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Bsw is only bis for magdk ( as it should be )
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Was so sick and tired of every magicka class in game running bsw because of the high uptime and super high spell dmg it gives
My friend did a parse on the pts and he did more damage with 5 julianos 3 moondancer 2 grothdar dw willpower swords and vma inferno staff on back bar
Forgot what the exact numbers were but boy was i happy to julianos out perform bsw on a magplar atleast.
Keep the balance coming ZoS you doing good
My friend did a parse on the pts and he did more damage with 5 julianos 3 moondancer 2 grothdar dw willpower swords and vma inferno staff on back bar
Forgot what the exact numbers were but boy was i happy to julianos out perform bsw on a magplar atleast.
Keep the balance coming ZoS you doing good
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✭✭✭✭✭I was a bit worried the BSW nerf would have made it no longer BIS for magicka dk as that's my main for PvE at the moment and I have 2 sharpened BSW infernos (don't ask me how I have them
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But yeah after some testing BSW is still BIS for magicka dk. I'm considering running 5 BSW (front bar bsw) 5 Moon (back bar moon) because now either the spell dmg OR the recovery from moon would be nice to have. And BSW still has a uptime around 60% even if it's just on the front bar because of how the magicka dk rotation works, majority of the time spent on front BSW bar.
But yeah back to the point, it's a fantastic change good job ZOS
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✭✭✭✭✭YES! Finally!
I personally love the idea of there being thematic class sets. Burning Spellweave is a set revolving purely around flames.... having it be BiS on every non-Sorc Magicka class was annoying, as it only fit thematically with Dragonknight and maybe Templar (to a lesser extent).
Julianos used to be completely outshined by Burning Spellweave, creating a gear grind that players needed to endure just to get the extra pure DPS output. Now you can craft your gear and have it be equally viable in cool-looking styles! Plus it makes all of those buffed sets adding 400 spell damage to certain damage types much more viable.
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✭✭✭✭✭At first thought I didn't understand why OP says BSW should only be good for a mDK.
After reading the list it still doesn't make sense other than he wants Jullianos to be more useful.
OP. Enlighten us on your reasoning as to why BSW should not be so useful to other classes that use fire damage. I'm hoping there is some seep thought into his/her reasoning.0 -
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✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »At first thought I didn't understand why OP says BSW should only be good for a mDK.
After reading the list it still doesn't make sense other than he wants Jullianos to be more useful.
OP. Enlighten us on your reasoning as to why BSW should not be so useful to other classes that use fire damage. I'm hoping there is some seep thought into his/her reasoning.
Reduced uptime on a sorc or Magblade and with the damage Nerf it's not possible to realistically maintain over 50% uptime. Making it effectively no better than julianos.PC Master Race
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✭✭I am suspecting that Silks of the sun might be better than BSW for mDK, PvE wise.
All of mDK damage is increased by 400 spell damage with the Sun set. Extra health from this set comes more handy than spell crit bonus from BSW.
Bsw needs 61% uptime to beat the Sun set (assuming Major and Minor sorcery are up).
After some brief testing, I occasionaly crossed 60% uptime but was always around 60%. Build: Grothdarr, BSW, Moondancer jewelry, MSA Inferno (front)/Orphan Inferno (back) so I have BSW active on both bars.
That's why I think Sun set might be better. IMO BSW is truly better only on completely static bosses without movement-intense mechanics.
But I still prefer BSW for PvP - one perfectly timed BSW proc can melt mountains in PvP.
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✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »At first thought I didn't understand why OP says BSW should only be good for a mDK.
After reading the list it still doesn't make sense other than he wants Jullianos to be more useful.
OP. Enlighten us on your reasoning as to why BSW should not be so useful to other classes that use fire damage. I'm hoping there is some seep thought into his/her reasoning.
I think the general thought is that it is healthy for different classes to have different BiS sets, rather than homogeneity across all classes for gearing.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »I am suspecting that Silks of the sun might be better than BSW for mDK, PvE wise.
All of mDK damage is increased by 400 spell damage with the Sun set. Extra health from this set comes more handy than spell crit bonus from BSW.
