Can somebody explain what's the big deal with animation cancelling?

me_ming · May 2017

DoShazarr wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

These threads are caused by people who reks these ''forum warriors'' . Doesn't matter how . Doing more DPS , better tanking , better healing , beating in duel ... And these people who got beaten in some way , learns how they got beaten and immediately start thinking like ''Wow , that guy is using cheats! I am sure if he wasn't using cheats , I would beat him!'' Where they complain ? Forums , of course . And as you know , lots of people are started to play ESO since Homestead because housing , roleplay etc. More new players > more people getting beaten by others > more forum threads .

What about the ''animation cancelling doesn't require skill'' discussion ^^ Only someone who doesn't know what animation cancelling is can say that . Timing light attacks perfectly for every skill requires practice , hours of practice . Most people doesn't even know what it is . They think you can cast multiple skills at once ^^ Forums are funny . Go to Youtube , watch couple videos on how to do animation cancelling . Learn it properly . I know what you are thinking . ''I know what it is already!'' No you don't . There are 7 animation cancelling with couple other non-important ones . Light cancel , Medium cancel , Heavy cancel , block cancel , swap cancel , roll cancel , bash cancel . Here you go . Why am I trying so hard to make you learn ? Not because I want you to do it . I just want you to know exactly what it is . If you are against it , you will be able to stop yourself from doing it without noticing . I am just trying to help you . If you are against something , you should know what you are against at perfectly . So you don't do it yourself . Here is a guide that is very detailed , fast and to the point . It doesn't cover all of those I said earlier but it covers most of it . It also comes with a very special and powerful cancel works very well in PvP !

Cheers and good luck .

Except I already really do know what it is, been using it for quite a while and don't think it's anything special whatsoever.

Also you ignored a huge chunk of my initial post as I said i don't care and won't care but lots of people are physically unable to do so, yet you keep saying they're just notbthat good. *sadface*

What I don't understand from your post is that, so what if other people have a disability? I am not trying to be inconsiderate, but it is a feature of the game. I'm sorry that other people can't physically do it. But I've seen blind artists who have painted wonderful paintings. I can't understand why someone with a disability can't do the same in this game, if they really want to improve or do more. If not, they can still play the game and not animation cancel-- what's the problem there?

If I was disabled, the last thing I would want is to be treated specially because I have a disability, I want life to move on as is.

dday3six · May 2017

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we arent in sports, this is just a game for relaxation and enjoyment, there is zero profit to be made and zero to gain in real life from doing well or not doing well in eso.
so my statement remains as sound Truth.

my statement:

1) animation cancelling is not a feature, it is an unintended ability that the devs don't know how to fix. although, with this next patch coming on the 22nd if you animation cancel with the resources the way the devs have them now set in the next patch then you will be very quickly out of resources.

2) there is no such thing as "top tier players", we are all just renting space and characters in this MMO, people are allowed to do as they wish with those characters.
at no time should you publicly consider and speak out about other players as "Top Tier" as you put it, or "Non Top Tier" or "Bad Players" just because you admire or do not admire how they play, it is not only insulting and embarrassing to other players, but it is also against the TOS.

You can't by pass the 0.9s gcd with animation canceling so you're wrong on the OOR in Morrowind part.

ESO has metircs to measure performance, those are used to define the spectrum of good, bad and middle. So there very much is top tier as well as every other tier in between. The leisure activity statis of ESO does nothing to alter that.

Doing well enough in ESO can benefit someone financially in real life via twitch, youtube and article writing, etc.

It would be against TOS to continually harass a player about in game performance. Labeling on some sort of tier list is not.

You don't have truth on your side rather an opinion and the agenda of pushing it. Calling it the "truth" doesn't change that.

wahoozie · May 2017

What content actually *requires* the use of animation cancelling? I've only recently started to get decent at it, and while I have seen the increase in damage and ultimate utility it gains, I never actually had problems previously. I think players having problems with current content is more so improper gearing and skill usage. Just my opinion.

Gilvoth · May 2017

Mjollo wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we arent in sports, this is just a game for relaxation and enjoyment, there is zero profit to be made and zero to gain in real life from doing well or not doing well in eso.
so my statement remains as sound Truth.

my statement:

1) animation cancelling is not a feature, it is an unintended ability that the devs don't know how to fix. although, with this next patch coming on the 22nd if you animation cancel with the resources the way the devs have them now set in the next patch then you will be very quickly out of resources.

2) there is no such thing as "top tier players", we are all just renting space and characters in this MMO, people are allowed to do as they wish with those characters.
at no time should you publicly consider and speak out about other players as "Top Tier" as you put it, or "Non Top Tier" or "Bad Players" just because you admire or do not admire how they play, it is not only insulting and embarrassing to other players, but it is also against the TOS.

Where in the TOS anywhere does it say it is against our free will to classify players based on our personal opinions?

Code of Conduct:
2.5 You may not harass, threaten, embarrass, or cause distress to another customer or guest using ZeniMax sites and Services. This includes but is not limited to verbal attacks, unwanted messaging, personal attacks, stalking or any other undesired behavior used to cause discomfort or disrupt another customer's experience. At all times users will refrain from attacking Age, Race, Disability, Sexual Orientation, National Origin, Pregnancy, Gender or any other protected category under Federal or Maryland State law.

2.6 Users will not transmit or facilitate distribution of content that is harmful, abusive, racially or ethnically offensive, sexually explicit, defamatory, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, or in a reasonable person's view, objectionable. Hate speech is not tolerated at any time.

dday3six · May 2017

To address the OP.

