Come on ESO, It's time to ACTUALLY nerf mag sorcs

Thelon · May 2017

Emmagoldman · May 2017

This is so incredibly overboard and not worth even addressing one by one. What are you basing these numbers off of? If you have been playing for over a year, the game is much more balanced then it has ever been. The last changes to preventing crits to proc sets (tremor needs a little nerf along with valedreth) reduced the stam insta gank everything meta. Did you check the last PTS notes? I think it's *almost* exactly where it needs to be. If you are missing the days of being able to kill everything with one rotation as a stamblade, those days are hopefully past.

The devs do not need to make any drastic changes, all of which, you are proposing. I think they are going the right direction.

They have:
1. nerfed shards. Any more is over the top but honestly I felt they were fine.

2. bone pirate: now it only procs if hit when shields are down. Meaning a tanking sorc that can dps won't be as typical. This was a major problem for the class and probably the biggest issue of sorcs.

3. Dark deal is now at 1.2 seconds. I think they should leave dark deal at 1.2 but add if interrupted, the timer cooldown is increased to 3 seconds along with a cost to mag and stanima. (risk vs reward and counter play)

Shields:
Please stop! suggestions of 33% reduced strength? Do you realize that will kill off an entire class in game or leave it to one gear set up? The class is generally reduced to 1 dps set and 1 sustain.

See how these changes work next patch and watch the pts. Again, knee jerk isn't the way forward.

LordSlif · May 2017

you_got_exposed wrote: »

We seriously need to nerf mag sorcs. They are way too strong in pvp right now. Too many players playing sorc that are getting carried by their class, they would get *** on if they played on any other class. Throughout the existence of eso, mag sorcs have always been the strongest class no mater what update. Every other class always had their highs and lows, but sorcs always stay OP. They even dominate in pve too. Why does zos feel the need to make sorcs this much better than everyone? In order to put mag sorc inline with other classes, I will make these suggestions:

1. Reduce the damage of frags and all it's morphs by 25%. 10% isn't enough, this skill is way too strong and needs a nerf for once

2.Reduce ALL shields by 33%. The shields in this game are ridiculous and they carry way too many players. Stop spamming wards and GET GUD.

3. Increase the cost of crushing shock by 33%. Too many trribads spam the *** out of this ability that hits like a damn truck. L2P and GET GUD

4. Reduce the damage of curse by 40% and have hit after 6 seconds, and again after 6 seconds. This ability is stupid OP and hits for way too much damage. An undodgable ability like this should not be able to hit this hard. Make it inline with POTL. GET GUD

5. Increase cost of mines but 15% and reduce the damage by 50%. These mines hit like a *** truck and it blows my mind that an ability this strong is in the game. Way too many terribad sorcs just sit in their mines and get carried by them. L2P

6. Reduce the damage of Eye of the Storm by 25%. Yes, I know this isn't a sorc ability, but it's way too *** strong and so many awful sorcs get carried by this ability. This is also a zerg player's best friend so please nerf the *** out of this morph.

7. Increase the cast time of Dark Deal to 2 seconds and reduce it's effectiveness by 25%. This ability is so ridiculous and is way too strong right now. It allows awful sorcs to have endless resources, and with the resource changes next patch, you can't have this strong of an ability to stay the way it is.

Make these changes and mag sorc will be inline with all the other classes and we will see less players being carried by their class and broken abilities. I've played this game since launch, and I'm fed up with these sorcs and ZOS really has to do something about it. I'm probably the best magnb in the game, and nobody can touch me in a duel, especially on the PC NA server. I'm not some *** pug thats bad at the game, I'm a veteran that knows the changes that need to be made with this broken class. Cmon ZOS, I'm believing you will make these changes.

ridiculous. Ive made a post to fix pirate skeleton, it is a good set for sorcs, and im telling u this is ridiculous, stop

LordSlif · May 2017

And now with this new champions point system (50points = 75%) do u know what gonna happen with shattering blows right? So after put on
Blessed
Dot or direct damage
Mag or physical damage
Penetration or whatever u want
Put ur champions points on shattering blows and go play. 18,8% more dmg on shields with 50 pointa btw.
And my main is a templar not a sorc btw

Father_X_Zombie · May 2017

Oh god another one, I wish Zos would nerf us to the ground just so people would whine about something else

FleetwoodSmack · May 2017

I hope they nerf everything so much that we have resort to killing each other with shoes.

Seri · May 2017

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

I hope they nerf everything so much that we have resort to killing each other with shoes.

That's all we'll be able to afford next patch.

Also, I disagree with pretty much every suggestion in first post.

Biro123 · May 2017

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

I hope they nerf everything so much that we have resort to killing each other with shoes.

Nerf shoes!