Bsw needs 61% uptime to beat the Sun set (assuming Major and Minor sorcery are up).
After some brief testing, I occasionaly crossed 60% uptime but was always around 60%. Build: Grothdarr, BSW, Moondancer jewelry, MSA Inferno (front)/Orphan Inferno (back) so I have BSW active on both bars.
That's why I think Sun set might be better. IMO BSW is truly better only on completely static bosses without movement-intense mechanics.
But I still prefer BSW for PvP - one perfectly timed BSW proc can melt mountains in PvP.
I'm sure I read somewhere that Sun's 400 spell dmg doesn't get multiplied by things such as major/minor sorcery whereas BSW spell damage bonus does. Sun gives a flat 400 spell damage with fire attacks ON TOP of your current total spell damage, whereas BSW gives (insert number) spell damage TO your total so it gets increased with sorcery buffs etc, which is why BSW is better. Don't quote me on that though.Edited by Voxicity on May 16, 2017 7:26PM2 -
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✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Was so sick and tired of every magicka class in game running bsw because of the high uptime and super high spell dmg it gives
My friend did a parse on the pts and he did more damage with 5 julianos 3 moondancer 2 grothdar dw willpower swords and vma inferno staff on back bar
Forgot what the exact numbers were but boy was i happy to julianos out perform bsw on a magplar atleast.
Keep the balance coming ZoS you doing good
Lol so Balance to you is where only 1 class get a high uptime and high spell damage set? That doesn't make sense, but good try.
Balance would be all classes being just as viable. Not 1 class having more options or being better.
Also thought I would throw this in. People will find out what the bis set is, whether it is BSW or not remains to be seen. So if it is not bsw it will be another. So what is it you have against other classes using bsw?Edited by alexkdd99 on May 16, 2017 7:32PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »Was so sick and tired of every magicka class in game running bsw because of the high uptime and super high spell dmg it gives
My friend did a parse on the pts and he did more damage with 5 julianos 3 moondancer 2 grothdar dw willpower swords and vma inferno staff on back bar
Forgot what the exact numbers were but boy was i happy to julianos out perform bsw on a magplar atleast.
Keep the balance coming ZoS you doing good
Lol so Balance to you is where only 1 class get a high uptime and high spell damage set? That doesn't make sense, but good try.
Balance would be all classes being just as viable. Not 1 class having more options or being better.
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✭✭✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »
I figured I'd have to be weaving heavies for sustain. Also why wouldn't you weave Sweeps? Damage isn't the only reason to weave, it also builds ultimate and procs weapon enchantments.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA2 -
SnubbS✭✭✭✭✭Can someone please explain to me the benefit of Gear diversity for DDs? Why do you care if BSW is BiS for everything—or if it's Julianos that's BiS. Why would it be preferable for all relevant gear sets to do the same damage? What's so great about each class having their own BiS gear setup—what's the point?3
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✭✭✭✭✭So you´re tired of some theorycrafters founding out that BSW was BiS and then everyone wanted to use it???
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✭✭✭✭✭Can someone please explain to me the benefit of Gear diversity for DDs? Why do you care if BSW is BiS for everything—or if it's Julianos that's BiS. Why would it be preferable for all relevant gear sets to do the same damage? What's so great about each class having their own BiS gear setup—what's the point?
Finally somone who gets it :P1 -
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✭✭jroc699_burr wrote: »lol just wait for the new sets 2 of them will b op as f for a bit for sure
Nope, it won't. Atleast not on a magplar. No reason to buff like 60...70% of your dmg with 400 spelldmg if you can buff all of them with 300 (julianos) or more (bsw/scathing).Noobplar0 -
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✭✭✭Can someone please explain to me the benefit of Gear diversity for DDs? Why do you care if BSW is BiS for everything—or if it's Julianos that's BiS. Why would it be preferable for all relevant gear sets to do the same damage? What's so great about each class having their own BiS gear setup—what's the point?
None at all tbh everyone is going to use the same sets anyways.0 -
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✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »I am suspecting that Silks of the sun might be better than BSW for mDK, PvE wise.
