ok thanks, not sure I can buy it at this time

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Myyth wrote: »

ok thanks, not sure I can buy it at this time

The universe may just have done you a huge favour.

Wait until it goes live, see all the despair that will occur and, once the NDA is lifted, how literally thousands of players tried to help ZoS avoid this impending train-wreck.

Then decide of you even want to buy it.

All The Best

Can't tell if serious or not.

People that actually enjoy the game will adapt to any of the changes. People who just stay to whine might actually leave which will be blessing.

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Myyth wrote: »

ok thanks, not sure I can buy it at this time

The universe may just have done you a huge favour.

Wait until it goes live, see all the despair that will occur and, once the NDA is lifted, how literally thousands of players tried to help ZoS avoid this impending train-wreck.

Then decide of you even want to buy it.

All The Best

Can't tell if serious or not.

People that actually enjoy the game will adapt to any of the changes. People who just stay to whine might actually leave which will be blessing.

In any case, people leaving the game is not good. Doesn't matter if they like the changes or not. Less players -> Less support -> Less money for the company -> Less content...

You can imagine how it ends up... not good. So no, people leaving the game is not a blessing. Besides, people complaints (or 'whinings' as you called it) are what improve whatever product.

Cheers.

Morrowind will do just fine, not least because all the angst that has been caused in some sections of the community over the changes relates to base game changes, and a lot of PC and Mac users will get to see those changes before they get to see Morrowind.

they should include warden in the base at least, not being able to play warden- but still play against them would be weird for base game players. the pricing is also strange- the expansion being twitce the price of the base game- but thats another topic already ground to the ground.

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Myyth wrote: »

ok thanks, not sure I can buy it at this time

The universe may just have done you a huge favour.

Wait until it goes live, see all the despair that will occur and, once the NDA is lifted, how literally thousands of players tried to help ZoS avoid this impending train-wreck.

Then decide of you even want to buy it.

All The Best

We tried, they only listen what they want but at least they do and Gina is very implicated and put a lot of dedication.

Hopefully she never leave

I am personally waiting to get it because I still have Caldwell's Silver and Gold to complete as well as Wrothgar. I figure I will just keep questing and get Morrowind after I get through those. By that time maybe Vvardenfel won't be so crowded with people too.

Ruze wrote: »

I am personally waiting to get it because I still have Caldwell's Silver and Gold to complete as well as Wrothgar. I figure I will just keep questing and get Morrowind after I get through those. By that time maybe Vvardenfel won't be so crowded with people too.

thats the same situation for me too. Im still trying to get cadwells done and wrothgar...ive made four attempts now to do that zone but I never finish it. Just doesnt seem to keep my interest. And I only just started dark brotherhood the other day.

Hämähäkki wrote: »

Do i get this right? If i dont buy Morrowind i am not able to play a warden?

Correct.

You have to buy Morrowind to play Warden and to access Vvardenfell, or to use the new PvP Battlegrounds (which are quite fun BTW), and the new Trial (Halls Of fabrication).

All The Best

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Can't tell if serious or not.

People that actually enjoy the game will adapt to any of the changes. People who just stay to whine might actually leave which will be blessing.

Very serious.

I've enjoyed every moment of my time playing ESO over the last 5 or so months, so much so that I subbed right through that period, and purchased Crowns for a Homestead. I thoroughly enjoyed it, enough that some times I was logging 30 hours a week playtime (when work permitted).

I've played the PTS, and I tell you now that after you have adapted to the changes there is no fun left.

Having to use a Hvy Attack every second or third action to avoid running out of resources isn't fun, it destroys the fast paced combat that made ESO enjoyable, and it 100% destroys any hope of genuine build/rotation diversity.

If that was happening to you, I hate to break it to you, but you didn't adapt.

Especially the idea that it destroys diversity.

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

I want to stay playing ESO, I've made some great friends in the Guild I am in, and would really miss them if we were no longer able to play ESO together. But well over 50% of my guild has already left - thanks to the appalling state of gameplay (there really isn't any to be honest) on the PTS.

I want to be able to justify my Monthly Sub, and I really, really wanted to join the hype-train for Morrowind (heck at one point I was one click away from buying the Morrowind Collector's Edition).

Ironically, if you had, due to a bug, you probably would have been able to test run the warden.

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

But the truth is to justify that outlay I need to be having fun, and I need to feel that my custom is valued - when Morrowind goes live ESO will be delivering neither of those things.

And to your final point, people who claim that other players leaving will be a blessing really do deserve everything they will get - which is closed down game servers.

