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Come on ESO, It's time to ACTUALLY nerf mag sorcs
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SnubbS✭✭✭✭✭The only issue with Sorcs is shields—it's only ever been shields. People (Like OP) are either totally lost, or are just so terrible at the game that they can't even pick up on what the real issue with the class is. The answer was not nerfing duration—the answer is to rework how shields work from a fundamental level and give Sorcs a heal. Damage shields as we know them shouldn't even be in the game—maybe they should provide a buff which reduces damage and increases healing for a short time—combine that with a decent class heal. The formula for how healing should work is in the game already—and that's Stambuilds/MagDK—there's no reason for another method of healing that circumvents things like Major/Minor defile, critting etc.
Edit: My MagSorc is AvA 17, My MagDK is AvA 42—I'm hardly a "Tribad" who's maining magsorc.Edited by SnubbS on May 10, 2017 7:21PM0 -
Yuke✭✭✭✭✭i would support this thread if i havent switched to mSorc to still be able to fight outnumbered
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Moglijuana✭✭✭✭✭Pve dps needs to be toned down I agree...but I kill good sorcs all the time in PvP soooo get gud l2p. kbye.0 -
Resipsa131✭✭✭
But Magicka Sorcs are more OP in PvE than in PvP. At least in PvP you can counter them, in PvE how to you counter Mag Sorcs DPS compared to a Magicka NB or hell any other class?DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »Ok this is a prime example of "PVP IS TOO BROKEN PLS NERF" that *** PvE.
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Adernath✭✭✭✭✭@you_got_exposed
You are either a 'beginner' since this is the first thread you started, and never participated in any forum discussion (meaning you have a L2P issue) or you want to hide behind your real account and just created a troll post.0 -
DjMuscleboy02✭✭✭✭✭Resipsa131 wrote: »
But Magicka Sorcs are more OP in PvE than in PvP. At least in PvP you can counter them, in PvE how to you counter Mag Sorcs DPS compared to a Magicka NB or hell any other class?DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »Ok this is a prime example of "PVP IS TOO BROKEN PLS NERF" that *** PvE.
Stop nerfing other classes without touching sorcs. I agree sorcs are too op. I just think that OP's way of going about fixing that is extreme.Brodor - PC NA - ESO's only pure bodybuilding guild
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Kerioko✭✭✭✭1. Frags is one of the easiest abilities in game to avoid either by blocking or a quick dodge roll....L2P
2. Shields are already reduced by 50% via battle spirit. Also with cost reduction removal and sustain nerfs, it will be almost impossible to perma shield stack and still deal decent damage next patch. Also the only reason shields are so strong on sorc is because of pirate skeleton, and this was nerfed into the ground for next patch. So no further changes are needed.
3. Nerf Crushing Shock (Force Pulse), really? This is a staple dps skill for almost all magicka builds, not just sorcs. Aside from the nerf it is already getting through the loss of cost reduction, a further nerf to this skill will make it useless for all ranged magicka builds.
4. Get cursed, if you can't handle the damage, use purge....L2P
5. If you die to mines, you need to delete your game. They don't move, they are easy to see, and you are not required to run into them....L2P
6. Good sorcs don't use eye, they use negate and encase to hold you in place and prevent you from healing while the other members in their group use eye!
7. Got increased to 1.2 sec last patch. I think 1.5 would be a good cast time, 2 sec makes it useless!Dinosaur Chicken Nuggets - Argonian mNB Tank/Heals (PVP)
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LordSlif✭✭✭✭you_got_exposed wrote: »We seriously need to nerf mag sorcs. They are way too strong in pvp right now. Too many players playing sorc that are getting carried by their class, they would get *** on if they played on any other class. Throughout the existence of eso, mag sorcs have always been the strongest class no mater what update. Every other class always had their highs and lows, but sorcs always stay OP. They even dominate in pve too. Why does zos feel the need to make sorcs this much better than everyone? In order to put mag sorc inline with other classes, I will make these suggestions:
1. Reduce the damage of frags and all it's morphs by 25%. 10% isn't enough, this skill is way too strong and needs a nerf for once
2.Reduce ALL shields by 33%. The shields in this game are ridiculous and they carry way too many players. Stop spamming wards and GET GUD.
3. Increase the cost of crushing shock by 33%. Too many trribads spam the *** out of this ability that hits like a damn truck. L2P and GET GUD
4. Reduce the damage of curse by 40% and have hit after 6 seconds, and again after 6 seconds. This ability is stupid OP and hits for way too much damage. An undodgable ability like this should not be able to hit this hard. Make it inline with POTL. GET GUD
5. Increase cost of mines but 15% and reduce the damage by 50%. These mines hit like a *** truck and it blows my mind that an ability this strong is in the game. Way too many terribad sorcs just sit in their mines and get carried by them. L2P
6. Reduce the damage of Eye of the Storm by 25%. Yes, I know this isn't a sorc ability, but it's way too *** strong and so many awful sorcs get carried by this ability. This is also a zerg player's best friend so please nerf the *** out of this morph.