Minalan · May 2017

Truth. CyrusArya farms sorcs on his stamplar

MisterBigglesworth · May 2017

Once again the Sorcerer Illuminati swoops in and launches a counterfactual campaign against this totally objective assessment from the reputable and unimpeachable @you_got_exposed

When those who stand up against The Sorc-igarchy are marginalized by society...
ask yourself... who stands to gain?
#nerfsorc2017

Irylia · May 2017

you_got_exposed wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

I will pay (100$) the person who tells me (finds out) who this person is.

Requirements:
-@ name
-Character name

This is also "Le exposer" on yt, correct?

You are perfect example of a player carried by your class.. you can't play anything else but sorc! You get *** on when you play any other class and it's humorous.

Should you not play what you enjoy? There are clear weaknesses in a msorc and things that they cannot do that all stam can. Why do you think those top tier players are stam and stick to stam?

I play stamdk, stam nb and I have magplars. I enjoy playing them every now and again and I do just fine on them. Easier for me to 1vx on stamdk than msorc tbh.

What if I duel you on something other than msorc, will you come forth then?

you_got_exposed · May 2017

Irylia wrote: »

you_got_exposed wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

I will pay (100$) the person who tells me (finds out) who this person is.

Requirements:
-@ name
-Character name

This is also "Le exposer" on yt, correct?

You are perfect example of a player carried by your class.. you can't play anything else but sorc! You get *** on when you play any other class and it's humorous.

Should you not play what you enjoy? There are clear weaknesses in a msorc and things that they cannot do that all stam can. Why do you think those top tier players are stam and stick to stam?

I play stamdk, stam nb and I have magplars. I enjoy playing them every now and again and I do just fine on them. Easier for me to 1vx on stamdk than msorc tbh.

What if I duel you on something other than msorc, will you come forth then?

you take this game too seriously.. this post was to trigger players like you that treat this game like real life

you_got_exposed · May 2017

CyrusArya wrote: »

you_got_exposed wrote: »

you are a zerg player.. you have no input on this

ya...ok. Even if I was a zerg player, thats irrelevant to the argument. Wouldn't change the fact that I don't struggle with sorcs 1v1 any more or less so than other classes played well. Looks like you're as incompetent in discourse as you are in PvP.

Hiding behind anonymity is a tactic for trolls and cowards. So which are you? Most likely both.

Just tell us your @ name, or basically admit to being a troll.

stick to being bad you zerg player

Hempyre · May 2017

This is hilarious.

They got nerfed... Hard, awhile back.

They haven't received any buffs since then. Peeps just figured out how to make them work again, gear, skills, etc...

And you want them nerfed because you haven't figured out your ***...

Laughable.

Vapirko · May 2017

Some of this yes. But as someone who really hates mag sorcs and the amount of people who play them and spam the execute from range while mine camping, these nerfs would straight up make mag sorcs a walking pinata. I can only agree with a couple things here. Yes, shields are a bit OP, imo sorcs should not be able to tank, and most cant. But often enough you run into one that can hold off 6+ players simply by shield spamming.

Crystal frags, yes this hits way too hard for a move that also disables you. Sure you can dodge roll, or should be able to, but performance is way to horrible in cyro for that to be reliable. So unless youre running miats pvp alerts and have no lag then no luck. But a basic ability should not be able to hit for 18K or more. No other attacks hit this hard except for ultimates, unless maybe some gank builds but theyre squishy as a beached fishy.

Edit: Imagine if DK's stone fist hit as hard as crystal frags, people would be having a fit.

Lokey0024 · May 2017

Its funny because there's distinct difference in opinion between solo players vs "small" group/zergers on how strong msorc is. Then you got people pushing their favorite class adgenda and everyone eventually comes off sounding whiny because the trolls comming to feed.

Simple fact is devs have favorites and wont change. Been that way since the start. (.2 seconds on DD shoulda told you everything u needed to know)

Nerf sorcs

Vapirko · May 2017

Hempyre wrote: »

This is hilarious.

They got nerfed... Hard, awhile back.

They haven't received any buffs since then. Peeps just figured out how to make them work again, gear, skills, etc...

And you want them nerfed because you haven't figured out your ***...

Laughable.

This is so wrong.

Emma_Overload · May 2017

"Throughout the existence of eso, mag sorcs have always been the strongest class no mater what update."

This is a lie. How long have you been playing ESO... three months?

Hempyre · May 2017

Vapirko wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

This is hilarious.

They got nerfed... Hard, awhile back.

They haven't received any buffs since then. Peeps just figured out how to make them work again, gear, skills, etc...

And you want them nerfed because you haven't figured out your ***...

Laughable.

This is so wrong.

How so?

shields nerfed down to 6 seconds.

Blink added a cost increase on reuse (and it still snares for a fraction of a second on use)

Surge. Added cooldown which effectly reduces healing and often leads to *** heals if they proc off a small crit.

