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Should block casting be removed? (ಠ_ಠ)
Kammakazi
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Animation canceling yadda yadda. The real problem here is block casting. We all know it's op, and we do it without knowing. So let's make it so all abilities are disabled (greyed out) when you are blocking (ಠ ͜ʖಠ).
PvE Example:
vHRC - Warrior fight. When he does Shehai Storm all 12 players are allowed to hold block to mitigate the incoming damage, but still be able to activate shields, BoL, Springs, etc.
PvP example:
Templar holding block while being bombarded by 5 players, but still mashing BoL. Templar is able to reduce incoming damage, prevent crowd control effects, and stay alive.
Kinda op eh?
Edited by Kammakazi on May 17, 2017 8:02PM PvE Example:
vHRC - Warrior fight. When he does Shehai Storm all 12 players are allowed to hold block to mitigate the incoming damage, but still be able to activate shields, BoL, Springs, etc.
PvP example:
Templar holding block while being bombarded by 5 players, but still mashing BoL. Templar is able to reduce incoming damage, prevent crowd control effects, and stay alive.
Kinda op eh?
Should block casting be removed? (ಠ_ಠ) 303 votes
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78 votes
No
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208 votes
Other
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Preyfar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesBlock Casting is another reason Magicka have a leg up on Stamina, too. Stamina has a much harder time block casting due to most of the attacks, and the risk of running lower on that ever needed Stamina pool.1 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoPvP really needs to be seperated from PvE
It's just not going to ever work out and the sooner ZOS starts to set up changes the better for everyone overall
Yeah..yeah..I get the thoughts from @ZOS_RichLambert and Wrobel that they don't want there to be two different learning curves, but the design today requires everyone to relearn their characters every 90 days or more often after dlc updates so....
Just do it and save development time in the future as it's much easier to look at adjustments for PvP or PvE vs making a needed change cause of PvP but not doing what is needed cause of PvE.....it's disappointing
Keep the character level and visuals but if ppl enter into PvP, then there would be a completely separate template and skill effects-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Mazbt✭✭✭✭NoOP you are bad and should feel bad.Mazari the Resurrected (AD)- PVP stamplar main
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Rinmaethodain✭✭✭✭✭
✭OtherRemoving block casting will kill PVE tanking where tanks will have to drop block in order to use abilities. There are many attacks that last seconds and even swapping weapons (that drops block for a split of second) is equivalent of insta death.14 -
IcyDeadPeople✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoRemove block casting and PVP will become Elder Dizzying Swing/Dawnbreaker Online.
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Oompuh✭✭✭✭✭NoAbsolutely notXbox NA - Oompa
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✭✭✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »Remove block casting and PVP will become Elder Dizzying Swing/Dawnbreaker Online.
Where have you been? PvP's always been that way since the Dawn Era.
I don't think Block Casting needs to be removed either, a lot of Healers do it. But I'm not going to be a Donkey about it like some other people in this Topic.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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SilverWF✭✭✭✭✭
✭The only thing they need is remove cancel casting or make all skills interruptable by castig another skils.- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
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- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Tanks would "love" that
And by "love" I mean "hate it to the bone""Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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✭✭✭✭✭NoI have 1 advice for those who think it's a good idea. Create tank character go on any veteran trial and every time when You want to use skill stop holding block. Happy wiping.9 -
Dubhliam✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoYou won't have a permablocking Templar spamming BoLs in PvP anymore once this next update comes live.
It is one of the great things that comes with this patch that is widely considered as a negative patch.
I personally think it didn't come soon enough.1 -
ofSunhold✭✭✭✭✭NoMaximusDargus wrote: »Removing block casting will kill PVE tanking where tanks will have to drop block in order to use abilities. There are many attacks that last seconds and even swapping weapons (that drops block for a split of second) is equivalent of insta death.
^ This.
Tanks, like everyone else, are about to get a slate of nerfs, plus nerfs to healers who help them sustain and survive. Some of those changes are only happening because of problems with particular builds in PvP - which won't be solved by them, which is extra cute, but will fall full-force on PvE dungeon tanking.
PvE bosses' health and mechanics are set around a system that includes block casting.
So no. Block casting should not be removed.
(And sweeping changes based on what's especially annoying in Cyro really need to slow the f down.)Edited by ofSunhold on May 17, 2017 9:25PMClasses that don't need any class ability nerfs: Nightblades, Dragonknights, Sorcs, Templars, Wardens.4 -
Rittings✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoYou can't nerf this... it would be ridiculous on tanks who already are struggling in PVE... I rely on block casting to be able to mitigate the insane damage being thrown out by vet trial bosses.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NoAnimation canceling yadda yadda. The real problem here is block casting. We all know it's op, and we do it without knowing. So let's make it so all abilities are disabled (greyed out) when you are blocking (ಠ ͜ʖಠ).