If people are hostile toward anti-animation canceling opinions it would be in part due to the bold faced lies many tend to tell when presenting their case. On top of the general lack of understanding most of them have on the subject.

dday3six · May 2017

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Mjollo wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we arent in sports, this is just a game for relaxation and enjoyment, there is zero profit to be made and zero to gain in real life from doing well or not doing well in eso.
so my statement remains as sound Truth.

my statement:

1) animation cancelling is not a feature, it is an unintended ability that the devs don't know how to fix. although, with this next patch coming on the 22nd if you animation cancel with the resources the way the devs have them now set in the next patch then you will be very quickly out of resources.

2) there is no such thing as "top tier players", we are all just renting space and characters in this MMO, people are allowed to do as they wish with those characters.
at no time should you publicly consider and speak out about other players as "Top Tier" as you put it, or "Non Top Tier" or "Bad Players" just because you admire or do not admire how they play, it is not only insulting and embarrassing to other players, but it is also against the TOS.

Where in the TOS anywhere does it say it is against our free will to classify players based on our personal opinions?

Code of Conduct:
2.5 You may not harass, threaten, embarrass, or cause distress to another customer or guest using ZeniMax sites and Services. This includes but is not limited to verbal attacks, unwanted messaging, personal attacks, stalking or any other undesired behavior used to cause discomfort or disrupt another customer's experience. At all times users will refrain from attacking Age, Race, Disability, Sexual Orientation, National Origin, Pregnancy, Gender or any other protected category under Federal or Maryland State law.

2.6 Users will not transmit or facilitate distribution of content that is harmful, abusive, racially or ethnically offensive, sexually explicit, defamatory, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, or in a reasonable person's view, objectionable. Hate speech is not tolerated at any time.

You're taking incredible liberties there. You're also not the final arbiter in the interpretation of TOS. ZOS is, and you might want to keep that in mind when threatening people with your personal interpretations of ESO's TOS.

Gilvoth · May 2017

dday3six wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Mjollo wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we arent in sports, this is just a game for relaxation and enjoyment, there is zero profit to be made and zero to gain in real life from doing well or not doing well in eso.
so my statement remains as sound Truth.

my statement:

1) animation cancelling is not a feature, it is an unintended ability that the devs don't know how to fix. although, with this next patch coming on the 22nd if you animation cancel with the resources the way the devs have them now set in the next patch then you will be very quickly out of resources.

2) there is no such thing as "top tier players", we are all just renting space and characters in this MMO, people are allowed to do as they wish with those characters.
at no time should you publicly consider and speak out about other players as "Top Tier" as you put it, or "Non Top Tier" or "Bad Players" just because you admire or do not admire how they play, it is not only insulting and embarrassing to other players, but it is also against the TOS.

Where in the TOS anywhere does it say it is against our free will to classify players based on our personal opinions?

Code of Conduct:
2.5 You may not harass, threaten, embarrass, or cause distress to another customer or guest using ZeniMax sites and Services. This includes but is not limited to verbal attacks, unwanted messaging, personal attacks, stalking or any other undesired behavior used to cause discomfort or disrupt another customer's experience. At all times users will refrain from attacking Age, Race, Disability, Sexual Orientation, National Origin, Pregnancy, Gender or any other protected category under Federal or Maryland State law.

2.6 Users will not transmit or facilitate distribution of content that is harmful, abusive, racially or ethnically offensive, sexually explicit, defamatory, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, or in a reasonable person's view, objectionable. Hate speech is not tolerated at any time.

You're taking incredible liberties there. You're also not the final arbiter in the interpretation of TOS. ZOS is, and you might want to keep that in mind when threatening people with your personal interpretations of ESO's TOS.

at no time did i make any threat, nor do i claim i am the one who issues out sentences against others.

i was asked where in the TOS is it stated that insulting others by calling them out publicly in eso forums and also in eso common and zone chat for being lower shelf, weak players, trash, or any other name by targeting them in comparison to what in this thread is being referred to as "top tier" and making it clear that those people are NOT in that elite group and therefore are "bad".
so i listed where in the Terms Of Service that wording can be found.

Magdalina · May 2017

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Mjollo wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we arent in sports, this is just a game for relaxation and enjoyment, there is zero profit to be made and zero to gain in real life from doing well or not doing well in eso.
so my statement remains as sound Truth.

my statement:

1) animation cancelling is not a feature, it is an unintended ability that the devs don't know how to fix. although, with this next patch coming on the 22nd if you animation cancel with the resources the way the devs have them now set in the next patch then you will be very quickly out of resources.

2) there is no such thing as "top tier players", we are all just renting space and characters in this MMO, people are allowed to do as they wish with those characters.
at no time should you publicly consider and speak out about other players as "Top Tier" as you put it, or "Non Top Tier" or "Bad Players" just because you admire or do not admire how they play, it is not only insulting and embarrassing to other players, but it is also against the TOS.

Where in the TOS anywhere does it say it is against our free will to classify players based on our personal opinions?

Code of Conduct:
2.5 You may not harass, threaten, embarrass, or cause distress to another customer or guest using ZeniMax sites and Services. This includes but is not limited to verbal attacks, unwanted messaging, personal attacks, stalking or any other undesired behavior used to cause discomfort or disrupt another customer's experience. At all times users will refrain from attacking Age, Race, Disability, Sexual Orientation, National Origin, Pregnancy, Gender or any other protected category under Federal or Maryland State law.

2.6 Users will not transmit or facilitate distribution of content that is harmful, abusive, racially or ethnically offensive, sexually explicit, defamatory, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, or in a reasonable person's view, objectionable. Hate speech is not tolerated at any time.

Don't worry. No one here is going to cause you distress by calling you a top tier player, so you're fine.

dday3six · May 2017

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Mjollo wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we arent in sports, this is just a game for relaxation and enjoyment, there is zero profit to be made and zero to gain in real life from doing well or not doing well in eso.
so my statement remains as sound Truth.

my statement:

1) animation cancelling is not a feature, it is an unintended ability that the devs don't know how to fix. although, with this next patch coming on the 22nd if you animation cancel with the resources the way the devs have them now set in the next patch then you will be very quickly out of resources.