All of mDK damage is increased by 400 spell damage with the Sun set. Extra health from this set comes more handy than spell crit bonus from BSW.
Bsw needs 61% uptime to beat the Sun set (assuming Major and Minor sorcery are up).
After some brief testing, I occasionaly crossed 60% uptime but was always around 60%. Build: Grothdarr, BSW, Moondancer jewelry, MSA Inferno (front)/Orphan Inferno (back) so I have BSW active on both bars.
That's why I think Sun set might be better. IMO BSW is truly better only on completely static bosses without movement-intense mechanics.
But I still prefer BSW for PvP - one perfectly timed BSW proc can melt mountains in PvP.
I'm sure I read somewhere that Sun's 400 spell dmg doesn't get multiplied by things such as major/minor sorcery whereas BSW spell damage bonus does. Sun gives a flat 400 spell damage with fire attacks on top of your current spell damage, whereas BSW gives (insert number) spell damage but it gets increased with sorcery buffs etc, which is why BSW is better. Don't quote me on that though.
I haven't checked with Sun or the other older sets, but War Maiden's 400 SD to Magic damage is actually being affected by Major/Minor buffs and other % amps to SD. I know the older sets didn't used to, but it is definitely worth testing before writing off.
The major issue that remains with Sun however, is the Health bonus on the set piece, ultimately hindering it's overall DPS in end game PvE.Old member of The Order of Mundus, Mostly Harmless, Hostile, and Genesis Elite. Avid theorycrafter. Herald to competitive stamina DPS pre 1.5. How far we've come!
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✭Ihatenightblades wrote: »
I figured I'd have to be weaving heavies for sustain. Also why wouldn't you weave Sweeps? Damage isn't the only reason to weave, it also builds ultimate and procs weapon enchantments.
U will lose tons of dps weaving in between jabs
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✭✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »I am suspecting that Silks of the sun might be better than BSW for mDK, PvE wise.
All of mDK damage is increased by 400 spell damage with the Sun set. Extra health from this set comes more handy than spell crit bonus from BSW.
Bsw needs 61% uptime to beat the Sun set (assuming Major and Minor sorcery are up).
After some brief testing, I occasionaly crossed 60% uptime but was always around 60%. Build: Grothdarr, BSW, Moondancer jewelry, MSA Inferno (front)/Orphan Inferno (back) so I have BSW active on both bars.
That's why I think Sun set might be better. IMO BSW is truly better only on completely static bosses without movement-intense mechanics.
But I still prefer BSW for PvP - one perfectly timed BSW proc can melt mountains in PvP.
I'm sure I read somewhere that Sun's 400 spell dmg doesn't get multiplied by things such as major/minor sorcery whereas BSW spell damage bonus does. Sun gives a flat 400 spell damage with fire attacks ON TOP of your current total spell damage, whereas BSW gives (insert number) spell damage TO your total so it gets increased with sorcery buffs etc, which is why BSW is better. Don't quote me on that though.
You are right, Sun set does not get increased by Minor and Major Sorcery like all +400 certain spell damage sets, don't know about the War Maiden tho.
And I calculated with that.
400/(525*1,25)=60,95%
So, to get at least 400 spell damage from BSW (after Minor and Major Sorcery) you need 60,95% uptime. Less than that, Sun is better.1 -
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What this is a lie.You weave lights in between your jabs and it boost your DPS.Ihatenightblades wrote: »Ihatenightblades wrote: »
I figured I'd have to be weaving heavies for sustain. Also why wouldn't you weave Sweeps? Damage isn't the only reason to weave, it also builds ultimate and procs weapon enchantments.
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✭✭The issue with Silks of the sun is that unlike BSW you can't trigger it on one bar and switch to the other bar, which is nessissary for Inferno staffs uses when the monster sets are so synergistic with MagDKs
You can't get 2, 5 piece bonuses with Silks, you can with BSW.
I think it should be pretty easy to keep up the buff when all of my skills and my enchants are fire but again everything I cast is fire so silks is also good. Shrug.
In any case I have both in my inventory ready for what I need
I have heard the new set "war maiden" is very good on Magplars.Edited by Narvuntien on May 17, 2017 3:15AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »Olupajmibanan wrote: »I am suspecting that Silks of the sun might be better than BSW for mDK, PvE wise.