To be fair, the only group this seems to be, legitimately, alienating, are the raiding community. I know they like to think of themselves as the center of the game, but they're a tiny sliver of the overall population, and not a healthy one. Everytime I see some idiot in zone, in a guild chat, or on these boards unintelligently blathering about how hybrids don't work, or how any approach to the game that doesn't fit within one of Deletia's cookie cutters.

I mean, literally watching someone telling new players they need to run 5/1/1 from the begining, that if they use a 2h or bow they'll never be able to play... frankly it's garbage. It's not helping the game. Yes, when you're trying to push the ceiling, considerations like that start to become relevant, but when you're talking about newbies, playing new content? No, the game will be better off without the people propagating that.

Also, people like you, who've forgotten that, for the newbies, heavy attacking after every third or fourth strike is the game they're familiar with.

It will also be better off without the players telling people to quit. If they don't like the game, you know, legitimately, don't enjoy it, then sure, they'll leave when they get a load of the changes. But, this, "quit now," crap is not healthy for the game either. It's attempting to deny people the opportunity to see if they do affect how they experience the game.

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

ESO needs players. And if my experience, and the experiences we see written about on the PTS forums are in any way representative of what is about to happen then ESO is heading for a disaster. Over 50% of my guild no longer plays, on the PTS forums there a Guild Leaders reporting that upto 90% of their guilds are no longer playing ESO.

And I haven't experienced this in any of my guilds. Okay, the werewolf guild's been semi-dead since about 2015, so I don't think that was the Morrowind PTS. But, hey, maybe there's time travel or something involved.

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Ask yourself this question: how long can ESO really survive if that is replicated across the whole playerbase?

That's not going to happen. Again, the only players who will really feel these changes are ones that are already running heavy recovery builds off their abilities, rather than their stats, and players who have heavily invested into the Champion stars. There are changes, but they specifically affect players who are already, deliberately, pushing beyond the intended DPS ceiling.

You're supposed to be able to do a lot of damage quickly, or pace yourself, and do consistent damage. The current meta leans towards builds that allow players to alpha strike constantly. Which mutilates build diversity.

Remember, the largest chunk of the population are the casuals. They log in, do overworld content, clear a zone, and log off for a couple months before doing this all over again. They don't care about recovery nerfs for capped out characters. They'll never experience that. They may not even know about weaving. For them, life will continue, basically, unchanged.

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

PS: I want ESO and Morrowind to be successful, because that way I get to continue playing a game I really like with people I like playing ESO with; but I genuinely believe that Morrowind is NOT going to make ESO successful, it will make it a laughing stock of the MMORPG industry.

An IP so beloved by gamers that half the MMORPG gamers on the planet should be crawling over broken glass to get their hands on Morrowind; and what does ZoS deliver - a game so bad that even the most ardent fans of the franchise have asked for, and received, their pre-order monies back.

All The Best

I'm still here. Here's the thing, the changes are divisive for members of the community. At the same time, I've seen way too many idiots who haven't even logged onto the PTS crying about how the Warden will be P2W, or how the game will be unplayable, trying desperately to convince newbies to leave now. Which is just flat out garbage.

The existing metagame for veteran PvE has been kinda trash for awhile now. I don't, mean it doesn't work. I mean, it's dull. This is a change that's been awhile coming, because it has seriously carved down the build options. I mean, we currently have a game where hybrid builds (except for tanking) have become a carnival sideshow. If you're not running one of a handful of sets, you're gimping yourself. This has lead to some really vicious behavior from some quarters of the community. If they get run off by this? Yeah, it will be good for the game. It might not feel like it, but their constant naysaying in Zone does not help the game.

At the same time, I've got to sit back and laugh a bit. For ages we've had a lot of players crying about how the game was too easy. Well, the easy button just got taken away. We're back to the beginning, where resources were something you had to meter out over time, rather than spray them all in a single go, and then get a party member to restore your bars. You don't have to like it, I don't have to like it, but, I do. It's kinda refreshing to actually have to think again, rather than just mindlessly spamming.

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Hämähäkki wrote: »

Do i get this right? If i dont buy Morrowind i am not able to play a warden?

Correct.

You have to buy Morrowind to play Warden and to access Vvardenfell, or to use the new PvP Battlegrounds (which are quite fun BTW), and the new Trial (Halls Of fabrication).

All The Best[/quote


This is my biggest problem with this DLC. You should not have to buy it to get the new class, IMHO. All the rest, fine, but the class should open to everyone.