7. Increase the cast time of Dark Deal to 2 seconds and reduce it's effectiveness by 25%. This ability is so ridiculous and is way too strong right now. It allows awful sorcs to have endless resources, and with the resource changes next patch, you can't have this strong of an ability to stay the way it is.
Make these changes and mag sorc will be inline with all the other classes and we will see less players being carried by their class and broken abilities. I've played this game since launch, and I'm fed up with these sorcs and ZOS really has to do something about it. I'm probably the best magnb in the game, and nobody can touch me in a duel, especially on the PC NA server. I'm not some *** pug thats bad at the game, I'm a veteran that knows the changes that need to be made with this broken class. Cmon ZOS, I'm believing you will make these changes.
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FriedEggSandwich✭✭✭✭✭
✭you_got_exposed wrote: »We seriously need to nerf mag sorcs. They are way too strong in pvp right now. Too many players playing sorc that are getting carried by their class, they would get *** on if they played on any other class. Throughout the existence of eso, mag sorcs have always been the strongest class no mater what update. Every other class always had their highs and lows, but sorcs always stay OP. They even dominate in pve too. Why does zos feel the need to make sorcs this much better than everyone? In order to put mag sorc inline with other classes, I will make these suggestions:
1. Reduce the damage of frags and all it's morphs by 25%. 10% isn't enough, this skill is way too strong and needs a nerf for once
2.Reduce ALL shields by 33%. The shields in this game are ridiculous and they carry way too many players. Stop spamming wards and GET GUD.
3. Increase the cost of crushing shock by 33%. Too many trribads spam the *** out of this ability that hits like a damn truck. L2P and GET GUD
4. Reduce the damage of curse by 40% and have hit after 6 seconds, and again after 6 seconds. This ability is stupid OP and hits for way too much damage. An undodgable ability like this should not be able to hit this hard. Make it inline with POTL. GET GUD
5. Increase cost of mines but 15% and reduce the damage by 50%. These mines hit like a *** truck and it blows my mind that an ability this strong is in the game. Way too many terribad sorcs just sit in their mines and get carried by them. L2P
6. Reduce the damage of Eye of the Storm by 25%. Yes, I know this isn't a sorc ability, but it's way too *** strong and so many awful sorcs get carried by this ability. This is also a zerg player's best friend so please nerf the *** out of this morph.
7. Increase the cast time of Dark Deal to 2 seconds and reduce it's effectiveness by 25%. This ability is so ridiculous and is way too strong right now. It allows awful sorcs to have endless resources, and with the resource changes next patch, you can't have this strong of an ability to stay the way it is.
Make these changes and mag sorc will be inline with all the other classes and we will see less players being carried by their class and broken abilities. I've played this game since launch, and I'm fed up with these sorcs and ZOS really has to do something about it. I'm probably the best magnb in the game, and nobody can touch me in a duel, especially on the PC NA server. I'm not some *** pug thats bad at the game, I'm a veteran that knows the changes that need to be made with this broken class. Cmon ZOS, I'm believing you will make these changes.
1. 10% is more than the 8% it was buffed by last patch (destro passive).
2. This will hurt those players who like to only use one ward more than the players who shield stack. I would have hoped this was obvious. Better solution would be to remove shield stacking, I thought that's what reasonable people wanted.
3. I don't care, I don't use the skill.
4. How about reinstate velocious curse so it only explodes once after 3.5s. You can even make it blockable again idc.
5. Hmm, they're already very expensive and don't hit that hard with cp spent wisely. They're also not buffed by the destro passive. This is the point that makes me think you need to l2p, because I wonder if you have any cp spent in elemental defender, or even any situational awareness (hint: mines are static; you have to go to them to take damage from them).
6. I don't care, I don't use the skill.
7. Yeah fine, I don't use the skill.
I would like to see the new destro passive removed, shield stacking removed, and velocious curse reinstated. I don't see the logic in nerfing class skills the patch after buffing all single target abilities by 8%. And haunting curse is obviously a terrible idea for pvp. Shields cannot be individually balanced as long as they can be stacked, so for any hope of shield balance the stacking needs to go.PC | EU0 -
Jacozilla✭✭✭✭✭@OP - say for sake of argument I concede sorcs are 'too strong' in PVE and PVP; and ignoring separate balance issues just lump PVE with PVP. Fine.
