nightmothers and VO

mmolegends44 · May 2017

How's your damage with the both of them @Bobby_V_Rockit

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · May 2017

TFS gives 5k pen and spriggans is 4k, that is a 10% damage increase vs a 8% increase. NMG is 2.4k pen or 5ish% increase in damage.

if there is anyone else in the group that is running NMG, you get no benefit from the 5 piece.

the 900 stam vs 3% weapon crit is nominal, so it is best to use spriggans till you get TFS.

Bobby_V_Rockit · May 2017

With all medium armour I get 70.8% crit chance (spriggan) to 77.3% (nmg), damage is a little lower with nmg but I rely on crit surge for heals a lot so the extra 7% critical helps my survivability a lot.

I'm not that great on the DPS honestly, so cant say for sure what's better.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · May 2017

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

With all medium armour I get 70.8% crit chance (spriggan) to 77.3% (nmg), damage is a little lower with nmg but I rely on crit surge for heals a lot so the extra 7% critical helps my survivability a lot.

I'm not that great on the DPS honestly, so cant say for sure what's better.

77.3-70.8 = 6.5 crit, or 100/6.5, that is an extra crit every 15 attacks, it is not going to help you survive as much as you think.

you will rise your dps more with spriggans, things will die faster, the less you will have to worry about your healing.

Bobby_V_Rockit · May 2017

True, I have been stuck on round one of frozen arena in vMA for a while, soon as I put on Spriggans I got through the round first go, so yeah, go with that lol.

Ep1kMalware · May 2017

I wear spriggans. Never liked nmg though.

https://youtu.be/jXrYaymTXZs

Ihatenightblades · May 2017

I run 5 automaton divines on body 5 spriggan 3 jewelry 2 daggers sharpenedwith thief mundus and 2 velidreth or krags.

I do 32k dps with my stam sorc all my gear is gold

Tfs would give just a bit more dps but hardly noticable. Spriggan is nice because it has 2 stam bonus. Plus automaton gives health damage and stamina so with blue food you will have atleast 18k health if you are a orc like me

xblackroxe · May 2017

If you have vicious weapons run spriggan else run nmg. Loosing the pen bonus every rotation for 3-4 sec is just too bad.

sickboy2808 · May 2017

Im thinking of dropping TBS for spriggan but it means i need to buy one dagger. Im not very good at dps so i dont really know what to do??

Chi110ut · May 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

I run 5 automaton divines on body 5 spriggan 3 jewelry 2 daggers sharpenedwith thief mundus and 2 velidreth or krags.

I do 32k dps with my stam sorc all my gear is gold

Tfs would give just a bit more dps but hardly noticable. Spriggan is nice because it has 2 stam bonus. Plus automaton gives health damage and stamina so with blue food you will have atleast 18k health if you are a orc like me

Automaton got its health bonus changed to Weapon Crit as of yesterdays patch.

Bobby_V_Rockit · May 2017

Running Spriggans (3x body + 2x sharp daggers), Vicious Ophidian (2x body + 3x gold jewellery) and Kra'gh (1 medium + 1 heavy for undaunted). Buffed with blue health+stam I get:

18164 health
36308 Stamina
69.4% crit chance (79.4% if I slot camo hunter or use a weapon crit pot)
3013 wpn damage (3499 with crit surge up)

Vapirko · May 2017

Chi110ut wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

I run 5 automaton divines on body 5 spriggan 3 jewelry 2 daggers sharpenedwith thief mundus and 2 velidreth or krags.

I do 32k dps with my stam sorc all my gear is gold

Tfs would give just a bit more dps but hardly noticable. Spriggan is nice because it has 2 stam bonus. Plus automaton gives health damage and stamina so with blue food you will have atleast 18k health if you are a orc like me

Automaton got its health bonus changed to Weapon Crit as of yesterdays patch.

Whch could actually be a good thing.

mmolegends44 · May 2017

@Ihatenightblades automaton sounds good yeah will try it out 32k dps is still good to me

mmolegends44 · May 2017

yes my stam sorc is a orc too they changed the game to magic for pve now that's all you see not really alot of people still are stam i like stam to me

Elite · May 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

I run 5 automaton divines on body 5 spriggan 3 jewelry 2 daggers sharpenedwith thief mundus and 2 velidreth or krags.

