On May 22, our bank space will double.

BuddyAces · May 2017

Jamascus wrote: »

Gothlander wrote: »

Are there any other perks coming for subscribers?

When the housing patch went live people asked why inventory space wasn't included with a house, which is largely the reason a lot of players would even consider a house. ESO stated that they checked and most people had not unlocked all the inventory space on their characters so they thought we didn't need it. The players then explained they had not unlocked it because it was too much of a gold sink. ZOS response was to add it to the ESO+ perks, a pure cash grab and cynical to it's core. ZOS really doesn't understand how to run an MMO, they monetize everything which alienates the players and is detrimental to overall game health.

Adding bank space is not greedy. I'll be the first to jump on ZOS's ass when they do stupid *** but this is definitely not one of those times.

They are not taking anything away from you. It's bag space ffs.

BuddyAces · May 2017

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Lets all remember that last time ZOS increased bank space and bag space for every player in game (for gold payment of course) was almos [/b]two years ago[/b].

Yes almost a two years, nearly 20 months ago, 6 DLC's ago or whatanaot.

And in meanwhile we got hundreds and thousands of new items/equipment/furniture items with no means to effectively store them.

Increasing bank space just for subbers is not the way to go. Craft bag is not solution. "Solving" a long standing quality of life issue with a remedy locked behind a paywall is not a real solution.

Have folks I know who are subbed because of crafting bags. Good idea by ZOS.

kargen27 · May 2017

The added bank space will let me delete two mules and use them for Warden if I want. I might keep them though because I have plenty of crowns from subscribing and nothing really to spend them on. Two more character slots might not be a bad thing and keep my mules.

Jollygoodusername · May 2017

Pay to Hoard.

It's working for Marvel Heroes, so why not?

Korah_Eaglecry · May 2017

Transairion wrote: »

It's a shame I'm not a "valuable enough customer" for Zenimax to give me any additional bag or bank space, Crown Store or otherwise.

Max Bank Space, Max Bag Space, Max Horse Space.... still 3/4 of my storage is crafting materials, and I only keep the rarer tiers of materials now... stockpile the actual materials I need to craft basic things, where am I going to store those? Crazy!

More space for the rest of the playerbase would be nice, but "muh monies" I guess. The complaints about lack of space from future subs will seem even more hilarious in comparison though, crafting bag + nearly 500 Bank slots will never be enough for some people.

Translation: Its a shame that ZOS wont give me free things. I want to pay whenever I feel like, if at all and still net the same benefits as those who pay regularly.

disintegr8 · May 2017

kargen27 wrote: »

The added bank space will let me delete two mules and use them for Warden if I want. I might keep them though because I have plenty of crowns from subscribing and nothing really to spend them on. Two more character slots might not be a bad thing and keep my mules.

I'm with you - I have 2 mules currently on my main account which I could free up but with crowns from subbing that I have no other use for, buying the extra slots is not a real issue.

I also know that the extra slots will fill up pretty quickly because once a hoarder always a hoarder

ArchMikem · May 2017

YOUR, bank space will double..

Nyladreas · May 2017

Kneighbors wrote: »

DoShazarr wrote: »

Don't forget that sub comes with 1500 crowns as well. $13 for craftbag, extra bankspace, and full value of the real money returned in crowns? Hell yeah!

Since I've always been a sub this is nice to know.

And i mean c'mon it's just $13. Lol. Just do something small for a neighbour if 13 really is too much for you.

13$ per month is not too much for me, but it's way too much for ESO in its current state.

If you are looking for good value, for 10$ single payment you can get 8 mule slots with huge amount of bag space, bank space, 5 trading guilds slots and much much more.

In any case, when you buy something you need to think "is this thing worth it?" and not "is it much for me?". Yea, 13$ per month for that game is around 1300% more than its correct value. One buck a months for a broken group finder is pretty much an OK deal.

Alright, what else would you want then? Make a suggestion

brandonv516 · May 2017

Jim buys $200 worth of crown crates each year. He does not subscribe to ESO+.

Susan subscribes to ESO+ and uses her 18,000 free crowns to buy crown crates. She does not spend any extra money on the game.

Who is the smarter customer?
Who is the more valuable customer?

Answer: It doesn't really matter. Only one of them gets the bonuses...

smackysmacks · May 2017

The whole bag/bank space really becomes a thing once you have multiple character slots filled with characters and you have a few different styles of play. The game is totally gear dependent and just one character can potentially have a number of sets stored for different types of play. It is a total mess having all these sets in that characters personal inventory. It's even worse throwing them into the shared bank with my other characters gear. Basically the system doesn't scale well.

