I couldn't NOT post this

D0ntevenL1ft · May 2017

I can't tell if I'm extremely angry or i find this hilarious; but i just got my 3rd sharpened resto staff from vma… IN A ROW. Thats right, i got 3 sharpened resto's back to back to back. Any mathematicians want to show me the odds on that?

GF me.

Edit: why not implement something like trade in 5 (or X) maelstrom weapons for another roll at the chest?

Edit #2: I have officially gotten my first flawless on magsorc, and did it before receiving a single bow drop. Message to ZOS Flawless Conquerer is way easier than getting the weapons you want @ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel

starkerealm · May 2017

Well, that's why you need to l1ft.

GrumpyDuckling · May 2017

Oh baby! Get the Light Speaker's set to pair with those bad boys. Your Resto Staff will slice through enemies!

D0ntevenL1ft · May 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

Well, that's why you need to l1ft.

Dont steal my thread with clever comments like that

Didgerion · May 2017

At least your account is attuned to sharpened weapon.

Imagine if you've got 3 charged resto staff - there would be no room for hope.

SirAndy · May 2017

A quick search would have told you that ZOS RNG isn't actually completely random.
And i'm not talking about the esoteric discussions on computer random number generators in general.

I'm talking about the fact that ZOS RNG is heavily filtered and weighted and as such i am not the least bit surprised by your experience.

Vaoh · May 2017

Once, I told myself the worst drop I could get was a Decisive Ice Staff during a run. I ended up getting a Decisive Ice Staff.

Because of this I decided to run again but this time told myself that the worst drop I could get was a Sharpened Inferno Staff.....

.... I got a Powered Dagger.

vMA is cruel

Shadow_Viper_vX · May 2017

SirAndy wrote: »

A quick search would have told you that ZOS RNG isn't actually completely random.
And i'm not talking about the esoteric discussions on computer random number generators in general.

I'm talking about the fact that ZOS RNG is heavily filtered and weighted and as such i am not the least bit surprised by your experience.

Please elaborate

elantaura · May 2017

I once got 4 charged axes the sword and board followed by 3 charged axes. I was raging and friends tunned in for that 7 th charged axe as they were sure it could not happen again. ...
I kept them for a long time as I had hoped that when housing came out we would be able to display weapons and I wanted a hous full of charged axes amoung others.
That is what did me in in on maelstrom in truth - 7 charged axes

Axoinus · May 2017

That's not random. There must be code somewhere that is directly manipulating the results. I've never seen RNG that broken. And I'm a stats guy.

psxfloh · May 2017

Axoinus wrote: »

That's not random. There must be code somewhere that is directly manipulating the results. I've never seen RNG that broken. And I'm a stats guy.

well.. idk if it's manipulated or not, and for my view it doesn't really matter.
ZOS should start manipulating RNG in the player's favor.
E.g. increasing the chances on drops you didn't already get. Thus it'd be only a matter of time until your chances for a sharpened vma inferno increase to a level where it's well above everything else...
Or a sharpened bsw inferno or lightning staff... or the swords, or a viper's shield, or anything else people are heavily after.

"oh no" say the farmer guys and the merchants, "that'll f**k up the economy!"
"the economy is already f**ked up" say the guys who don't want to spend over a million gold on a single spriggan's thorns dagger..

Peekachu99 · May 2017

Vaoh wrote: »

Once, I told myself the worst drop I could get was a Decisive Ice Staff during a run. I ended up getting a Decisive Ice Staff.

Because of this I decided to run again but this time told myself that the worst drop I could get was a Sharpened Inferno Staff.....

.... I got a Powered Dagger.

vMA is cruel

That staff isn't bad for a warden tank, though. I was happy when I got mine for that reason. Lemons into lemonade, people!

Edit. Nm. Read that wrong. Decisive =\= Defensive. That drop was indeed garbage.

Sharee · May 2017

Now you can triple-wield them. Talk about a healing powerhouse

Vildebill · May 2017

Welcome to the wonderful world of vMA drop rates. I'll advise you to use some Valium for your and your family's safety.

When you've done 100 runs and gotten 50 resto staves, come back with them to me. I'm melting them down to build a throne. I'm calling it the Irony Throne *humming on the theme music below*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6tKZ-cg4RI

Deadfinger6 · May 2017

I'm no mathmatiction but I'd say 9000

D0ntevenL1ft · May 2017

psxfloh wrote: »

Axoinus wrote: »

That's not random. There must be code somewhere that is directly manipulating the results. I've never seen RNG that broken. And I'm a stats guy.

well.. idk if it's manipulated or not, and for my view it doesn't really matter.
ZOS should start manipulating RNG in the player's favor.
E.g. increasing the chances on drops you didn't already get. Thus it'd be only a matter of time until your chances for a sharpened vma inferno increase to a level where it's well above everything else...
Or a sharpened bsw inferno or lightning staff... or the swords, or a viper's shield, or anything else people are heavily after.

"oh no" say the farmer guys and the merchants, "that'll f**k up the economy!"
"the economy is already f**ked up" say the guys who don't want to spend over a million gold on a single spriggan's thorns dagger..

This is exactly what I was wondering last night. What could be the explanation for it implementing a system like this ? Why not increase the chances of items we don't have, and decrease the chance of items with traits we already have ? I don't see why anyone would dislike this

Nermy · May 2017

Funnily enough, randomness isn't that random.

What we normally call “random” is not truly random, but only appears so. The randomness is a reflection of our ignorance about the thing being observed, rather than something inherent to it.

Anyone remember the ishuffle? Apple had to actually program it to be MORE random! lol!