2) there is no such thing as "top tier players", we are all just renting space and characters in this MMO, people are allowed to do as they wish with those characters.
at no time should you publicly consider and speak out about other players as "Top Tier" as you put it, or "Non Top Tier" or "Bad Players" just because you admire or do not admire how they play, it is not only insulting and embarrassing to other players, but it is also against the TOS.

Where in the TOS anywhere does it say it is against our free will to classify players based on our personal opinions?

Code of Conduct:
2.5 You may not harass, threaten, embarrass, or cause distress to another customer or guest using ZeniMax sites and Services. This includes but is not limited to verbal attacks, unwanted messaging, personal attacks, stalking or any other undesired behavior used to cause discomfort or disrupt another customer's experience. At all times users will refrain from attacking Age, Race, Disability, Sexual Orientation, National Origin, Pregnancy, Gender or any other protected category under Federal or Maryland State law.

2.6 Users will not transmit or facilitate distribution of content that is harmful, abusive, racially or ethnically offensive, sexually explicit, defamatory, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, or in a reasonable person's view, objectionable. Hate speech is not tolerated at any time.

You're taking incredible liberties there. You're also not the final arbiter in the interpretation of TOS. ZOS is, and you might want to keep that in mind when threatening people with your personal interpretations of ESO's TOS.

at no time did i make any threat, nor do i claim i am the one who issues out sentences against others.

i was asked where in the TOS is it stated that insulting others by calling them out publicly in eso forums and also in eso common and zone chat for being lower shelf, weak players, trash, or any other name by targeting them in comparison to what in this thread is being referred to as "top tier" and making it clear that those people are NOT in that elite group and therefore are "bad".
so i listed where in the Terms Of Service that wording can be found.

Implying punitive action (i.e. "that's against tos") is a threat given the manner in which you're attempting to change the opinions and actions of others based on possible repercussions. I also called you out on your liberty of loose interpretation, not you ability to act on behalf of.

What you were asked was not pertaining to generally accepted harassment or offensive material, but about the categorization of players based on performance. A reasonable reading of the TOS parts you cited do not mention or in any way reference that. You are skipping the step of establishment that the mere act of categorizing players based on performance is harassing and offensive. You provided your belief that it is, but have not provided anything to demonstrate this is a widely held belief beyond yourself. In other words it is your personal opinion.

Members of ZOS themselves have made reference to a ceiling and a floor among players, which implies the existence tiered categories of players based on performance. Are you asserting that ZOS employees routinely engage in behavior that is harassing and offensive to players?

DjMuscleboy02 · May 2017

DoShazarr wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

CaptainBeerDude wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

I could write here a looong post, and respond about your every question. But I won't do it, for currect state, I got SIMPLE question for you.

What the hell is diffucult in putting light attacks between skills?

Lag. If it's a good day my ping is only 300.

My latency can shoot upwards of 1-2k during raids (the time we raid just happens to be a time when my internet royally *** itself everyday,) and you can still weave. I'll miss a light attack here and there, but that's more due to the terrible console frames than ping. Commands still go through, they just take longer. Practice more.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

SimeonTregarth wrote: »

animation cancelling, this as a "feature" ... all of the top tier players ...

1) animation cancelling is not a feature, it is an unintended ability that the devs don't know how to fix. although, with this next patch coming on the 22nd if you animation cancel with the resources the way the devs have them now set in the next patch then you will be very quickly out of resources.

2) there is no such thing as "top tier players", we are all just renting space and characters in this MMO, people are allowed to do as they wish with those characters.
at no time should you publicly consider and speak of other players as "Top Tier" as you put it, just because you admire how they play, it is not only insulting and embarrassing to other players, but it is also against the TOS.

How can you say there isn't top tier players? You're not serious right? Does that make NFL players not top tier because people can play American football how they wish and some people play for fun? Does it make Club Soccer (Football) players not top tier because other players do not wish to commit so much time? You're discrediting players who have practiced and actually risen to be some of the better players in the game. There are incredible PvE and PvP players that are top tier. "Top tier" is not an opinion. If someone consistently puts up leader board scores or is constantly crushing people in PvP and in duels then they are probably top tier. You may have a difference of opinion on exactly how good they are but they are "top tier" nonetheless.

See this is the problem right here LOL. It's nowhere near real sport and never will be. The whole world won't bow down before you because you can kill other players in pvp or do more dps in pvp lol. Everyone is so delusional. XD just keyboard warriors and mouse wizards thinking they're on par with top athletes LOL. yet most can't run 50 yards or throw a ball at all. Literally achieving nothing playing this game. If in 10 years ESO dies. What will you have left besides memories? Now what will this top tier NFL player have? How will you look, how much money will you have, how much fame will you have, what will be your personwlity and character? How many partners will you have? Etc. You'll still be the same as u r now. That NFL to tier player will have 1000x more because that's real work and dedication.

Then again I never even understood all the hype and excitement in watching sport and putting individuals above others in the first place. Every team is a team for a reason and no top tier athlete achieved his success and fame by himself. There's usually many people behind his or her success that are never mentioned.

Man I'm SO GLAD I left this elite gaming BS and stopped being a nerd. Now I see how stupid and cringy i must've looked for years.

You missed my point entirely. The fact is there are and always will be players who are better than a vast majority of others.

JiKama · May 2017

I'm not "elite" nor do I claim to be the "best". If I want to be successful and complete certain content I will do what I can to get an advantage.Animation cancelling helps allot and isn't to hard to do. I see so many players running Vet dungeons standing a mile back spamming snipe. I understand some people are playing to have fun. If I'm doing direfrost Vet hard mode and I'm burning through my dots and keeping buffs up throughout my rotation and seem to be doing Good DPS. While the other DPS sits back and only autos or spam snipe it's pretty sad. As said I'm normally chill when doing randoms. Hell I've had some amazing players join in randoms. I get confused at times when people are cp400 and don't have a rotation down pat. I could understand not knowing how to animation cancel. I think most players don't even have a rotation down.