In my opinion the game needs some kind of individual bank for each character perhaps by way of a housing item allowing storage of armor and weapons in addition to the current system. You either have to buy it from the crown store or have it a part of the eso+ sub so ZOS can make the mad $$. I'd love to be able to farm and play around with more sets but it's at the point for me I don't play with new builds as much as I would as it's just a nightmare to manage the gear.

I seriously have both eso+ and a second mule trader account! I have the space it's just the management of it and mailing stuff as the workaround is so messy for a mmo in 2017. I have this massive inventory problem and this big empty useless house. Doubling my bank space isn't going to fix it. It's just going to get even messier. It's the most gorgeous game but has some really poor areas that seem like a totally bad game thrown in with it. A conjoined evil twin that I see every time I open my inventory.

Jamascus · May 2017

scorpiodog wrote: »

Jamascus wrote: »

I already have double the bank space. I opened a 2nd account for $10 and cancelled my sub.

Been there done that. It's the biggest pain in the world to completely Exit out of ESO just to get a few items, re-log to the other account, find what you need maybe looking in multiple alts, exit ESO again - re-log to the other account (and hope you don't have to get a verification from your email because the program gets confused) Then log back in to you main character.

So yeah - 10 minutes every time you just want to fetch an item. But at least you're saving money, lol.

I understand, it hasn't been a problem yet and I've named my mules "Provisioning Storage", "alchemy storage" etc so it hasn't been too bad, yet.

method__01 · May 2017

best news i've heard since homestead,i have maxed out the bank plus 5 mules

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Bouldercleave · May 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

So they started off with little bank space, added thousands of items and put more space behind a pay wall?

And you guys say that ZoS is stupid....

I think that is a pretty darn good business strategy.

Lynx7386 · May 2017

Bank space will double, so you'll now have room for all of those dps sets that are no longer worth equipping because you cant sustain with them.

Fingolfinn01 · May 2017

back on op's thread

What other perks for subs?

Transmog, now that would increase subs, and its a cosmetic function too.

Transmog incoming for subbers, I hope

aLi3nZ · May 2017

I am very happy about this. I currently have 3 toons that I sometimes have to switch between to collect the set peices I am hoarding. I like to experiment with theory crafting a lot to try find good builds for different situations so I tend to collect a lot. Also great to have this gear sitting around when massive changes happen like morrowind. Happy to have the alteration mastery set peices sitting their for 6% cost reduction on all abilities. Sure seducer might be better but you can't get seducer rings and necklace so it can't be as easily mixed with another 5 peice set

dem0n1k · May 2017

Very happy bout the double bank space! Inventory management is so tedious it turns me off playing. Making decisions to cull good-trait BoP gear is hard man! ;p

I would still very much like to see some sort of storage associated with housing.. like mannequins that you can store complete armour & weapon sets on (jewelry too would be nice).

Bouldercleave · May 2017

brandonv516 wrote: »

On May 22nd...

My ESO+ subscription runs out and will not be reloaded. True story.

That'll show them! LOL

brandonv516 · May 2017

Bouldercleave wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

On May 22nd...

My ESO+ subscription runs out and will not be reloaded. True story.

That'll show them! LOL

Was actually just coincidental. I'm on console anyway so June 6th for me.

disintegr8 · May 2017

scorpiodog wrote: »

Jamascus wrote: »

I already have double the bank space. I opened a 2nd account for $10 and cancelled my sub.

Been there done that. It's the biggest pain in the world to completely Exit out of ESO just to get a few items, re-log to the other account, find what you need maybe looking in multiple alts, exit ESO again - re-log to the other account (and hope you don't have to get a verification from your email because the program gets confused) Then log back in to you main character.

So yeah - 10 minutes every time you just want to fetch an item. But at least you're saving money, lol.

My second ESO account has 8 characters full of nothing but recipes and motifs that I am either keeping in case I want them one day or they are worth selling one day. I would not be storing anything in this account that I may need at short notice. This cost me nothing to set up and might only get logged onto once a month.

It is also a very handy mailbox. If my inventory and bank is full and I do not want to stop and clear it, I simply mail excess items to the second account knowing it will come back to me in 30 days or I can log in and return it any time.