D0ntevenL1ft · May 2017

Nermy wrote: »

Funnily enough, randomness isn't that random.

What we normally call “random” is not truly random, but only appears so. The randomness is a reflection of our ignorance about the thing being observed, rather than something inherent to it.

Anyone remember the ishuffle? Apple had to actually program it to be MORE random! lol!

Honestly I listened to my iPod so much I could almost predict what was coming next even on random; so I predict a sharpened bow or dagger

NewBlacksmurf · May 2017

Axoinus wrote: »

That's not random. There must be code somewhere that is directly manipulating the results. I've never seen RNG that broken. And I'm a stats guy.

They've already told everyone time after time that it's not truly random. Ppl just keep arguing and so the forums and websites have created these crazy misleading notions.

The game as they talk about it in riddles almost, has a few random possibilities within subsets.

So if you're farming anything, you may have 10 possibility categories and each category has a % drop chance set. Then within those, there is another layers of categories with a %

Lastly there is a random trait chance that is within a third category with set %

That's the basic response of their drop rates. No clue why anyone keeps calling it a RNG system.

Merlin13KAGL · May 2017

You'll only have to charge the enchant 1/3rd as often...

BRCOURTN · May 2017

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Axoinus wrote: »

That's not random. There must be code somewhere that is directly manipulating the results. I've never seen RNG that broken. And I'm a stats guy.

They've already told everyone time after time that it's not truly random. Ppl just keep arguing and so the forums and websites have created these crazy misleading notions.

The game as they talk about it in riddles almost, has a few random possibilities within subsets.

So if you're farming anything, you may have 10 possibility categories and each category has a % drop chance set. Then within those, there is another layers of categories with a %

Lastly there is a random trait chance that is within a third category with set %

That's the basic response of their drop rates. No clue why anyone keeps calling it a RNG system.

Sounds like it's just weighted RNG. I think people were pissed enough when they realized how slim their chances were with it being completely random, but now that is seems like it's even more weighted against you, getting a decent drop becomes nearly impossible.

Zenzuki · May 2017

Deadfinger6 wrote: »

I'm no mathmatiction but I'd say 9000

Nah, I'd say it's over 9000!

Violynne · May 2017

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

Please elaborate

It means ZoS is adding additional code in order to modify the true random generated number.

Computers can never truly be "random", though there are some exceptional algorithms to come close as one can get.

In the game, when the random number is generated, additional code is added to "weight" the number, either for or against favor of the original outcome.

As an example: suppose a drop of a specific item can only be obtain through a series between 0.4 and 0.46. The system "rolls" the random number, and delivers a "0.42".

Item dropped, right? No. Other factors are added in. We'll use a day and stat figure to continue with the example, though don't apply these with the code added by ZoS. We don't know what factors they use.

Now that we have our "0.42", the game will then throw out another multiplier based on the number of days since the last [similar/identical] drop. This number spits out "0.01". Then another number is thrown out to limit the scale of the item, so let's say this is "0.02".

When added together: 0.42 - 0.01 - 0.02, we get a new number: 0.39, and the drop fails.

Thus, getting 3x a drop of an identical item is theoretically extremely difficult, but weighted, it's more plausible.

The actual item itself is a factor of randomization, but it would have been plausible to get 1x sharpened resto, 1x sharpened flame, and 1x sharpened frost in the same 3 day period.

The worst element about this RNG is it completely negates odds as we understand them. Anyone whose ever tried to use Force Lock with an 85%+ success rate will understand this as they've hit their 5th+ consecutive failure, which is statistically improbable (though not impossible).

The RNG system used in the game isn't what I'd call "random" under any definition, but alas, it's what we have to deal with.

Buffler · May 2017

I got 5 s&b's in a row once.....sad times.

D0ntevenL1ft · May 2017

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

You'll only have to charge the enchant 1/3rd as often...

Rofl love this comment

DjMuscleboy02 · May 2017

53 of my last 87 (I've been recording them) drops have been defending. And in over 450 weapons, I saw my first maul this past Sunday.

D0ntevenL1ft · May 2017

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

53 of my last 87 (I've been recording them) drops have been defending. And in over 450 weapons, I saw my first maul this past Sunday.

My 10th ish drop was a precise maul which may be best for pvp next patch but I still want my sharpened one

DMuehlhausen · May 2017

SirAndy wrote: »

A quick search would have told you that ZOS RNG isn't actually completely random.
And i'm not talking about the esoteric discussions on computer random number generators in general.

I'm talking about the fact that ZOS RNG is heavily filtered and weighted and as such i am not the least bit surprised by your experience.

Anything man made can't be completely random. So yeah fun times for anybody in vMA

D0ntevenL1ft · May 2017

Has anyone gotten any good streaks rather than horrible streaks? Need a Motovation booster. Tell me you've gotten 2 sharpened daggers or axes in one run

DjMuscleboy02 · May 2017

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Has anyone gotten any good streaks rather than horrible streaks? Need a Motovation booster. Tell me you've gotten 2 sharpened daggers or axes in one run

My first ever sharpened drop was a dagger/axe from the same chest.

I shouldn't mention it was after 300 prior weapons....

VonSwaego · May 2017

I have every possible stamina weapon you could want. 3 restos ( 2decisive 1defending), one lightning staff ( decisive), and two ice staffs ( both powered). Have never seen a fire staff. I only run magicka characters. Do I have to switch a sorc to a Stam to get staffs? Seems so. My buddy only runs a Stam sorc and he only gets all the staffs I want. He has no stamina weapons dropping. Lost track of how many times I've ran it, but I'm positive I don't need 58 sets of S&B.