PvE Example:
vHRC - Warrior fight. When he does Shehai Storm all 12 players are allowed to hold block to mitigate the incoming damage, but still be able to activate shields, BoL, Springs, etc.
PvP example:
Templar holding block while being bombarded by 5 players, but still mashing BoL. Templar is able to reduce incoming damage, prevent crowd control effects, and stay alive.
Kinda op eh?
"We" do?
That's not how the 12 ought to approach the vHRC Shehai Storm. Players that do this will be out of stamina and be unable to dodge out of the upcoming cleave attack. It's a poor choice and surviving while doing so is just dumb luck. Healers and shields are more than enough to survive.
Disabling abilities while blocking will make PvE tanking not possible.
Yes the templar can mash BoL. If block casting is removed, we won't have to worry about templars or dragonknights because they will be effectively gutted (or at least the magicka version) and all those players will bring sorcerers to PvP.
How is block-casting OP when what is regarded as the strongest spec (sorc) does not block-cast?Edited by Joy_Division on May 17, 2017 10:45PMMake Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.4 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoTanking would be impossible. And you know it."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle6 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭OtherHolding block should cut weapon and spell damage in half. Then block-casting is still possible for tanks but not as beneficial for damage/healing output.4 -
NoMoreChillies✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nowould love to see you tank vHRC warrior and not block castInsulting people on the internet is cowardly.2 -
DannyLV702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesRemove it from PvP. It's the biggest cancer in pvp, followed by shield stacking0 -
RT_Frank✭✭✭NoHonestly this post is just another example of why PvE should be separate from PvP. I agree that this is an annoying inconvenience in PvP, but this mechanic is absolutely required in PvE (for tanks mostly). We must build a wall!
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Sn1per0✭✭✭Block Casting is another reason Magicka have a leg up on Stamina, too. Stamina has a much harder time block casting due to most of the attacks, and the risk of running lower on that ever needed Stamina pool.
I could also say block casting on a Mag char would drain my stamina so I am unable to break free, dodge roll, or ironically, being unable to block....1 -
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✭NoI picked NO when I meant to say YES, Dammit to Oblivion...Edited by whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO on May 17, 2017 11:29PMSigned, Kotaro Atani.PS5 NAVR16/ CP 160 Khajiit Nightblade of the Aldmeri Dominion, Guildmaster and Assassin of the Queen's Hand guild on NA PC. PvP Officer in the WOLF guild on NA PS5, and of course Master Thief. Currently 3600 CP out of 3600 CP on NA PS5. Currently 810 CP on NA PC (used for PTS testing purposes only). On PS5 I am also a Master Crafter, all traits done and learned, Jewelry crafting done. all Motifs learned on PS5 except for maybe two-three Motifs. All Companions are Max level as are their Skills.Warrior, Lover, Thief.... Nightblade. Aldmeri Dominion For Life! For the Queen!! Go Dominion or go home ! "I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims. The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake. Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines. Stand with us." ―Your Queen Commands, Ayrenn Arana Aldmeri.(All 18 characters are AD only! This one is a AD Loyalist)Member of ESO Since January 29, 2014, started early Access 3/30/14 on PC, currently subbed on NA PS5 and on NA PC. Note- I only use PC for PTS testing purposes, the PS5 is my dedicated Game Platform.Note- for those that don't know how to say Kotaro Atani it's "Ko tar row Ah ta ni" (Ko with a Oh sound, tar which sounds like the sticky black tar stuff, row like rowing a boat, Ah with a AHHHH sound, Ta with a Tahhh sound, Neeee which sounds like knee)"The blowing sands of time wipe clean the footprints of the past...""Moonsugar may be the key to paradise, but it is through a false door...""A perfect society is always elsewhere..."- Unknown book of Khajiiti proverbs.0 -
Brutusmax1mus✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoBlock casting is a problem on some classes more than others. However, i wouldn't object to offensive skills being greyed out during blocking. After all, how are you whipping some one with lava if you're holding your staff across your body...
Defensive skills like shields and heal spells should be possible.0 -
Goshua✭✭✭✭OtherIf you want to run with 20k stamina I suggest lots of block casting. Who runs with 20k stamina as a magplar?0
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Animation canceling yadda yadda. The real problem here is block casting. We all know it's op, and we do it without knowing. So let's make it so all abilities are disabled (greyed out) when you are blocking (ಠ ͜ʖಠ).
PvE Example:
vHRC - Warrior fight. When he does Shehai Storm all 12 players are allowed to hold block to mitigate the incoming damage, but still be able to activate shields, BoL, Springs, etc.
PvP example:
Templar holding block while being bombarded by 5 players, but still mashing BoL. Templar is able to reduce incoming damage, prevent crowd control effects, and stay alive.
Kinda op eh?
Block is getting nerfed in Morrowind. Instead of you being able to block 10 hits and only cost you 1 cost due to the .5 second intervals that the server allows before it charges stamina every .25 seconds. This should help a bit at least.0
