9th trait - Nirnhoned
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My current spell resist on PTS is 2185 overcharged by 251 without it. Needless to say it's pointless.
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On live, 2193 overcharged by 301.
The hardcap on spell resistance at VR14 is 3250. It's 3150 currently on live for VR12.
You aren't even close.
The hard cap provides 50% resistance to spells, before spell penetration. You only have 33% resistance. The soft cap is 30% resistance.
I suppose you could think it's pointless to go any further, but hey, it's an option.Edited by Varicite on August 21, 2014 7:23AM3 -
Jaxx✭Not sure if people noticed, but per the Road Ahead, they are looking at removing the soft caps with the Champion System.
There is also mention of encouraging growth for as long as you wish, so not sure what effect that will have on caps overall, and peoples obsessiveness with obtaining max. VR level (which sounds like there will not be any more)1 -
Aenra✭✭✭✭why are you all stuck on the present?
it is evident they are thinking ahead from a lot of things, and so it is here..they will be removing the soft cap at saome point you know.
aaaand, we do have a slight (perceived mostly, but not entirely fictional) imbalance between stamina and magicka builds do we not?
combine the two and tell me how nice a start this nirnhoned trait looks likePride, honour and purity1 -
indigoblades✭✭✭Pangnirtung wrote: »
If that is indeed the case that the ONLY way you can learn this trait is by completing the quest, I give up.
Why is the ONLY way to get special dropped sets and now maybe traits by completing GROUP quests?
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indigoblades✭✭✭indigoblades wrote: »
I AGREE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If one has 8 traits researched and is a level 40+ crafter, they are most likely spend most of there time crafting not finding to groups to do quest in Advanced Vet zones. Its bad enough the 8 set matches are so poor, compared to lower matches. I wish they would stop nerfing crafting in general and let it be something one can get by crafting not grouping and questing in Group content.
Edited by indigoblades on September 18, 2014 10:09AM4 -
Has anyone found a 9 trait crafting station on PTS or do we think they will slip in a 9 trait researched crafting set within 30 days?0 -
Redfer✭✭can anyone tell me where to find the nirncrux items for crafting, other than deconing of course0 -
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✭✭✭can anyone tell me where to find the nirncrux items for crafting, other than deconing of course
Items with the Nirnhoned trait can be obtained by completing the quest line in the new Upper Craglorn region. I do not know if you need to complete a series of quests or if you can complete particular quests. You may be able to purchase an item with the trait if they have researched it. Be prepared to shell out some gold, though, as the two items I found in guild kiosks yesterday were offered at prices of 50K and 60K for level 1 gear. If you are a PVPer or gold poor or if you can't find three people to complete several quests with you, then you can forget about obtaining this gear anytime soon.
For the Nirncrux trait stone, you can deconstruct items with the Nirnhoned trait or you can harvest crafting ores in Upper Craglorn, where there seems to be a 3% or less chance of finding them. Hirelings do not send the stones. Refining materials does not seem to drop the stone, either.
Basically, if you want this gear and the trait stones, then you need to have the time and associates demanded by Upper Craglorn and/or some very deep pockets.0 -
NukaCola✭✭✭Can anyone confirm if these stones can indeed be found by harvesting? A screenshot perhaps?0
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✭✭✭Can anyone confirm if these stones can indeed be found by harvesting? A screenshot perhaps?
I can grab a screenshot tonight but I can confirm you can obtain the trait stones by harvesting mats. I received one yesterday when harvesting voidstone ore. The chances are ridiculously small though, just 2-3% at best and possibly even lower. However it is possible with enough effort and luck.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Where do you start the upper craglorn questline? And can it be done solo?