Sorcs are clear #1 in dps as dps chars.
For sake of argument, if this is indeed the case, then why aren't you editing this thread to say ALL classes better by significant degree at anything should be massively nerfed?
Good players can make viable roles out of any class. That said, most people would say Templars are clear winners in the healer role. Just because others are viable doesn't mean Templars aren't as clear healer favorites as sorcs in dps. *Wardens change this but let's stick with what we had and still have on live
Same for tanks. Not saying other classes can't tank. They clearly can. But it is also clear that DKs are de facto the top tanks.
So even assuming sorcs are top dps - that people stand like target dummies through entire combat and hence target dummy dps actually means live vs theoretical, why isn't your nerf call raging at clear healer favorite and tank?
If it is wrong for sorcs to be 'too good' at dps, at what do you say class X is 'too good' at healing or tanking? Or is your selective bias only towards dps?
My .02 cents is role specific measurements will always have one class outshining the others at any given time. It is also ignorance to ignore the periods when sorcs were clearly not on top (mag DK, stam NB, etc had their moments including long periods right after launch).
Even if sorcs were pulled down (again), by your logic then whoever was #2, and is now #1, is outshining the rest and hence the nerf cycle repeats all over again.
The class that really needs attention isn't sorc, dk, or Templar - who is anywhere from clear favorite to 'really good place' in dps, tanking, and healing. It is the poor NB that isn't positioned to be the prime dps, heals, or tank.
At least sorc, Templar, and DK had a pillar of the game they were excellent at. NBs after a time of being dominant have been in a funk. So if anything, your energy and ranting should be directed towards the one class it is fairly reasonably agreed doesn't have the spotlight in one of the three main roles - dps, heal, tank.
Because again, say for sake of argument sorcs are massively nerfed - and ignoring a lot of what you asked for hits non-sorcs more than sorcs (for gods sake you're nerfing every mag build destro staff skill + ultimate because you want to squash sorcs?)
Then what? Does the poor NB player feel any better? His class is still ***, relatively speaking. He still has no core pillar the class is good at. Only an idiot NB player looks at sorcs getting heavy nerf, his class not changed at all, and thinks - sweet, now I feel better about not being good at dps, heals, or tanking and the red headed step child of current classes. But hey, at least those pesky sorcs aren't tops in dps anymore.
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✭✭✭@you_got_exposed
You are either a 'beginner' since this is the first thread you started, and never participated in any forum discussion (meaning you have a L2P issue) or you want to hide behind your real account and just created a troll post.
Oh it's not his first thread. His first thread on this account, which seems to have been made exclusively for that purpose, was an attempt to "expose" a certain banned player that he believed came back on a new account. It was even more entertaining than this one.1 -
Resipsa131✭✭✭
I never get to run trials on my Magblade I'm always told jump on your MagSorc. Yeah that would make me feel better, a lot better actually.Then what? Does the poor NB player feel any better? His class is still ***, relatively speaking. He still has no core pillar the class is good at. Only an idiot NB player looks at sorcs getting heavy nerf, his class not changed at all, and thinks - sweet, now I feel better about not being good at dps, heals, or tanking and the red headed step child of current classes. But hey, at least those pesky sorcs aren't tops in dps anymore.
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✭✭✭✭I don't normally say Learn to Play, and instead to give constrictive, reasoned feedback with examples and numbers.. I'm not sure its appropriate in this case..
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grim_tactics✭✭✭✭✭Once you have people actually gain access to target skeletons and test the numbers, it becomes easy to see (at least for PvE) which classes are too strong or too weak, and which skills/combos are dealing too much damage.
But then I come to the Forums and a thread like this will show up that is legit filled with the worst ideas possible with no regard for balance. A typical way of saying to totally gut a class because it kills you too much.
Everyone talks bad about Wrobel but the significant majority of people have no clue what they're talking about.
Also aren't you that guy who's on his second Forum account, made specifically to create a thread to anonymously name and shame someone in-game you thought was on a new account? smh
The people who make these threads are the people that ruin games when companies listen to them.
They are fine completely killing a class and making it unusable as long as their character is left untouched.
I really wish instead of whining about a skill or a playstyle they would actually put the time and effort into learning counterplay. The time it took me to write this is long enough for someone to get on Google and actually search MagSorc Counterplay.
How much hand holding do people need?
Must be the people who complain that aren't willing to change their playstyle so they cry and complain and hope ZOS will help them instead of them helping themselves. I have no idea.0 -
Jacozilla✭✭✭✭✭Resipsa131 wrote: »
I never get to run trials on my Magblade I'm always told jump on your MagSorc. Yeah that would make me feel better, a lot better actually.Then what? Does the poor NB player feel any better? His class is still ***, relatively speaking. He still has no core pillar the class is good at. Only an idiot NB player looks at sorcs getting heavy nerf, his class not changed at all, and thinks - sweet, now I feel better about not being good at dps, heals, or tanking and the red headed step child of current classes. But hey, at least those pesky sorcs aren't tops in dps anymore.