The 2 mules on my normal account hold things I may want to get at quickly. One of them holds armour and weapons that I want to hold on to and the other holds jewelry and any other day to day stuff I might sell off - stacks of soul gems, psijic recipe pieces, basic motifs, etc.

kargen27 · May 2017

disintegr8 wrote: »

scorpiodog wrote: »

Jamascus wrote: »

I already have double the bank space. I opened a 2nd account for $10 and cancelled my sub.

Been there done that. It's the biggest pain in the world to completely Exit out of ESO just to get a few items, re-log to the other account, find what you need maybe looking in multiple alts, exit ESO again - re-log to the other account (and hope you don't have to get a verification from your email because the program gets confused) Then log back in to you main character.

So yeah - 10 minutes every time you just want to fetch an item. But at least you're saving money, lol.

My second ESO account has 8 characters full of nothing but recipes and motifs that I am either keeping in case I want them one day or they are worth selling one day. I would not be storing anything in this account that I may need at short notice. This cost me nothing to set up and might only get logged onto once a month.

It is also a very handy mailbox. If my inventory and bank is full and I do not want to stop and clear it, I simply mail excess items to the second account knowing it will come back to me in 30 days or I can log in and return it any time.

The 2 mules on my normal account hold things I may want to get at quickly. One of them holds armour and weapons that I want to hold on to and the other holds jewelry and any other day to day stuff I might sell off - stacks of soul gems, psijic recipe pieces, basic motifs, etc.

I have a 2nd account that usually just gets ignored. I decided to check and see what I had over there a couple of days ago. One of my characters had over 100 rings in his inventory. I started hoarding rings almost immediately after agreeing to help a guild mate farm for jewelry and he was farming what I had the day before sold to vendor. My 2nd account is for worthless stuff that might some day not be worthless. I did send a bunch of motifs to the 2nd account during the last event hoping some day the price goes back up.

Betsararie · May 2017

I like this game a lot but I think it's one thing we can agree on this game has a stupidly low amount of bag space.

Stupidly low.

It's so idiotic. ZOS's goal is to have as many people playing for as long as possible, and spending as much IRL bucks as possible so how exactly will giving a stupidly low amount of bag space help achieve that goal? It won't!

It doesn't help you achieve your objective ZOS it's just dumb and makes people angry. Frustrating your customers is a terrible idea.

Add storage to housing today. End this nonsense.

Zamboo4u · May 2017

Double bank space will be awsome! What I would love to see is a way to organise the items into sets so they are easier to find. Some sets work alphabetically like the burning spellweave set but others are called hat of this or boots of that. With a bank full of random set pieces it's hard to find them sometimes.

Galwylin · May 2017

ZeroZero77 wrote: »

Galwylin wrote: »

...I found I can totally live without the bag. Bank space isn't currently an issue ....

This Depends strong on three things
1: Can you live with half full Inventorys of the chars you really play
2: How many Chars du you really play
3: How much Craft you

Finally you can play 2 Chars of a 8 Char account without problems.
You are only forced to sell items, partially by a low Price

Completely. I can guess what's going to happen when this goes live. People will have twice as much junk as they do now so they'll still have inventory issues. We all could live with half what we have now (and I don't have all my slots unlocked) but we keep holding on to things for some reason. I have three or four characters holding treasure maps plus those in the bank. Why? Because I'm too lazy to use them and I don't want to get rid of them. I have the space so why not. Its not some games where you have to store your 'costumes' somewhere. Like in EQ2 before they made the wardrobe slots. You had to hold on the actual piece of gear if you ever thought you might want to use it for appearance. That cleared up a lot of space for folks. And guess how much it costs you. A one time fee of $10 (I think, its cheaper than subscribing).

That's why I expect better for subscribers than the honor of giving them money monthly. Not every game needs to have the same perks but they should be actual perks not something that is useful to some and not to others. I am not sure why ESO subscribers have such low expectations for the money they pay each month. Its a game you can play for free. One time purchase and done. I mean if you were thinking about playing and the idea of subscribing came up for which all you got was a craft bag and extra bank slots. That would be the thing to make you think you need to subscribe. That would be it? There's a whole wide world out there of games willing to give you all kinds of things for your monthly subscription. This one farts in your face and charges you.

Jacozilla · May 2017

Transairion wrote: »

It's a shame I'm not a "valuable enough customer" for Zenimax to give me any additional bag or bank space, Crown Store or otherwise.

Max Bank Space, Max Bag Space, Max Horse Space.... still 3/4 of my storage is crafting materials, and I only keep the rarer tiers of materials now... stockpile the actual materials I need to craft basic things, where am I going to store those? Crazy!