Nyladreas · May 2017

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

DoShazarr wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

CaptainBeerDude wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

I could write here a looong post, and respond about your every question. But I won't do it, for currect state, I got SIMPLE question for you.

What the hell is diffucult in putting light attacks between skills?

Lag. If it's a good day my ping is only 300.

My latency can shoot upwards of 1-2k during raids (the time we raid just happens to be a time when my internet royally *** itself everyday,) and you can still weave. I'll miss a light attack here and there, but that's more due to the terrible console frames than ping. Commands still go through, they just take longer. Practice more.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

SimeonTregarth wrote: »

animation cancelling, this as a "feature" ... all of the top tier players ...

1) animation cancelling is not a feature, it is an unintended ability that the devs don't know how to fix. although, with this next patch coming on the 22nd if you animation cancel with the resources the way the devs have them now set in the next patch then you will be very quickly out of resources.

2) there is no such thing as "top tier players", we are all just renting space and characters in this MMO, people are allowed to do as they wish with those characters.
at no time should you publicly consider and speak of other players as "Top Tier" as you put it, just because you admire how they play, it is not only insulting and embarrassing to other players, but it is also against the TOS.

How can you say there isn't top tier players? You're not serious right? Does that make NFL players not top tier because people can play American football how they wish and some people play for fun? Does it make Club Soccer (Football) players not top tier because other players do not wish to commit so much time? You're discrediting players who have practiced and actually risen to be some of the better players in the game. There are incredible PvE and PvP players that are top tier. "Top tier" is not an opinion. If someone consistently puts up leader board scores or is constantly crushing people in PvP and in duels then they are probably top tier. You may have a difference of opinion on exactly how good they are but they are "top tier" nonetheless.

See this is the problem right here LOL. It's nowhere near real sport and never will be. The whole world won't bow down before you because you can kill other players in pvp or do more dps in pvp lol. Everyone is so delusional. XD just keyboard warriors and mouse wizards thinking they're on par with top athletes LOL. yet most can't run 50 yards or throw a ball at all. Literally achieving nothing playing this game. If in 10 years ESO dies. What will you have left besides memories? Now what will this top tier NFL player have? How will you look, how much money will you have, how much fame will you have, what will be your personwlity and character? How many partners will you have? Etc. You'll still be the same as u r now. That NFL to tier player will have 1000x more because that's real work and dedication.

Then again I never even understood all the hype and excitement in watching sport and putting individuals above others in the first place. Every team is a team for a reason and no top tier athlete achieved his success and fame by himself. There's usually many people behind his or her success that are never mentioned.

Man I'm SO GLAD I left this elite gaming BS and stopped being a nerd. Now I see how stupid and cringy i must've looked for years.

@DoShazarr , these people would beg to differ:

https://esportsearnings.com/tournaments

As If this wasn't widely known but how many people like this play here? 0.1% 1%? Really...

Are you all that delusional?

EDIT: removed most of the comment because I'm tired of arguing over pointless topic.

skwherl · May 2017

I've had someone complain to me that it was unfair using it because they couldn't. They said its the same as cheat engine...

Izaki · May 2017

Man... Some people on these forums really have no idea of what they are talking about. And then they expect the devs to take them seriously.

Nebthet78 · May 2017

me_ming wrote: »

DoShazarr wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

These threads are caused by people who reks these ''forum warriors'' . Doesn't matter how . Doing more DPS , better tanking , better healing , beating in duel ... And these people who got beaten in some way , learns how they got beaten and immediately start thinking like ''Wow , that guy is using cheats! I am sure if he wasn't using cheats , I would beat him!'' Where they complain ? Forums , of course . And as you know , lots of people are started to play ESO since Homestead because housing , roleplay etc. More new players > more people getting beaten by others > more forum threads .

What about the ''animation cancelling doesn't require skill'' discussion ^^ Only someone who doesn't know what animation cancelling is can say that . Timing light attacks perfectly for every skill requires practice , hours of practice . Most people doesn't even know what it is . They think you can cast multiple skills at once ^^ Forums are funny . Go to Youtube , watch couple videos on how to do animation cancelling . Learn it properly . I know what you are thinking . ''I know what it is already!'' No you don't . There are 7 animation cancelling with couple other non-important ones . Light cancel , Medium cancel , Heavy cancel , block cancel , swap cancel , roll cancel , bash cancel . Here you go . Why am I trying so hard to make you learn ? Not because I want you to do it . I just want you to know exactly what it is . If you are against it , you will be able to stop yourself from doing it without noticing . I am just trying to help you . If you are against something , you should know what you are against at perfectly . So you don't do it yourself . Here is a guide that is very detailed , fast and to the point . It doesn't cover all of those I said earlier but it covers most of it . It also comes with a very special and powerful cancel works very well in PvP !

Cheers and good luck .

Except I already really do know what it is, been using it for quite a while and don't think it's anything special whatsoever.

Also you ignored a huge chunk of my initial post as I said i don't care and won't care but lots of people are physically unable to do so, yet you keep saying they're just notbthat good. *sadface*

What I don't understand from your post is that, so what if other people have a disability? I am not trying to be inconsiderate, but it is a feature of the game. I'm sorry that other people can't physically do it. But I've seen blind artists who have painted wonderful paintings. I can't understand why someone with a disability can't do the same in this game, if they really want to improve or do more. If not, they can still play the game and not animation cancel-- what's the problem there?

If I was disabled, the last thing I would want is to be treated specially because I have a disability, I want life to move on as is.