Ulti nerf which hit overload sorcs specifically.

The general nerf/uselessness of LA in pvp has hit sorcs harder than any class.

Im sure I missed some...

I don't even main my sorc since the last round of nerfs. I see a few good ones out there and it's because they're good, not OP.

You're *** build and lack of ability doesn't mean the class needs a nerf. It means you need to L2P.

Juhasow · May 2017

you_got_exposed wrote: »

We seriously need to nerf mag sorcs. They are way too strong in pvp right now. Too many players playing sorc that are getting carried by their class, they would get *** on if they played on any other class. Throughout the existence of eso, mag sorcs have always been the strongest class no mater what update. Every other class always had their highs and lows, but sorcs always stay OP. They even dominate in pve too. Why does zos feel the need to make sorcs this much better than everyone? In order to put mag sorc inline with other classes, I will make these suggestions:

1. Reduce the damage of frags and all it's morphs by 25%. 10% isn't enough, this skill is way too strong and needs a nerf for once

2.Reduce ALL shields by 33%. The shields in this game are ridiculous and they carry way too many players. Stop spamming wards and GET GUD.

3. Increase the cost of crushing shock by 33%. Too many trribads spam the *** out of this ability that hits like a damn truck. L2P and GET GUD

4. Reduce the damage of curse by 40% and have hit after 6 seconds, and again after 6 seconds. This ability is stupid OP and hits for way too much damage. An undodgable ability like this should not be able to hit this hard. Make it inline with POTL. GET GUD

5. Increase cost of mines but 15% and reduce the damage by 50%. These mines hit like a *** truck and it blows my mind that an ability this strong is in the game. Way too many terribad sorcs just sit in their mines and get carried by them. L2P

6. Reduce the damage of Eye of the Storm by 25%. Yes, I know this isn't a sorc ability, but it's way too *** strong and so many awful sorcs get carried by this ability. This is also a zerg player's best friend so please nerf the *** out of this morph.

7. Increase the cast time of Dark Deal to 2 seconds and reduce it's effectiveness by 25%. This ability is so ridiculous and is way too strong right now. It allows awful sorcs to have endless resources, and with the resource changes next patch, you can't have this strong of an ability to stay the way it is.

Make these changes and mag sorc will be inline with all the other classes and we will see less players being carried by their class and broken abilities. I've played this game since launch, and I'm fed up with these sorcs and ZOS really has to do something about it. I'm probably the best magnb in the game, and nobody can touch me in a duel, especially on the PC NA server. I'm not some *** pug thats bad at the game, I'm a veteran that knows the changes that need to be made with this broken class. Cmon ZOS, I'm believing you will make these changes.

Sorc was not always the strongest in PvP. I dont know how long are You playing but I advice You to watch pre 1.6 mag dk. Nb and templar also had a times when they dominated PvP . Sorc was always strong but not the strongest with leaving everything behind and that saved him from nerf hammer that happened to other classes.

About that 7 suggestions. My advice for You is to create magsorc go an play it open PvP (not duells) especially solo PvP few months for better knowledge then return and repeat Your suggestions. I laughed like hell reading each of those suggestions one by one because that proves You have completly no idea what are You talking about.

Saying "make this change and sorc will be INLINE with others" proves You dont know in general how magsorc works and You have clearly some l2p issues against sorc in PvP so You decided QQ about this on forum. Your seggestion not even all 7 but atleast 2 of them would destroy class totally. I am not agaisnt nerfing sorc but there are nerfs that are reasonable and well...there are nerfs that You suggest.

Also keep in mind that new changes not even class related that will come with morrowind update can hit some builds more then others so maybe You'll wait with that suggestions ?

Morgul667 · May 2017

Vapirko wrote: »

Some of this yes. But as someone who really hates mag sorcs and the amount of people who play them and spam the execute from range while mine camping, these nerfs would straight up make mag sorcs a walking pinata. I can only agree with a couple things here. Yes, shields are a bit OP, imo sorcs should not be able to tank, and most cant. But often enough you run into one that can hold off 6+ players simply by shield spamming.

Crystal frags, yes this hits way too hard for a move that also disables you. Sure you can dodge roll, or should be able to, but performance is way to horrible in cyro for that to be reliable. So unless youre running miats pvp alerts and have no lag then no luck. But a basic ability should not be able to hit for 18K or more. No other attacks hit this hard except for ultimates, unless maybe some gank builds but theyre squishy as a beached fishy.

Edit: Imagine if DK's stone fist hit as hard as crystal frags, people would be having a fit.

I agree with shield stacking and destruction staff ultimate being a little too powerful.