All of mDK damage is increased by 400 spell damage with the Sun set. Extra health from this set comes more handy than spell crit bonus from BSW.
Bsw needs 61% uptime to beat the Sun set (assuming Major and Minor sorcery are up).
After some brief testing, I occasionaly crossed 60% uptime but was always around 60%. Build: Grothdarr, BSW, Moondancer jewelry, MSA Inferno (front)/Orphan Inferno (back) so I have BSW active on both bars.
That's why I think Sun set might be better. IMO BSW is truly better only on completely static bosses without movement-intense mechanics.
But I still prefer BSW for PvP - one perfectly timed BSW proc can melt mountains in PvP.
I'm sure I read somewhere that Sun's 400 spell dmg doesn't get multiplied by things such as major/minor sorcery whereas BSW spell damage bonus does. Sun gives a flat 400 spell damage with fire attacks ON TOP of your current total spell damage, whereas BSW gives (insert number) spell damage TO your total so it gets increased with sorcery buffs etc, which is why BSW is better. Don't quote me on that though.
You are right, Sun set does not get increased by Minor and Major Sorcery like all +400 certain spell damage sets, don't know about the War Maiden tho.
And I calculated with that.
400/(525*1,25)=60,95%
So, to get at least 400 spell damage from BSW (after Minor and Major Sorcery) you need 60,95% uptime. Less than that, Sun is better.
I see. Thanks for testing that.
I'm still leaning more towards BSW in terms of my own set up with 5 BSW 5 Moon on seperate bars. Would be more of a dps loss I think to lose the 5 piece Sun on my back barEdited by Voxicity on May 17, 2017 11:28AM0 -
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✭✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »Olupajmibanan wrote: »I am suspecting that Silks of the sun might be better than BSW for mDK, PvE wise.
All of mDK damage is increased by 400 spell damage with the Sun set. Extra health from this set comes more handy than spell crit bonus from BSW.
Bsw needs 61% uptime to beat the Sun set (assuming Major and Minor sorcery are up).
After some brief testing, I occasionaly crossed 60% uptime but was always around 60%. Build: Grothdarr, BSW, Moondancer jewelry, MSA Inferno (front)/Orphan Inferno (back) so I have BSW active on both bars.
That's why I think Sun set might be better. IMO BSW is truly better only on completely static bosses without movement-intense mechanics.
But I still prefer BSW for PvP - one perfectly timed BSW proc can melt mountains in PvP.
I'm sure I read somewhere that Sun's 400 spell dmg doesn't get multiplied by things such as major/minor sorcery whereas BSW spell damage bonus does. Sun gives a flat 400 spell damage with fire attacks ON TOP of your current total spell damage, whereas BSW gives (insert number) spell damage TO your total so it gets increased with sorcery buffs etc, which is why BSW is better. Don't quote me on that though.
You are right, Sun set does not get increased by Minor and Major Sorcery like all +400 certain spell damage sets, don't know about the War Maiden tho.
And I calculated with that.
400/(525*1,25)=60,95%
So, to get at least 400 spell damage from BSW (after Minor and Major Sorcery) you need 60,95% uptime. Less than that, Sun is better.
All of these sets actually do get buffed by majors and minors. it's been tested. it just doesn't show on toon screen tool tips but actual spell tooltips do get buffed when a major / minor is activated.
Just need Zos to not forget this set and remove the *** health bonus and give it near 1k Max Magika or 3% Crit.PC Master Race
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MaselClass RepresentativeI don't know why everyone is so badly after getting the health bonus changed. With 7 light armor pieces (which you need in order to get close to your old sustain level), a health bonus comes in very, very handy. You'll have 16200 health without one. And those sets do get increased by major and minor sorcery... It's been tested multiple times. Hell I'll do it again myself.PC EU
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✭I wouldn't mind these BiS sets from dropped gear if they weren't BoP or had a token system. I can't even count how many times I have ran both dungeons attempting to get the fire staves and the sharpened swords with zero luck.0