The problem is that due to the extra dps animation cancelling allows, we end up with heavy nerf due to end game elites getting 40k+ dps, which greatly hurt those players whom are unable to AC due to disability or other reasons. And because ZOS can't fix AC, the "balance" nerfs are made against our skills and CP. In the end, instead of players actually progressing in a game like they're suppose to, that progress is taken away again and again and again. It's beginning to *** players off!!!!

Juhasow · May 2017

alexkdd99 wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

This game have many aspects that developers should really focus on fixing and improving yet many people want to change something that is one of the things making this game unique and also works totally fine ?

Lets focus on real issues not create fake ones.

A bug works totally fine? Because that is what it is. At this point i don't care one way or another, but let's not act like this was implemented intentionally.

Making this game unique? By cutting out animations? By that same token they could cut out all bosses from the game, it would be unique. Unique /= good. A sandwich made out of *** would be unique, but not good.

How is a bug a fake issue, just because they choose not to fix it or don't know how to doesn't make it any less of a bug.

Those who like to animation cancel and fight new players in cyrodil is the only reason I would like to see it gone. You keep doing that and it will only drive people away from the game.

I understand veteran players should have an advantage over newer players , but at some point that advantage can become to big.

Well I think at this point 3 years after releasing game and after few improvments to AC mechanic calling it a bug is little late. Bug is something unintentional that developer focus on fixing not embrace and improve. It's unintentional mechanic that becamed feature.

Yes cutting out animations and weaving light attacks between making this game unique. Use any fancy and off topic comparisions as You want but that's the fact You cant find similar mechanic anywhere else. In this certain case that uniqueness is good.

Like I said calling it a bug is late and exaggerated. You do realize that things like skins ,rocket jumping , combos ,difficulty levels , wall jumping , police chases in GTA , creepers in minecraft , enchanting weapons in Diablo ,respecs , fast travel , FPS counter and many many other things was at the beggining bugs , cheats or exploits. Can You call atleast one of that things bug , cheat or exploit right now ? If developer embrace something and call it a feature even if that was unintentional that becomes a feature no matter what Your opinion is.

So Your problem is that players who spended more time in game learning mechanics (AC is mechanic) have "to big" adventage over newbies. Well welcome in real wolrd where skill and practice matters and belive me that newbies dont die because they dont know how to animation cancell. They die because they dont know how skills and base game mechanics works .

I maded a test once and was duelling with few players from my guild that was playing few months. I was even fighting naked with one of them with 0 CP of course. I was not animation cancelling yet i beated them all without a sweat. Animation cancelling gives adventage but not so big as You try to convince everyone. If You dont know and dont understand Your build and base game mechanics animation canceling wont help You.

Jollygoodusername · May 2017

"Like I said calling it a bug is late and exaggerated."

I'm sorry but it's never to late to solve a bug, though it's best to focus on severity, better late than never. This game is, as i've said before, in cash grab cruise control. Most MMO's do this, at least the ones that aren't as involved in their community, they've built the house, paid the contractors/developers and now it's sold, time to collect interest for the next 2 decades if possible >_<

ColoursYouHave · May 2017

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Mjollo wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we arent in sports, this is just a game for relaxation and enjoyment, there is zero profit to be made and zero to gain in real life from doing well or not doing well in eso.
so my statement remains as sound Truth.

my statement:

1) animation cancelling is not a feature, it is an unintended ability that the devs don't know how to fix. although, with this next patch coming on the 22nd if you animation cancel with the resources the way the devs have them now set in the next patch then you will be very quickly out of resources.

2) there is no such thing as "top tier players", we are all just renting space and characters in this MMO, people are allowed to do as they wish with those characters.
at no time should you publicly consider and speak out about other players as "Top Tier" as you put it, or "Non Top Tier" or "Bad Players" just because you admire or do not admire how they play, it is not only insulting and embarrassing to other players, but it is also against the TOS.

Where in the TOS anywhere does it say it is against our free will to classify players based on our personal opinions?

Code of Conduct:
2.5 You may not harass, threaten, embarrass, or cause distress to another customer or guest using ZeniMax sites and Services. This includes but is not limited to verbal attacks, unwanted messaging, personal attacks, stalking or any other undesired behavior used to cause discomfort or disrupt another customer's experience. At all times users will refrain from attacking Age, Race, Disability, Sexual Orientation, National Origin, Pregnancy, Gender or any other protected category under Federal or Maryland State law.

2.6 Users will not transmit or facilitate distribution of content that is harmful, abusive, racially or ethnically offensive, sexually explicit, defamatory, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, or in a reasonable person's view, objectionable. Hate speech is not tolerated at any time.

You're taking incredible liberties there. You're also not the final arbiter in the interpretation of TOS. ZOS is, and you might want to keep that in mind when threatening people with your personal interpretations of ESO's TOS.

at no time did i make any threat, nor do i claim i am the one who issues out sentences against others.

i was asked where in the TOS is it stated that insulting others by calling them out publicly in eso forums and also in eso common and zone chat for being lower shelf, weak players, trash, or any other name by targeting them in comparison to what in this thread is being referred to as "top tier" and making it clear that those people are NOT in that elite group and therefore are "bad".
so i listed where in the Terms Of Service that wording can be found.

I don't know that I've ever seen such a ridiculous statement. So by saying somebody is "top tier" you're insulting everybody else? Would that mean that complimenting another player would be against the TOS too since it would mean that other players are worse than them? You bolded out part of the TOS that you quoted, "or in a reasonable person's view, objectionable", but missed the fact that being insulted by other players being considered highly skilled is certainly not the view of a reasonable person.

Also, saying that somebody isn't top tier doesn't mean you are calling them bad. As it turns out, skill is not binary, and there is an entire gradient of skill levels between top tier and bad.

me_ming · May 2017

Nebthet78 wrote: »

me_ming wrote: »

DoShazarr wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

These threads are caused by people who reks these ''forum warriors'' . Doesn't matter how . Doing more DPS , better tanking , better healing , beating in duel ... And these people who got beaten in some way , learns how they got beaten and immediately start thinking like ''Wow , that guy is using cheats! I am sure if he wasn't using cheats , I would beat him!'' Where they complain ? Forums , of course . And as you know , lots of people are started to play ESO since Homestead because housing , roleplay etc. More new players > more people getting beaten by others > more forum threads .

