Stam warden, have trouble deciding racial for it. Advice appreciated.

darkstar2084 · May 2017

I want a jack of all trades Warden to try a tanking setup, Pvp battle grounds and half decent dps. Thinking Orc might be best for this. I have decided on my Mag warden being Dunmer just because of Morrowind, even if its not best choice over High elf. but deciding Stam is more difficult. what are you folks picking and why?

Shanjijri · May 2017

Khajiit.

leepalmer95 · May 2017

darkstar2084 wrote: »

I want a jack of all trades Warden to try a tanking setup, Pvp battle grounds and half decent dps. Thinking Orc might be best for this. I have decided on my Mag warden being Dunmer just because of Morrowind, even if its not best choice over High elf. but deciding Stam is more difficult. what are you folks picking and why?

Orc - 6% hp and stam, melee dmg, sprint speed + healing received, 20% hp recovery
Nord 9% hp and 6% stam, 20% healing, cold dmg reduction, 20% hp recovery.
Khajiit - 10% stam recovery, 20% hp regen, 10% stealth dmg (basically useless for warden), 8% wpn crit (more dmg + more heals)

+ your gonna to need some more hp from somewhere as well.

These 3 have a very nice synergy with troll king, just major endurance from a pot, racial passive, base troll king proc and base hp regen will put your around 2.8k (so 1.4k hp a second) and in a patch where healing has become quite hard for stamina builds this is amazing.

Redguard - Still highest base stam + 9% regen + stam gained passive (while nerfed is still noticable)
Woodelf - 6% max stam, 21% regen, posion/disease resistance, stealth dmg

In a patch where people are struggling with sustain it does seem like picking a sustain race is right, but....

I'd likely go orc or nord myself.

Orc for pure dmg, better hp and healing, sprint speed (useful for ctf) and synergy with troll king.
Nord for a similar but more tanky race, slightly more hp, dmg reduction which synergies well with wardens own minor protection.

hmsdragonfly · May 2017

The whole class is based on the Bosmer.

So there's only one answer: Bosmer.

ADarklore · May 2017

I'm going with Imperial. Max Health, Max Stamina and Health Return in melee combat.

TheRealPotoroo · May 2017

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

The whole class is based on the Bosmer.

So there's only one answer: Bosmer.

No.

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2017/04/20/eso-morrowind--who-are-the-wardens-truly

leepalmer95 · May 2017

ADarklore wrote: »

I'm going with Imperial. Max Health, Max Stamina and Health Return in melee combat.

The health return is basically useless though.

Ulfgarde · May 2017

Wood elf. Why? Let me break it down a little.

Y'ffre's Endurance - Increases Stamina Recovery by 21%: This is the highest recovery increase available to a race in the game. The sustain you will have from this is massive. This will make you 2k stam recovery turn to 2.4k and 1.8k turn to 2.1k, etc. It's powerful this patch because of the redguard nerf, making Wood Elf the next best thing.

Resist Affliction - Increases your Max Stamina by 6% and Poison and Disease Resistance by 1485: Decent stam pool and gives us a little bit of resistance. This isn't a very strong ability but at least it gives some stamina, thus upping sustain / damage a decent amount.

Stealthy - Increases damage done while in Stealth by 10%: Another useful ability for wood elves, but a little redundant for stam wardens. You can strike from stealth and deal quite a bit of extra damage, yet seeing how the Warden will operate, it's difficult to say that this skill will be useful. If you can time an opener in stealth with this passive, you can see a decent amount of extra damage just from choosing Bosmer.

By far, the stam recovery passive is the most useful passive. You can run with insane recovery in battlegrounds, and we all know sustain will be king this patch. I would highly suggest it, especially if you don't know what to run quite yet.

ADarklore · May 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

I'm going with Imperial. Max Health, Max Stamina and Health Return in melee combat.

The health return is basically useless though.

ANY health return is beneficial... even minor... plus, when you have a skill that does damage based upon MAX HEALTH, Imperials give a 12% increase to Max Health. Also, IMO, any increase to health increases survivability and means you have to rely less upon other defensive abilities.

leepalmer95 · May 2017

ADarklore wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

I'm going with Imperial. Max Health, Max Stamina and Health Return in melee combat.

The health return is basically useless though.

ANY health return is beneficial... even minor... plus, when you have a skill that does damage based upon MAX HEALTH, Imperials give a 12% increase to Max Health. Also, IMO, any increase to health increases survivability and means you have to rely less upon other defensive abilities.

I'd still go orc over it, more healing, more dmg (melee dmg > ), sprint speed, hp regen.

The imperial last passive is so, so low. Plus you only get heals when your offensive and when you usually need heals your rolling with vigor so you don't actually get them.

Nords a good option as well, same hp, half the stam bonus but 6% reduction.

Jonno · May 2017

Ulfgarde wrote: »

Wood elf. Why? Let me break it down a little.