But for tanking,I tend to see DK and Templars holding off many people and having no problem. I see sorcerers do that too, but quite less often. Sorcerers mainly TP to survive (which is boring too but is a kind of gameplay). The only class that seems truely squishy is nightblade (if they cant cloak to escape).

Frag damage down to 10% instead of 25% seem like a reasonable nerf to PVP but time will tell. My only concern is that it will nerf non PET PVE builds. Im bored with PET builds and dont play sorc anymore for that reason and the fact that many people are playing them now. I used to play Sorcerer when they were not in a good place (few patches ago) and very few people played them.

Now I enjoy playing DK and other classes. Playing other classes helped me to understand many things about their gameplay, strength and weaknesses.

Barbaran · May 2017

learn to keep shuffle up. at LEAST 2 of sorcs combo abilities will be dodged automatically and you will not die.
hit vigor as soon as you see curse applied.
learn to dodge roll frags.
GET GUD

Waffennacht · May 2017

This can't be real, it has to be a troll post.

No way someone literally asks for every main ability to be nerfed.

Ward, Frag, Curse, Mines - that's the class
Eye, and Pulse - that's all the spammables and ults.
Dark Deal - the only heal, nerfed by 75% in your example

Surprised you didn't throw in Necropotence and Familiar

DHale · May 2017

Another baddie trying to bring the skill level down.

Morvane · May 2017

NERF SORC ABILITIES BY 100% GET GUD AND L2P WITH HEAVY ATTACKS

grim_tactics · May 2017

Yet again another child refusing to learn how to counter and wants ZOS to hold their whittle hand.

Beyond ridiculous.

Just play a different game already and take your rage rants elsewhere

Vapirko · May 2017

Morgul667 wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Some of this yes. But as someone who really hates mag sorcs and the amount of people who play them and spam the execute from range while mine camping, these nerfs would straight up make mag sorcs a walking pinata. I can only agree with a couple things here. Yes, shields are a bit OP, imo sorcs should not be able to tank, and most cant. But often enough you run into one that can hold off 6+ players simply by shield spamming.

Crystal frags, yes this hits way too hard for a move that also disables you. Sure you can dodge roll, or should be able to, but performance is way to horrible in cyro for that to be reliable. So unless youre running miats pvp alerts and have no lag then no luck. But a basic ability should not be able to hit for 18K or more. No other attacks hit this hard except for ultimates, unless maybe some gank builds but theyre squishy as a beached fishy.

Edit: Imagine if DK's stone fist hit as hard as crystal frags, people would be having a fit.

I agree with shield stacking and destruction staff ultimate being a little too powerful.

But for tanking,I tend to see DK and Templars holding off many people and having no problem. I see sorcerers do that too, but quite less often. Sorcerers mainly TP to survive (which is boring too but is a kind of gameplay). The only class that seems truely squishy is nightblade (if they cant cloak to escape).

Frag damage down to 10% instead of 25% seem like a reasonable nerf to PVP but time will tell. My only concern is that it will nerf non PET PVE builds. Im bored with PET builds and dont play sorc anymore for that reason and the fact that many people are playing them now. I used to play Sorcerer when they were not in a good place (few patches ago) and very few people played them.

Now I enjoy playing DK and other classes. Playing other classes helped me to understand many things about their gameplay, strength and weaknesses.

Sure DKs can tank and should be able to, almost all their passives work into tanking. However, a DK built to tank primarily cannot then turn around and use class skills to fry an opponent as a mag sorc can. If you don't build a dk to tank they go down fairly easily and have no shields to speak of really. DKs only start to hit OP with the presence of MA weapons, or some tremorscale combos.

Tempah · May 2017

this would make or pve dps even worse then magicka nightblades

Qbiken · May 2017

You want to nerf magsorc/sorcs but take up suggestions to nerf skills from other skillines......

Way to go OP

Qbiken · May 2017

SnubbS wrote: »

The only issue with Sorcs is shields—it's only ever been shields. People (Like OP) are either totally lost, or are just so terrible at the game that they can't even pick up on what the real issue with the class is. The answer was not nerfing duration—the answer is to rework how shields work from a fundamental level and give Sorcs a heal. Damage shields as we know them shouldn't even be in the game—maybe they should provide a buff which reduces damage and increases healing for a short time—combine that with a decent class heal. The formula for how healing should work is in the game already—and that's Stambuilds/MagDK—there's no reason for another method of healing that circumvents things like Major/Minor defile, critting etc.

Edit: My MagSorc is AvA 17, My MagDK is AvA 42—I'm hardly a "Tribad" who's maining magsorc.

Give sorc a heal?? Sorc already got 2 class specific heals. Dark deal (don´t know the name of the un-moprhed version) and crit surge (don´t know the name of the un-morphed version here either). Shields isn´t an issue to be honest. They are good in their current situation and you won´t be able to spam Shields the same way when the sustain nerfs with Morrowind.