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Prior Morrowind launch: what do you think the proper $ value of this expansion?
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Runs✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭20$ morrowind
10$ class
10$ battlegrounds
Seems fine to me.
-edit- Although it really should have included 1 or 2 character slots in with the price, in my opinion.Edited by Runs on May 19, 2017 10:48AMRuns| Orc Nightblade • Chim-el Adabal| Dunmer Templar • M'air the Honest| Khajiit Templar
Oddity| Altmer Sorceror • Drizlo| Orc DragonKnight • Lady Ra Gada| Redguard Sorceror
Taste-of-Hist-Sap| Argonian Nightblade • War'den Peace| Khajiit Warden • Little Warden Annie Altmer Warden
Ports with Blood| Breton Templar • Dirty-Old-Man| Dunmer DragonKnight • Eyes-of-the-Sun| Argonian DragonKnight
Bleak Mystique| Nord Warden • Polychronopolous| Imperial Sorceror • Bullcrit| Khajiit Nightblade
PC NA CP 1250+ and still a noob
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Kneighbors✭✭✭✭✭10$-20$Personally the biggest issue I see is low player pool for Battlegrounds. I imagine that there will be a huge difference in NA vs EU servers. While NA users are more easily pulling up their $$$ for gaming content many of EU players don't. Take for example huge player pool from Eastern Europe (Bulgaria, Ukraine, Russia etc). 40$ is nowhere a joke there to pay up for "expansion". Seems that mostly only truly devoted players will pay that amount. So it's going to be elites battlegrounds, something I really dislike as an average player.Edited by Kneighbors on May 19, 2017 10:52AM0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭10$-20$The size and content are comparable to the Orsinium update so that's my pricepoint.
Ppl keep saying but yeah there's a new class too
That class was created back in closed PC beta and never released...it's just being unlocked now so I don't consider it added value in how the game works you have to start literally all over-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
~<{[50]}>~ looks better than *5013 -
Kneighbors✭✭✭✭✭10$-20$I don't have an issue with the price since other MMOs release their expansion pack with a similar price . My issue is , that 40 dollars is not the same value for everyone . I live in Turkey and it costed me 150 liras . That's like , a lot of money for an expansion pack . Even for a game , that's a lot and I paid it for an expansion pack . 40 dollars doesn't seem like a lot of money for most of you but it is crapton money for some people out there like myself . I hoped they would made a discount type of thing for long-time subs but didn't happen . Can't say I am happy to pay this much money for an expansion pack but I can't expect a special discount because I live in a different country .
Note : When Morrowind drops , there should be a discount on Character Slots in Crown Store . In order to create a Warden , I will have to pay again or delete one of my characters . That's just not good .
Thats exactly the point I posted at the same time with you. On EU server i assume over half of the players coming from the countries where 40$ is something like 100$ in USA (comparing in terms of consumables prices).
So I expect there won't be many who will buy Morrowind and Battlegrounds will become elites hangout. Its going to be same groups again and again and coming with a random party of average players like me I will only get PITA.0 -
CaptainBeerDude✭✭✭✭✭FloppyTouch wrote: »Just this it's a damn DLC we all know it you can't defend that
Sure they can. Here are some arguments put forth by apologists:
"This is not a DLC, this is a chapter"
"ESO can't be compared to other MMOs' prices"
"Morrowind is priced just like other MMO's expansions"
"Crybabies want everything for free"
"Morrowind is bigger than any other DLCs and therefore worthy of not being in the crown store"
"The definition of a DLC and expansion is not a fixed one"
"Still cheaper than other entertainment alternatives"
"ZOS is a business and is obligated to make as much money as possible"
"ZOS is allowed to change their business model whenever they like"
The problem is they were MMO noobs when they started this. Their legal jargon was lifted directly from the sub required era of the game. So, in order to keep up with costs (not just now, but in the future as well) they needed to alter it. Does it suck? Probably. Even if they had waited until later to change it, all of the freeloaders would complain. (Generalisation, I am a freeloader and not complaining.)