PC EU
PvP only0 -
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✭✭✭The quests cannot be soloed. There are two entrances to Upper Craglorn - one northwest of Shada's Tear and one north of Spellscar. There are unique quest givers not far from both entrances. That is as much as I know.0 -
seanolan✭✭✭✭The stones also are very very rarely in Heavy Sacks in Upper Craglorn, and can be obtained from mobs that drop shadowhide. No screenshots, sorry (didn't occur to me to take one either time) but both have happened to me and I don't see the point of lying about it.0
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Wyld✭I fail to see why CRAFTERS must spend time grinding up to be doing Upper echelon quests. This boggles the mind why Crafting can not be separate from Combat. If the only way to get traits and mats is to do max level group questing, I think I may be in the wrong game.
Just as a piece of info: AD the lowest price and going rate apparently for nirnhoned items for research is 50k each.Edited by Wyld on September 18, 2014 11:36PM3 -
Sasky✭✭✭(Un)fortunately, this is probably going to be common with the season gear when it's released. They've stated two things:
1) current season gear will be difficult to obtain
2) there will be a path for crafters to make
With how easy it is to level crafting, it's most likely going to be the same type of scarcity for items used for crafting on the season gear. Hopefully they don't make it through research-style time sinks (so you can actually craft it while it's current season) but only through adding a rare item to the craft.0 -
killedbyping✭✭✭✭Srsly, This looks pretty much redicilous to me.
You spend 30 days to gather items which need 30 days to research.
Just... stupid.
Ofc it shouldnt be just laying around like any other trash, but todays chances are just stupid. And it should be either hard to find or long to research, not the both at the same time.
Else it will lead to pay to win, bcoz the only persons who will have this 9th trait reserached before 10th trait will be implemented is those who bought gold for real money or do alot of exploits for gold farm so they have no prob buying all those lvl 1 items for 20-30k just for researching ..
I spent 3 days of grinding, questing, nodes farming, Dragonstar arena farming e.t.c.
Literaly 0 stones or items.
It actualy seems that the only way to get the item with nirnhorned trait is to complete the main quest. Never happened to me or to any of my guildmates to loot nirnhorned item from any other source then main quest which just give you 1 random item.Edited by killedbyping on September 21, 2014 6:18PM0 -
reften✭✭✭✭✭Not sure if people noticed, but per the Road Ahead, they are looking at removing the soft caps with the Champion System.
There is also mention of encouraging growth for as long as you wish, so not sure what effect that will have on caps overall, and peoples obsessiveness with obtaining max. VR level (which sounds like there will not be any more)
not going to happen. Caps are needed. Otherwise you'll have people that figure out how to absolutely dominate. My guess would be max'ing out spell damage and spell crit. Think 10 of those players just rolling everybody. There has to be limits.Reften
Bosmer (Wood Elf)
Moonlight Crew (RIP), Misfitz (RIP), Victorem Guild
VR16 NB, Stam build, Max all crafts.
Azuras & Trueflame. Mostly PvP, No alts.
Semi-retired till the lag is fixed.
Love the Packers, Bourbon, and ESO...one of those will eventually kill me.0 -
kosac✭✭✭i have done
"Nirnhoned equipment can be obtained by completing the main quest line in Upper Craglorn."
and no trait.. where can i find this trait? i only find some materials...0 -
Sunrock✭✭✭I fail to see why CRAFTERS must spend time grinding up to be doing Upper echelon quests. This boggles the mind why Crafting can not be separate from Combat. If the only way to get traits and mats is to do max level group questing, I think I may be in the wrong game.
Just as a piece of info: AD the lowest price and going rate apparently for nirnhoned items for research is 50k each.
You can always obtain it from an other player too...
And for the cost of sad item. Supply and demand. Prices will drop quickly. But I don't think it will go mush under 10k consider how rare the trait stone drop rate is.1 -
kelly.medleyb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Pangnirtung wrote: »
If that is indeed the case that the ONLY way you can learn this trait is by completing the quest, I give up.
Why is the ONLY way to get special dropped sets and now maybe traits by completing GROUP quests?