What about the ''animation cancelling doesn't require skill'' discussion ^^ Only someone who doesn't know what animation cancelling is can say that . Timing light attacks perfectly for every skill requires practice , hours of practice . Most people doesn't even know what it is . They think you can cast multiple skills at once ^^ Forums are funny . Go to Youtube , watch couple videos on how to do animation cancelling . Learn it properly . I know what you are thinking . ''I know what it is already!'' No you don't . There are 7 animation cancelling with couple other non-important ones . Light cancel , Medium cancel , Heavy cancel , block cancel , swap cancel , roll cancel , bash cancel . Here you go . Why am I trying so hard to make you learn ? Not because I want you to do it . I just want you to know exactly what it is . If you are against it , you will be able to stop yourself from doing it without noticing . I am just trying to help you . If you are against something , you should know what you are against at perfectly . So you don't do it yourself . Here is a guide that is very detailed , fast and to the point . It doesn't cover all of those I said earlier but it covers most of it . It also comes with a very special and powerful cancel works very well in PvP !

Cheers and good luck .

Except I already really do know what it is, been using it for quite a while and don't think it's anything special whatsoever.

Also you ignored a huge chunk of my initial post as I said i don't care and won't care but lots of people are physically unable to do so, yet you keep saying they're just notbthat good. *sadface*

What I don't understand from your post is that, so what if other people have a disability? I am not trying to be inconsiderate, but it is a feature of the game. I'm sorry that other people can't physically do it. But I've seen blind artists who have painted wonderful paintings. I can't understand why someone with a disability can't do the same in this game, if they really want to improve or do more. If not, they can still play the game and not animation cancel-- what's the problem there?

If I was disabled, the last thing I would want is to be treated specially because I have a disability, I want life to move on as is.

The problem is that due to the extra dps animation cancelling allows, we end up with heavy nerf due to end game elites getting 40k+ dps, which greatly hurt those players whom are unable to AC due to disability or other reasons. And because ZOS can't fix AC, the "balance" nerfs are made against our skills and CP. In the end, instead of players actually progressing in a game like they're suppose to, that progress is taken away again and again and again. It's beginning to *** players off!!!!

Yeah, I get your point, without knowing or being able to do AC there is a significant difference between players. But, and an "elite" player once joined one of my trial guilds' vMoL training/progression run, and she said that it is not necessary for a raid to have insane amount of DPS to complete vMoL (HM maybe). She said, if everyone knows what they are doing, and if every DPS can pull 30k dps, then a group can complete it. I only play in PC (NA) so I do not know how other platforms are, but there are a lot of trial guilds who aren't elitist, or will allow a dps with 25k single target DPS parse, I think that is very doable, AC or not. I am in one. And even before, people think that these elitists are such snobs, that they do not entertain casuals or mediocre people, while maybe it holds true to some, a lot of these so-called "elites" are really friendly. I remember back when SO was still the only trial that was scaled to like v14, we pugged one of the best MagDKs in game, and we didn't even realize he was from one of the best trial guilds in PC/NA. He basically just replied to our GM's ad in Orsinium zone chat. We were still progressing through SO then, and had not yet completed it. Back then there was a limit to your deaths, or else you reset the whole trial. We didn't complete it the first time, and he insisted that we complete it. he really boosted our morale that someone of his caliber thought we could finish it. And we did the second time around. My first complete with vDSA was also with two elites that were nice and patient enough to help me and the tank to complete it.

I suppose my point is as much as it's unfortunate someone cannot do AC because of his/her disability or whatnot, it doesn't mean he/she can't try to improve. Like I said, I've seen blind painters who made amazing artwork. There are things in life that won't always play to our advantage, and we have two choices, we let our disability hinder us from becoming great or we overcome that disability by proving to ourselves we can do it anyway. AC is good for the game, imho. It really is, it doesn't make the game feel sluggish and boring. I am still up to this day learning it. I mean, I have 350+ ping 90% of the time, so yeah, AC isn't really something I will ever be good at, and yet I still try to do it everytime. I don't think it has ever been an issue with anyone, but to those people who are threatened by it.

Juhasow · May 2017

Jollygoodusername wrote: »

"Like I said calling it a bug is late and exaggerated."

I'm sorry but it's never to late to solve a bug, though it's best to focus on severity, better late than never. This game is, as i've said before, in cash grab cruise control. Most MMO's do this, at least the ones that aren't as involved in their community, they've built the house, paid the contractors/developers and now it's sold, time to collect interest for the next 2 decades if possible >_<

If developer embrace that bug shortly after it's revealed and calling it feature then telling it's a bug 3 years later is late and exaggerated. It's part of game mechanic now. Accept that.

Grabmoore · May 2017

Sharee wrote: »

My issue with animation cancelling is macros that do it for the player. That's cheating, plain and simple, but there is no way to stop it because technically a player could be able to perform a flawless animation cancel every-single-effin-time, with millisecond-precise timing 24/7, regardless of pressure/tired/distracted/etc/etc (it's just not very likely).

Guess what, 99% of the time you are accusing someone to cheat or use macros, they are actually not!

Macros do NOT work properly in a laggy environment, nor do they in a dynamic situation.

ZOS does too little against CE users and even did unbanned known abusers on PC EU, no matter what their streamer friends said. However you are fooling yourself, if you believe Macroing is a common habit.

No, I don't use this stuff. I just observe and test instead of whining at the forums.