Some of the things I see ppl write make me wonder if y'all ever had to do a day of work in your lives.2 -
ParaNostram✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭30$-40$Some helpful information for people to see in regards to the actual size of the zone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lMxZZ3l8-U "Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
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kevlarto_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭10$-20$This dlc is priced like an expansion which it is not, granted it is a large dlc with a new class, but lacks many many things, I miss real expansions that double the size of the world, hundreds of hours of content new raids new quality of life improvements, new features, think the last game I played that made expansions like that was The Rift.3 -
Dracindo✭✭✭✭✭10$-20$ParaNostram wrote: »Some helpful information for people to see in regards to the actual size of the zone.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lMxZZ3l8-U
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dennissomb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭10$-20$Originally I had planned to purchase morriwind. After getting into beta the new zone is technically bigger (actual land mass size) then Orsinium however there is not more actual content/hours of questing then orsinium. It puts morriwind in a weird category. It has more then a typical DLC by introducing battle grounds and a new class but overall it has no where close to what is a typical expansion in most MMOs for 40 dollars.
It really will not matter this time around. If I had to guess I would say that at least 90% of the "active player" base will purchase Morriwind. In a couple of years if they try the same thing I am guessing there will be more of a push back1 -
Talrol✭✭✭There was no option for this so I'm not voting in the poll itself.
The proper dollar value for anything is what the seller wants to sell it for vs what the buyer is willing to pay. I personally paid for the larger package for the extras that come with it and was happy with the price I paid for it. I have paid much more for expansions in other games over the years while being a subscriber.
So as with anything that can be purchased ESO has set a price if we as the purchasers want to have the content then we will pay that price and that is exactly the amount of money that the expansion is worth.0 -
Kneighbors✭✭✭✭✭10$-20$There was no option for this so I'm not voting in the poll itself.
The proper dollar value for anything is what the seller wants to sell it for vs what the buyer is willing to pay. I personally paid for the larger package for the extras that come with it and was happy with the price I paid for it. I have paid much more for expansions in other games over the years while being a subscriber.
So as with anything that can be purchased ESO has set a price if we as the purchasers want to have the content then we will pay that price and that is exactly the amount of money that the expansion is worth.
You seem like a big MMO fan. But not all of the players are like this. Some players are like me, average players who enjoy to play ESO here and there together with other games like FPS or online shooters. So while for you this price seems below normal, for me it looks overwhelming, it's a price of a nice AAA game.0 -
dodgehopper_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »I'll pay $40 if an expansion is big . Multiple Dungeoms , a good solid 50+ added quests and "Game Improvements" are made . I quoted that because for me that's just as important as any content in an expansion if not more important . Of course , what is a game improvement is pretty vague term and subjective . I didn't find the majority of changes in testing to be actual improvements as they were actually mostly progress hindering balance changes to address power creep . A scrap to the CP system from battlefield PVP with no compensation for time and work invested in the old system .
So for me , paying for expansion that breaks up past achievements is rediculous and it didn't hit the mark for me in actual size and content to be an expansion . Some will say they added a new class . To me that's a big whoop , I don't actually want the class and also don't like specific classes behind paywalls . Content behind paywalls is fine , not classes .
They decided to put the battlefields behind the paywall too . That always splits up a PVP community . So you end up with less participants . That should just be added as continual support towards PVP that has suffered since launch . A payback to everyone that watched servers get smaller and smaller because they couldn't get their server performance to match up with what they advertised . Ya , I think subscribed PVP players since launch were owed those as compensation . Many nights were lost to Cyrodiil just being unplayable .
But ya $40 is fine for a good system and a sizable expansion .