I do 32k dps with my stam sorc all my gear is gold

Tfs would give just a bit more dps but hardly noticable. Spriggan is nice because it has 2 stam bonus. Plus automaton gives health damage and stamina so with blue food you will have atleast 18k health if you are a orc like me

you did 32k dps

do the parser again

LorDrek · May 2017

Venom+kragh+redmountain with swords, testet on my stam dk yesterday 31,6k on 3mil dummy . No problem with resorce.

Bobby_V_Rockit · May 2017

Spamming rapid strikes until i run out of stamina on the target dummy:

VO+Kra'gh+Spriggan: 11733.9 and 12852 dps
VO+Kra'gh+NMG: 11359.1 and 12467.8

Worst test ever and certainly nothing to take as gospel, but yeah, Spriggan ahead by about 374-385 dps lol. Or 3-3.2%...

But I'm sure if we extrapolate that to full rotations and include ultimates, that difference would become quite substantial.

Edit: added the difference appears to be around 3% in Spriggan's favour.

Smaxx · May 2017

Right now wearing 5x Spriggan + 5x Night Mother's Gaze + 2x Kra'gh and I like it actually. I want to use one of the SO sets, but to be honest couldn't be bothered running it lately – only did two or three trials since the introduction of VR16.

jakeedmundson · May 2017

Spriggans will be better for the majority...

Yes its 3% less crit... but you gain an extra 900+ stam

also, 95% of all players will never actually USE the 5k pen that is possible from TFS. Spriggans does a constant (and immediate) 4k pen.

Ihatenightblades · May 2017

Elite wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

I run 5 automaton divines on body 5 spriggan 3 jewelry 2 daggers sharpenedwith thief mundus and 2 velidreth or krags.

I do 32k dps with my stam sorc all my gear is gold

Tfs would give just a bit more dps but hardly noticable. Spriggan is nice because it has 2 stam bonus. Plus automaton gives health damage and stamina so with blue food you will have atleast 18k health if you are a orc like me

you did 32k dps

do the parser again

What u mean do again lol?

Ihatenightblades · May 2017

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Spriggans will be better for the majority...

Yes its 3% less crit... but you gain an extra 900+ stam

also, 95% of all players will never actually USE the 5k pen that is possible from TFS. Spriggans does a constant (and immediate) 4k pen.

Tfs does more dps than spriggan go watch alcast video he did more dps with tfs but not by much

jakeedmundson · May 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Spriggans will be better for the majority...

Yes its 3% less crit... but you gain an extra 900+ stam

also, 95% of all players will never actually USE the 5k pen that is possible from TFS. Spriggans does a constant (and immediate) 4k pen.

Tfs does more dps than spriggan go watch alcast video he did more dps with tfs but not by much

I'm aware that Alcast can do it... but most other people can't keep the 5k pen up at all times like Alcast or other elite players are able to do. that's why Spriggan will be better for most people.

You need to do 5 different attacks (deal damage) every 3 seconds to keep the stack, or 1.67 attacks/sec. your dot tics don't count towards it.

GriMTriAd · May 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Spriggans will be better for the majority...

Yes its 3% less crit... but you gain an extra 900+ stam

also, 95% of all players will never actually USE the 5k pen that is possible from TFS. Spriggans does a constant (and immediate) 4k pen.

TFS does more dps than Spriggan's go watch alcast video he did more dps with tfs but not by much

If you have perfect rotation and can keep all your dots up yes.

If you are slack at all, then maybe.

From what I have read (working on getting full TFS in divines so I can test this for myself) you get 1k per source of damage so you need 5 total sources of damage running to get the full 5k.

If you let even one dot drop regularly you're going to get similar numbers to Spriggan's. If you let both drop regularly then you're probably better off with Spriggan's.

As I understand it, you can test the way TFS works by going to a dummy and using Volley. You'll notice the first tick does less damage than the second, but the rest of the ticks will do the same as the second tick so you only received one stack of penetration buff for the entire cast.

I'm curious if sources have to be unique or if it's just per ability cast. I.E. does the damage from spamming light attack keep going up or does that also only increase once?

_WAter_

Bobby_V_Rockit · May 2017

But Spriggan's Thorns is so ugly... I think I'll keep running my nice looking glass NMG armour lol.

mmolegends44 · May 2017

lol