Instant · May 2017

Dorrino wrote: »

1. LA/HA cooldown. Prevents other LA/HA to fire for 1sec. Does not prevent other abilities and blocks/dodges/bashes.
2. Abilities cooldown. Prevents other abilities and LA/HA to fire for 1 sec. Does not prevent blocks/dodges/bashes.
3. Bash cooldown. Prevents LA/HA, abilities and other bashes to fire for 0.5sec. Does not prevent blocks and dodges.
4. Dodge cooldown. Prevents anything to fire for 1 sec.
5. Weapon swap cooldown. Prevents anything to fire for 0.5 sec.

Just to let you know you got some numbers wrong:

1. Depends on weapon type: Destro is 700ms, 2H 950ms, ...
2. 1 sec is the minimum. Channeled abilities or abilities with a cast time have a longer cooldown. Dark Flare for example has a 1400ms cooldown. Cancelling a channel or an ability with a cast time gives you a 200ms global cooldown.
3. Bash cooldown is 700ms.
5. Weapon swap cooldown only prevents LA/HA to be fired.

Nyladreas · May 2017

Grabmoore wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

My issue with animation cancelling is macros that do it for the player. That's cheating, plain and simple, but there is no way to stop it because technically a player could be able to perform a flawless animation cancel every-single-effin-time, with millisecond-precise timing 24/7, regardless of pressure/tired/distracted/etc/etc (it's just not very likely).

Guess what, 99% of the time you are accusing someone to cheat or use macros, they are actually not!

Macros do NOT work properly in a laggy environment, nor do they in a dynamic situation.

ZOS does too little against CE users and even did unbanned known abusers on PC EU, no matter what their streamer friends said. However you are fooling yourself, if you believe Macroing is a common habit.

No, I don't use this stuff. I just observe and test instead of whining at the forums.

You are wrong, I tried using macros myself as a friend of mine owns A4Tech Mouse and Keyboard with inbuild macro engine in the hardware's memory. That *** is insnely reliable and strong if built and executed right. He's able to 1 shot Tanks in PvP. Doesn't matter what situation you are in as long as you keep the macros simple.

Not to mention as an off-topic that A4Tech mouses are widely notorious for having a headshot tracker + 0 recoil in FPS games if set up right. All these macros and stuff are stored IN THE MEMORY of the hardware making it completely undetectable. Lots of people get banned on all sorts of games because of these, but every single time it requires A LOT OF EFFORT to discover. Look it up, it's all over steam and even wow forums.

You either have no idea what you're talking about or (more likely) you're just acting stupid.

And that's the problem right there. Everyone will also have a perfect excuse and pretend like it's not their thing but don't worry there are those of us who have tried it but don't like it, won't like it and will never use it even though we could and don't mind exposing the rest. Once again, knowing how to execute macros and how to animation cancel doesn't make you a chosen englightened individual. Something a lot of keyboard warriors think.

I know exactly how to put 6 attacks into 1-2 second window but I'd never use it to ruin the fun for others. I will never understand how people enjoy being stronger than others with 0 real effort.

Nyladreas · May 2017

DoShazarr wrote: »

Grabmoore wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

My issue with animation cancelling is macros that do it for the player. That's cheating, plain and simple, but there is no way to stop it because technically a player could be able to perform a flawless animation cancel every-single-effin-time, with millisecond-precise timing 24/7, regardless of pressure/tired/distracted/etc/etc (it's just not very likely).

Guess what, 99% of the time you are accusing someone to cheat or use macros, they are actually not!

Macros do NOT work properly in a laggy environment, nor do they in a dynamic situation.

ZOS does too little against CE users and even did unbanned known abusers on PC EU, no matter what their streamer friends said. However you are fooling yourself, if you believe Macroing is a common habit.

No, I don't use this stuff. I just observe and test instead of whining at the forums.

You are wrong, I tried using macros myself as a friend of mine owns A4Tech Mouse and Keyboard with inbuild macro engine in the hardware's memory. That *** is insnely reliable and strong if built and executed right. He's able to 1 shot Tanks in PvP. Doesn't matter what situation you are in as long as you keep the macros simple.

Not to mention as an off-topic that A4Tech mouses are widely notorious for having a headshot tracker + 0 recoil in FPS games if set up right. All these macros and stuff are stored IN THE MEMORY of the hardware making it completely undetectable. Lots of people get banned on all sorts of games because of these, but every single time it requires A LOT OF EFFORT to discover. Look it up, it's all over steam and even wow forums.

You either have no idea what you're talking about or (more likely) you're just acting stupid.

And that's the problem right there. Everyone will also have a perfect excuse and pretend like it's not their thing but don't worry there are those of us who have tried it but don't like it, won't like it and will never use it even though we could and don't mind exposing the rest. Once again, knowing how to execute macros and how to animation cancel doesn't make you a chosen englightened individual. Something a lot of keyboard warriors think.

I know exactly how to put 6 attacks into 1-2 second window but I'd never use it to ruin the fun for others. I will never understand how people enjoy being stronger than others with 0 real effort.

There's also a voice command macro software that you can use LEGALLY. just FYI. Also forgot to mention that latency actually plays next to no role in this as the only thing stopped by it are visual cues, your input is still the same, just happens later in a sequence.

Jollygoodusername · May 2017

Juhasow wrote: »

Jollygoodusername wrote: »

"Like I said calling it a bug is late and exaggerated."

I'm sorry but it's never to late to solve a bug, though it's best to focus on severity, better late than never. This game is, as i've said before, in cash grab cruise control. Most MMO's do this, at least the ones that aren't as involved in their community, they've built the house, paid the contractors/developers and now it's sold, time to collect interest for the next 2 decades if possible >_<

If developer embrace that bug shortly after it's revealed and calling it feature then telling it's a bug 3 years later is late and exaggerated. It's part of game mechanic now. Accept that.

Failing to fix the pathing, falling through the map and walls constantly for the last 3 years, hell they embraced it, so this too is a mechanic we should all get used to? Get used to the locked dialog interaction bug and all the others from 3 years ago, still being reported in the bug forum.