I'm happy they added the class but I also agree I would have preferred all classes open to everyone.US/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
US/AD - Arondonimo - Vet Altmer Sorcerer | US/AD - Azumarax - Vet Dunmer Dragon Knight
US/AD - Barkan al-Sheharesh - Vet Redguard Dragon Knight | US/AD - Aelus Vortavoriil - Vet Altmer Templar
US/AD - Shirari Qa'Dar - Vet Khajiit Nightblade | US/AD - Ndvari Mzunchvolenthumz - Vet Bosmer Nightblade
US/EP - Yngmar - Vet Nord Dragon Knight | US/EP - Reloth Ur Fyr - Vet Dunmer Sorcerer
US/DC - Muiredeach - Vet Breton Sorcerer | US/DC - Nachtrabe - Vet Orc Nightblade
EU/DC - Dragol gro-Unglak - Vet Orc Dragon Knight | EU/DC - Targan al-Barkan - Vet Redguard Templar
EU/DC - Wuthmir - Vet Nord Sorcerer | EU/DC - Kosh Ragotoro - Vet Khajiit Nightblade
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smacx250✭✭✭✭✭Personally, I'm ok with the "price", but don't like the purchase option. I'd instead like the option for ESO+ members to be able to purchase chapters with crowns.
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grizzledcroc✭✭✭✭Nemesis7884 wrote: »How would anyone know before playing it? Besides more content = more revenues = more content ...?! So that spirale is a good thing
PTS and a lot of people got permission to start posting stuff about it online0 -
DMuehlhausen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Over 50$Honestly I completely understand and expect why this is an expansion and why they are charging for it.
That being said the statue alone makes it worth the 99$ I'm paying. So me the expansion is free.0 -
Valkysas154✭✭✭✭✭20$-30$20-30 it's what maybe 5% bigger than Orsinium and 20% of it we might not be able to get to - volcano- taking up allot of space
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Blackshark✭✭✭Mmorpg recently reviewed it, to quote them
- Not enough content to justify being called an expansion. Morrowind is an overpriced DLC - $40 when normally this sort of thing should cost $20
Just read the review. You're flat-out lying.
> Zenimax is walking a fine line. They don’t want to call Morrowind an expansion, as it’s not in a traditional sense. It’s not only for the top-end players, but also because it what many would consider less than enough content to truly match what other MMORPG retail expansions offer. Vvardenfell is indeed the game’s largest single zone to date, and there are roughly 30 hours of questing content packed into the area. But that’s on the low end for any RPG, much less an Elder Scrolls RPG.
> What pads Morrowind out and makes it feel closer to worth its $40 base asking price is the new class and new PVP Battlegrounds . That said, there aren’t any real quality of life or game systems being added with Morrowind. In essence, it’s a huge DLC which normally costs $20. When looking at the prices, the $40 for what you get puts it right in line with other DLC – except the ESO plus folks still have to shell out the cash when they’d normally have access for free.
http://www.mmorpg.com/elder-scrolls-online/previews/finally-return-to-morrowind-1000011695
As the highlighted parts note, the reviewers does consider it worth $40 as a total package. Now, in regard to the ESO+ situation, I personally would have bought it either way as I do with any DLC so the point is moot to me.
@OjustabooEdited by Blackshark on May 19, 2017 3:50PM0 -
MrBeatDown_✭✭✭20$-30$It only worth 20$ tops. For them to mark it up too high in price , well that goes to show you that not enough people are buying the product and they are desperate for money.