Y'ffre's Endurance - Increases Stamina Recovery by 21%: This is the highest recovery increase available to a race in the game. The sustain you will have from this is massive. This will make you 2k stam recovery turn to 2.4k and 1.8k turn to 2.1k, etc. It's powerful this patch because of the redguard nerf, making Wood Elf the next best thing.

Resist Affliction - Increases your Max Stamina by 6% and Poison and Disease Resistance by 1485: Decent stam pool and gives us a little bit of resistance. This isn't a very strong ability but at least it gives some stamina, thus upping sustain / damage a decent amount.

Stealthy - Increases damage done while in Stealth by 10%: Another useful ability for wood elves, but a little redundant for stam wardens. You can strike from stealth and deal quite a bit of extra damage, yet seeing how the Warden will operate, it's difficult to say that this skill will be useful. If you can time an opener in stealth with this passive, you can see a decent amount of extra damage just from choosing Bosmer.

By far, the stam recovery passive is the most useful passive. You can run with insane recovery in battlegrounds, and we all know sustain will be king this patch. I would highly suggest it, especially if you don't know what to run quite yet.

21% of 0 is still 0 though and its useless on tank cause dont recover while blocking
Redguard seems best choice
imperial /orc close 2nd

Ulfgarde · May 2017

Jonno wrote: »

Ulfgarde wrote: »

Wood elf. Why? Let me break it down a little.

Y'ffre's Endurance - Increases Stamina Recovery by 21%: This is the highest recovery increase available to a race in the game. The sustain you will have from this is massive. This will make you 2k stam recovery turn to 2.4k and 1.8k turn to 2.1k, etc. It's powerful this patch because of the redguard nerf, making Wood Elf the next best thing.

Resist Affliction - Increases your Max Stamina by 6% and Poison and Disease Resistance by 1485: Decent stam pool and gives us a little bit of resistance. This isn't a very strong ability but at least it gives some stamina, thus upping sustain / damage a decent amount.

Stealthy - Increases damage done while in Stealth by 10%: Another useful ability for wood elves, but a little redundant for stam wardens. You can strike from stealth and deal quite a bit of extra damage, yet seeing how the Warden will operate, it's difficult to say that this skill will be useful. If you can time an opener in stealth with this passive, you can see a decent amount of extra damage just from choosing Bosmer.

By far, the stam recovery passive is the most useful passive. You can run with insane recovery in battlegrounds, and we all know sustain will be king this patch. I would highly suggest it, especially if you don't know what to run quite yet.

21% of 0 is still 0 though and its useless on tank cause dont recover while blocking
Redguard seems best choice
imperial /orc close 2nd

You won't be holding block all the time. Tank =/= Perma-block Tank. If you want that, go something like Nord where you'll die a ton next patch because of the block cost changes. These changes effectively increase block costs by 50% since any group higher than 4 will spam attacks on you, and then you're screwed because you can't sustain being hit every quarter-second.

You need sustain, first and foremost. You won't be holding block all the time because you will run out of resources. What happens when you run out of sustain? You die. And you will need sustain to effectively tank. A good tank will not sit there and hold block; factors such as LoS and timing your heavy attacks + CCs is important. Soloing requires Vigor, which is also increased cost, plus you have things like Constiution nerfs.

Orc / Imperial is not very useful because they have no sustain. Would call a close 2nd on Redguard since they do have some decent sustain post-patch.

hmsdragonfly · May 2017

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

The whole class is based on the Bosmer.

So there's only one answer: Bosmer.

No.

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2017/04/20/eso-morrowind--who-are-the-wardens-truly

Cinnabar supporter? I believe in Phrastus.

Saint_Bud · May 2017

All works, redguard may still the best for sustain, but the other are fine.

scipionumatia · May 2017

Currently unsure about this one as well. I suppose if I go bosmer you'll need to run dubious food, and stack sustain w/ mundus and sets like bone pirate tatters. If I go imperial, max resource sizes are always good, nord has good passives too for this class.
I dunno guys this is gonna be a tough one

Kay1 · May 2017

Bosmer for PvP

Khajiit for PvE

After few tests I realized sustain is complete *** if you are not a Bosmer.

Enslaved · May 2017

Griffe wrote: »

Khajiit.

This, if PvE. If PvP, Orsimer/Redguard.
If tanking oriented, Saxhleel/Nord/Imperial.

Brrrofski · May 2017

Redguard or Orc for any Stam class except NB if you ever want to PvP on them.

Depends if you want sustain or mobility/damage.

In a CP setting, orc all day long.

Blackshark · May 2017

For DPS, the usual races apply for Stamina (not necessarily in this order):

1) Redguard
2) Imperial
3) Khajit

Two of those three above have max Stamina (thus max damage potential) while the Khajit weapon critical more than compensates for the lack of Max Stamina.

The jury is still out on Bosmer and Orc though Bosmer may end up being BiS IF sustain has a big of an impact as some people think. Orc is a decent choice but is sub-optimal to the Big Three IMO.

Tanking:

1) Imperial
2) Nord
3) Argonian

Again, the usual.