No thanks! Better to fix them all as soon as possible, better late than never.

kuro-dono · May 2017

Liofa wrote: »

These threads are caused by people who reks these ''forum warriors'' . Doesn't matter how . Doing more DPS , better tanking , better healing , beating in duel ... And these people who got beaten in some way , learns how they got beaten and immediately start thinking like ''Wow , that guy is using cheats! I am sure if he wasn't using cheats , I would beat him!'' Where they complain ? Forums , of course . And as you know , lots of people are started to play ESO since Homestead because housing , roleplay etc. More new players > more people getting beaten by others > more forum threads .

What about the ''animation cancelling doesn't require skill'' discussion ^^ Only someone who doesn't know what animation cancelling is can say that . Timing light attacks perfectly for every skill requires practice , hours of practice . Most people doesn't even know what it is . They think you can cast multiple skills at once ^^ Forums are funny . Go to Youtube , watch couple videos on how to do animation cancelling . Learn it properly . I know what you are thinking . ''I know what it is already!'' No you don't . There are 7 animation cancelling with couple other non-important ones . Light cancel , Medium cancel , Heavy cancel , block cancel , swap cancel , roll cancel , bash cancel . Here you go . Why am I trying so hard to make you learn ? Not because I want you to do it . I just want you to know exactly what it is . If you are against it , you will be able to stop yourself from doing it without noticing . I am just trying to help you . If you are against something , you should know what you are against at perfectly . So you don't do it yourself . Here is a guide that is very detailed , fast and to the point . It doesn't cover all of those I said earlier but it covers most of it . It also comes with a very special and powerful cancel works very well in PvP !

Cheers and good luck .

erm... so... some topics here also state that it takes max 5min to learn animation cancel? is that same as mastering it?
bunch of nonsense as what can be expected from forum warrior.

acw37162 · May 2017

Because people absolutely hate other people having any type of competitive advantage and if they can't do the same as better then they want the rules changed.

Animation canceling in this game is not "bad" at all at this point. There is not some convulsed set rules that says what can clip and what can't.

You can shorten or clip light or heavy attacks with and ability.

You can shorten or clip almost anything with a bar swap.

Even then the developers cleaned up the animations so almost all animations have a visible part to them. There is no longer anything completely hidden.

Nyladreas · May 2017

acw37162 wrote: »

Because people absolutely hate other people having any type of competitive advantage and if they can't do the same as better then they want the rules changed.

Animation canceling in this game is not "bad" at all at this point. There is not some convulsed set rules that says what can clip and what can't.

You can shorten or clip light or heavy attacks with and ability.

You can shorten or clip almost anything with a bar swap.

Even then the developers cleaned up the animations so almost all animations have a visible part to them. There is no longer anything completely hidden.

That's not even the point, I AC and i do it well. What gets me is that how it can still be abused so easily.

LtCrunch · May 2017

I'm of the opinion that if ZOS is going to leave it in the game then they need to actually treat it like a game mechanic. Ideally this would also include a combat animations overhaul to make it function more like a fighting game where the animation cancelling is implemented intelligently and competently. Not like what we have now, which comes off as sloppy, amateurish and lazy. An overhaul like that is probably never going to happen though, since it's not a "back of the box" type thing. At the least the devs should make new players aware of the "mechanic" so they can start to learn the skill and hone it from the beginning, rather than leave it how it is now.

dday3six · May 2017

DoShazarr wrote: »

Grabmoore wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

My issue with animation cancelling is macros that do it for the player. That's cheating, plain and simple, but there is no way to stop it because technically a player could be able to perform a flawless animation cancel every-single-effin-time, with millisecond-precise timing 24/7, regardless of pressure/tired/distracted/etc/etc (it's just not very likely).

Guess what, 99% of the time you are accusing someone to cheat or use macros, they are actually not!

Macros do NOT work properly in a laggy environment, nor do they in a dynamic situation.

ZOS does too little against CE users and even did unbanned known abusers on PC EU, no matter what their streamer friends said. However you are fooling yourself, if you believe Macroing is a common habit.

No, I don't use this stuff. I just observe and test instead of whining at the forums.

You are wrong, I tried using macros myself as a friend of mine owns A4Tech Mouse and Keyboard with inbuild macro engine in the hardware's memory. That *** is insnely reliable and strong if built and executed right. He's able to 1 shot Tanks in PvP. Doesn't matter what situation you are in as long as you keep the macros simple.

Not to mention as an off-topic that A4Tech mouses are widely notorious for having a headshot tracker + 0 recoil in FPS games if set up right. All these macros and stuff are stored IN THE MEMORY of the hardware making it completely undetectable. Lots of people get banned on all sorts of games because of these, but every single time it requires A LOT OF EFFORT to discover. Look it up, it's all over steam and even wow forums.

You either have no idea what you're talking about or (more likely) you're just acting stupid.

And that's the problem right there. Everyone will also have a perfect excuse and pretend like it's not their thing but don't worry there are those of us who have tried it but don't like it, won't like it and will never use it even though we could and don't mind exposing the rest. Once again, knowing how to execute macros and how to animation cancel doesn't make you a chosen englightened individual. Something a lot of keyboard warriors think.

I know exactly how to put 6 attacks into 1-2 second window but I'd never use it to ruin the fun for others. I will never understand how people enjoy being stronger than others with 0 real effort.

That's the problem right there. You're lying and misrepresenting. Sure you can stack something like Poison Injection/Snipe and Heavy Attack to hit at the same time because of travel time. At a great enough distance a gap closer can be used to hit at roughly the same time as those other two, but HA needs to be charged up and that time counts too. You are not however getting 6 attacks in 1s, and 6 in 2s is just light attack-instant skill-bash x2.

All skills have a default 0.9s global cooldown. Marcos cannot by pass.