This has to be the smallest "Expansion" that I have ever witnessed before in my lifetime for any game. 1 new zone, character, dungeon, Is not an expansion. An expansion is at least 1/3 of the base game and should cost 1/3 of the original price. This is a money grab because they got there ass kicked with people hoarding crowns and only buying them when they were on sale, then people wouldn't spend them until the dlc were reduced in price. This company had no choice but to overcharge for this DLC and call it an expansion or New chapter and charge cash for it instead of crowns. LOL.2 -
KochDerDamonen✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've yet to actually see what makes vvardenfell so special, considering I don't have it in my hands currently. The only thing I see from the features listed that's special is the Warden. Is a class worth $20 (and the other $20 being unpayable with crowns?)If you quote someone, and intend for them to see what you have said, be sure to Mention them with @[insert name].0 -
goldnugget✭✭✭20$-30$its just a new orsinium. theyre just cash grabbing more this time. 1 new zone?? that isnt an expansion. a real expansion would be atleast the size of one of the alliance's areas, or 4ish zones.Edited by goldnugget on May 19, 2017 4:31PM2 -
Caligamy_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭20$-30$Frankly I am fine with the $40 price tag (even though this will in fact be smaller that some current DLC) ...BUT what has really turned me off to this company was selling me crowns under one promise and then switching the terms of what they could be used for to get me to pay again separately for this.
Let me add by saying I have already bought Morrowind because I do understand developers need to eat, but the fact remains they broke a promise there and going forward ESO+ will never be an option for me again. I did not subscribe for crowns to purchase ridiculous mounts, pets, horses, dresses, etc. I subbed for the DLC and along the way I spent my crowns on just that, digital content access.
I still have a balance of crowns on my account from early this year but this kind of bait and switch tactic tip toeing around virtual currency laws and carefully worded phrasing is not something I will tolerate. In the end Zenimax will now make less from me because of this decision, and I will continue to speak my dissatisfaction using my wallet. Before the endless troves of excuse makers latch on to attack that, it's not about being entitled and "wanting something for free", its about self-respect.
So with that being said.. since the Morrowind announcement I have now saved $60 by not subscribing and purchased the bare minimum Morrowind upgrade for $39.99.love is love1 -
Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I thought about getting the CE, but then the Kagouti was announced and I'd rather have a fire-farting lizard than CE collectibles I just won't use. So I got the basic upgrade for $31.15.
Which is fine for basically what amounts to Bethesda getting greedy over an anniversary. Star Wars' 40th anniversary is this year, and all that's really amounted to is companies wanting and expecting "superfans" to buy more Star Wars *** at inflated prices. But I prefer to see anniversaries as celebrations of personal events, not just counting the years after a street date which you can do for anything. Seriously. It's the 17th "anniversary" of Battlefield Earth.
And then ZOS swoops in for the upsell. After I put in my Morrowind code from Green Man there was a screen about adding ESO+. Even though I'm already an ESO+ member through July. Or, I can put in a prepaid game card. Like it's 2014 or something.
LOVE IT GUYS CAN'T WAIT FOR NEXT YEAR.
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Zardayne✭✭✭✭✭30$-40$For an expansion that offered me a nature route to my character creation, it was worth the $60 I paid. For anyone else not hyped on the warden I'd say $30-40.Edited by Zardayne on May 19, 2017 5:18PM0 -
colig✭✭✭✭20$-30$CaptainBeerDude wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »Just this it's a damn DLC we all know it you can't defend that
Sure they can. Here are some arguments put forth by apologists:
"This is not a DLC, this is a chapter"
"ESO can't be compared to other MMOs' prices"
"Morrowind is priced just like other MMO's expansions"
"Crybabies want everything for free"
"Morrowind is bigger than any other DLCs and therefore worthy of not being in the crown store"
"The definition of a DLC and expansion is not a fixed one"
"Still cheaper than other entertainment alternatives"
"ZOS is a business and is obligated to make as much money as possible"
"ZOS is allowed to change their business model whenever they like"
The problem is they were MMO noobs when they started this. Their legal jargon was lifted directly from the sub required era of the game. So, in order to keep up with costs (not just now, but in the future as well) they needed to alter it. Does it suck? Probably. Even if they had waited until later to change it, all of the freeloaders would complain. (Generalisation, I am a freeloader and not complaining.)
Some of the things I see ppl write make me wonder if y'all ever had to do a day of work in your lives.
This is not the first MMO this company has released.0