Of all the things to complain about his one is pretty silly, the trait is OPTIONAL first off and second you don't even have to craft it, just hire a crafter. People complain about the silliest things I swear.So a trait that is pointless due to soft caps. Good job ZOS.
I agree that all soft caps should be raised, but it's hardly pointless.1 -
Sunrock✭✭✭So a trait that is pointless due to soft caps. Good job ZOS.
@Lionxoft
I'm not sure you have understood this thing with soft cap hand hard cap. Just because you hit the soft cap of one stat does not mean it is impossible or even useless to push over the soft cap in every situation.
I can see that having tanking gear in the Serpent trial that pushes spell resistance way over the soft cap can be a viable option, especially when it's time to set a speed record or do hard mode version of that trial. Also for tanking in PvP consider allot players use spells instead of just stacking immovable.
Also the weapon trait gives both spell penetration and spell resistance witch makes it quite attractive to have on crafted weapons meant for PvP.0 -
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@Lionxoft
I'm not sure you have understood this thing with soft cap hand hard cap. Just because you hit the soft cap of one stat does not mean it is impossible or even useless to push over the soft cap in every situation.
I can see that having tanking gear in the Serpent trial that pushes spell resistance way over the soft cap can be a viable option, especially when it's time to set a speed record or do hard mode version of that trial. Also for tanking in PvP consider allot players use spells instead of just stacking immovable.
Also the weapon trait gives both spell penetration and spell resistance witch makes it quite attractive to have on crafted weapons meant for PvP.
I understand soft cap vs hard cap. I also understand diminished returns and which abilities are affected by spell resist and which abilities are affected by armor. For me personally, it's still better to stack a few pieces of impen. Maybe one could have the extra pieces nirnhoned but I don't see it being as effective as some other traits granted I solely pvp. Sharpened is the better option for my weapon due to my choice of class abilities.
The diminished return isn't a good investment (For me) on a stat that is easily ignored. One of my characters is a Breton DK. 2.2k spell resist. For just buff test purposes, using immoveable and CoP add an extra 1.5k SR which grants me a 758 spell resist after soft cap diminish. It's not hitting the hard cap however the diminished return isn't something I'm all that excited about and I certainly won't be changing my build for it.
For me? Nope. Nope. Nope. For others? Idc what you do. Just keep dying and giving me AP.0 -
Sunrock✭✭✭Well hardcap is 4.2k so it.s almost double what you have. With a pocket healer in your back it will make quite allot of difference.0
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As a healer I found spell penetration is useless and this trait is a joke. Ill research it for the sake of crafting #9 traits and being paind to craft it to others1
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As a person who has all 9-Traits researched in all crafts and wouldn't even consider gold-buying, I find your post both offensive and stupid.killedbyping wrote: »Else it will lead to pay to win, bcoz the only persons who will have this 9th trait reserached before 10th trait will be implemented is those who bought gold for real money or do alot of exploits for gold farm so they have no prob buying all those lvl 1 items for 20-30k just for researching ..0 -
FixedBlade123✭✭✭Since I'm a lone player and nirnhoned can only be obtained via group events I guess I'm done with the crafting writs. That sucks BIG TIME. I have a quest to make an Epic, Nirnhoned, Whitestrake, Mercenary, Inferno Staff. I've been shut down. Dammmmmmm It!!!0 -
FixedBlade123✭✭✭I've paid tons of money over the years to play ESO. It sucks that I'm penalized because I don't do group events. My money is as good as the group players money is.0
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MAEK✭✭✭✭FixedBlade123 wrote: »Since I'm a lone player and nirnhoned can only be obtained via group events I guess I'm done with the crafting writs. That sucks BIG TIME. I have a quest to make an Epic, Nirnhoned, Whitestrake, Mercenary, Inferno Staff. I've been shut down. Dammmmmmm It!!!
They changed Craglorn, you no longer need to be a group to complete it. As a solo player I can verify this. You'll probably need help with some world bosses but if you ask in zone chat help will be easy to find.0
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