More space for the rest of the playerbase would be nice, but "muh monies" I guess. The complaints about lack of space from future subs will seem even more hilarious in comparison though, crafting bag + nearly 500 Bank slots will never be enough for some people.

Entitled much? Why did you put in quotes 'not a "valuable enough customer"'?

You are implying you are, but quote it to make it seem ZOS does not. Freeloading is not being a customer - you either provide regular revenue or you do not.

If you do provide regular revenue, via crown store purchases - I'd say yep, you're a customer, even without a sub. But if you make regular crown store purchases to be a customer, then what is your beef with subbing? A sub is essentially pre purchase 1500 crowns, even if none of the sub benefits mattered - you're buying 1500 crowns basically.

If you don't buy on crown store and you don't sub - then yea, you're not as 'valuable a customer' as others. What part of that is not clear? Why do you feel entitled to the same benefits as customers who do provide more regular revenue to ZOS?

No idea if you're a millennial, and I won't tar the entire generation as same, but your attitude embodies the entitlement craze that seems to have swept many in the delusion you should earn the same rewards for less participation. The trophies for everyone syndrome.

LadyDestiny · May 2017

They need to double guild bank as well and enable guilds members to see what is in the bank, even if they can't withdraw.

Jacozilla · May 2017

scorpiodog wrote: »

Jamascus wrote: »

I already have double the bank space. I opened a 2nd account for $10 and cancelled my sub.

Been there done that. It's the biggest pain in the world to completely Exit out of ESO just to get a few items, re-log to the other account, find what you need maybe looking in multiple alts, exit ESO again - re-log to the other account (and hope you don't have to get a verification from your email because the program gets confused) Then log back in to you main character.

So yeah - 10 minutes every time you just want to fetch an item. But at least you're saving money, lol.

Getting a 2nd account does not equal double the bank space on 1 account. It is 2 banks worth of storage - yes. But you can't trade/store the rather lengthy list of items that are BOP or non-sharable.

The single biggest advantage to having 2 separate banks is to store the enormous number of mats if you don't have craft bag. So yea - 2nd accounts for those that don't sub make sense to help alleviate the mats deluge if you don't have craft bag.

But otherwise, you're not coming anywhere close doubling your effective storage on your 'main' account because there are so many items you can't trade to store in your 2nd bank. Aside from the issues of switching accounts all the time, the only doubling you're getting is for the items that are BOE and still tradeable.

If you don't sub, and don't plan to, getting a 2nd or even 3rd account just for craft mats storage is well worth it over the long run, given how cheap accounts on when on sale. But unless you plan to play really long term without sub, the bandaid solution of 2nd/3rd accounts become a lot less attractive with this ESO+ doubling of bank space - which is what I imagine ZOS precisely intended.

LadyDestiny · May 2017

Flameheart wrote: »

"About time" is all I can say to that.

I can't remember how many set items - even with good traits - I wanted to bank (any maybe test later or use in a fun build) but had to destroy them.

This^^ The problem has become worse, as I know a lot of people have been hoarding sets waiting to see what will still be good to use after morrowind hits and more builds are released.

ZeroZero77 · May 2017

Simple story. ESO+ is fair.

Free to play means more that you can test the game and that you can even play if your money is to low in a month.

The intention was never that you can play a Game Costless like a Paying Customer.

Kneighbors · May 2017

Blanco wrote: »

I like this game a lot but I think it's one thing we can agree on this game has a stupidly low amount of bag space.

Stupidly low.

It's so idiotic. ZOS's goal is to have as many people playing for as long as possible, and spending as much IRL bucks as possible so how exactly will giving a stupidly low amount of bag space help achieve that goal? It won't!

It doesn't help you achieve your objective ZOS it's just dumb and makes people angry. Frustrating your customers is a terrible idea.

Add storage to housing today. End this nonsense.

You are wrong. ZoS's goal is to have as higher profits as possible. It doesn't have ro mean as higher amount of players as possible.

By your logic they have to make the game free and give 2k space + crafting bags to everyone. But their financial department thinks differently. And you know what, it seems to me they have a better model than yours if they get to advertisments at prime times on TV.

By the way, I never had eso+ and I manage pretty well with storage. Just open your mind and read what people write in this thread. Double bank space will make your eyea dizzy, there are better and cheaper options to manage inventory. People just don't want all junk to be stored in their crafting bag.