Ok, if that's your opinion - fair enough. Can't really say an opinion is right or wrong.
That said - as I said in my post - then you're one of those idiot NB players. Not an idiot overall - that's too extreme. Just an idiot in this specific NB situation and context.
You're admitting that your NB is being excluded from content because it is not equal or near equal in any of the 3 core pillars of the game (dps, heal, or tanking). So you're asked to jump on your sorc, which you don't want to do. Understood, and more than fair to be upset about it.
If you say sorcs getting further nerfs will make you feel better, ok. But still doesn't deny or change your NB is still in weak position in ALL roles. Still doesn't change that you'll either be asked to jump on whatever class/build was #2 and is now #1 after the sorc nerf. You're still not playing your NB.
If you want to play your NB in content you are claiming being excluded from - and the only change that happened was not an improvement of your situation but someone else getting dumped on so they are possibly in your same excluded situation, all you have is the same status quo. That's idiocy.
Your car is broken down on side of road. You feel better not because your car is fixed but because other motorists have their cars zapped and are now also broken down on side of road with you. Takes a certain kind of mentality to admit that would make you a lot happier.
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✭✭✭haha, its funny, you tell other people to get good but sound like you get your teeth kicked in by sorcs all day. I play all classes and don't struggle with sorcs at all. So sounds to me like you just need to learn to play and get good.
Whats your @ name btw? just curious so I can confirm my assumptions.Edited by CyrusArya on May 10, 2017 8:13PM6 -
geonsocal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭thank you @you_got_exposed ...
normally I feel so restricted by trying to adhere to the constraints of civility...you've skillfully eliminated that concern for myself and others...
you are a superb next level kind of troller...
you've put just enough in your post to attract a few like minded folks while expertly getting under the skin of a large amount of regular posters...
bravo...
Edited by geonsocal on May 10, 2017 8:15PMPVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place0 -
Irylia✭✭✭✭✭
✭I will pay (100$) the person who tells me (finds out) who this person is.
Requirements:
-@ name
-Character name
This is also "Le exposer" on yt, correct?
Edited by Irylia on May 10, 2017 8:26PM3 -
grim_tactics✭✭✭✭✭haha, its funny, you tell other people to get good but sound like you get your teeth kicked in by sorcs all day. I play all classes and don't struggle with sorcs at all. So sounds to me like you just need to learn to play and get good.
Whats your @ name btw? just curious so I can confirm my assumptions.
^ This is truly the answer to everyone of these threads that gets created daily. Couldn't agree more.Edited by grim_tactics on May 10, 2017 8:24PM0 -
Azurethe✭✭✭I love this post dog, I agree with pretty much everything and hope they go through with it0
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you_got_exposed✭✭✭haha, its funny, you tell other people to get good but sound like you get your teeth kicked in by sorcs all day. I play all classes and don't struggle with sorcs at all. So sounds to me like you just need to learn to play and get good.
Whats your @ name btw? just curious so I can confirm my assumptions.
you are a zerg player.. you have no input on this3 -
you_got_exposed✭✭✭I will pay (100$) the person who tells me (finds out) who this person is.
Requirements:
-@ name
-Character name
This is also "Le exposer" on yt, correct?
You are perfect example of a player carried by your class.. you can't play anything else but sorc! You get *** on when you play any other class and it's humorous.4 -
Magdalina✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭you_got_exposed wrote: »I will pay (100$) the person who tells me (finds out) who this person is.
Requirements:
-@ name
-Character name
This is also "Le exposer" on yt, correct?
You are perfect example of a player carried by your class.. you can't play anything else but sorc! You get *** on when you play any other class and it's humorous.
At least these people have the guts to post here on their real accounts and not hide them.
Go on, show yourself. Surely you have nothing to hide with this deep all classes-wide knowledge of the game you have, right?2 -
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✭✭✭you_got_exposed wrote: »
you are a zerg player.. you have no input on this
ya...ok. Even if I was a zerg player, thats irrelevant to the argument. Wouldn't change the fact that I don't struggle with sorcs 1v1 any more or less so than other classes played well. Looks like you're as incompetent in discourse as you are in PvP.
Hiding behind anonymity is a tactic for trolls and cowards. So which are you? Most likely both.
Just tell us your @ name, or basically admit to being a troll.Edited by CyrusArya on May 10, 2017 8:51PM3
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