Are we are paying to be nerfed

NyassaV
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Someone had to say what many of us are thinking. This is by far the worst handled balancing I have seen, I am not a vet gamer like some as I haven't been around since Elder Scrolls Arena came out, but I've played a fair amount of MMOs and this is till the worst balanced. I am wiling to tolerate and in some cases even support ZoS but right now it's hard for me to do that. I WILL NOT QUIT this game, I'm still going to play my minmaxed and still kinda crappy PvE stamplar. But I've dropped a fair amount of money on this game and ZoS is struggling to fix things. I've talked to many end game players and many RPers who barely do dungeons... Even the crappy build RPers are upset. They were not competeivie players but they had fun, now not so much. I'm still going ton sub, I'm still going to buy things here and there, but many will not. And @Wrobel I can think of so many end-game players that would love to help you and give you ideas and tell you what needs to be done so if you need that kind of feed back then go hit them up, heck, send me an e-mail and I'll give you a list of things that are wrong, a totally unbiased list that will make Deltia slowly sneak back to the game. Thing is, we can give all the feedback you want... But your hearing seems to be selective, ZoS, either that or you don't care, which I do not believe. I've posted a list of things that need to be fixed on the forum before and not one of them was touched in a patch, not even remotely. 3/20 of your changes in each patch notes where things players even asked for, some of them are gifts from a mischievous Daedric prince who loves to put wicked twists on the gifts they bestow mortals.

Effectively, this time around, we are paying ZoS to screw us over. Good luck ZoS, the community WANTS to be with you, but are having a hard time doing that at the moment. I eagerly await the time where I can defend you in my guild's chat without being ridiculed. Hit me up if you want that list. I'm sure Alcast or Gilliamtherouge would love to do the same
Edited by NyassaV on May 10, 2017 6:39PM
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  • Ladislao
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    ZOS introduce such changes as the balance requires, and not what the players want. Of course, there will be dissatisfied people in each patch, because their favorite class has weakened. But this is necessary for the overall balance ;)
    Everything is viable
  • Edziu
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    who paying, someone paying...I just dropped my sub and not buiyng morrowind because of nerf as endgame player who missing only vMoL hm on stamblade lol, just git gud and go to other game
    Edited by Edziu on May 10, 2017 7:37PM
  • Edziu
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    Ladislao wrote: »
    ZOS introduce such changes as the balance requires, and not what the players want. Of course, there will be dissatisfied people in each patch, because their favorite class has weakened. But this is necessary for the overall balance ;)

    but all other patches wasnt that worse like this with just many nails into coffins
  • Tholian1
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    The nerfs are free.
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  • Turelus
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    Edziu wrote: »
    Ladislao wrote: »
    ZOS introduce such changes as the balance requires, and not what the players want. Of course, there will be dissatisfied people in each patch, because their favorite class has weakened. But this is necessary for the overall balance ;)

    but all other patches wasnt that worse like this with just many nails into coffins

    That's because all the last patches were the the cautions tweaks and continued buff/increase on CP which lead us to this place.
    It's like, they can do something dramatic now, everyone freak out and then in six months not even care about more, or they can spend the next four years doing one tweak every three months to slowly bring it back and cause the same effect.
    @Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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  • Sn1per0
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    I am curious how many people remember VR12 and VR14 days.
    This patch will not even be as close to making us as weak as we were back then.

    Power creep has taken over since then and we need to be balanced down.
    If they don't balance us down then they need to scale up the content which would leave us in the same position.

    BoL use to heal 3 people way back when and now it only heals 2. People complained and said it would be terrible. But guess what, most don't even remember BoL healed 3.
  • Edziu
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    Turelus wrote: »
    Edziu wrote: »
    Ladislao wrote: »
    ZOS introduce such changes as the balance requires, and not what the players want. Of course, there will be dissatisfied people in each patch, because their favorite class has weakened. But this is necessary for the overall balance ;)

    but all other patches wasnt that worse like this with just many nails into coffins

    That's because all the last patches were the the cautions tweaks and continued buff/increase on CP which lead us to this place.
    It's like, they can do something dramatic now, everyone freak out and then in six months not even care about more, or they can spend the next four years doing one tweak every three months to slowly bring it back and cause the same effect.

    so this is why could be enough just nerf cp system instead of just finishing now other classes with arrow in the knee
  • Rohamad_Ali
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    They can have this penny when they pull it from cold dead paws ...
  • HugeMuffin
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    I'll be honest, I am more excited about the forum responses than I am about the new content. I can't wait to see what people think when they realize that their builds, toons, and favorite classes were broken in cyrodiil and vet dungeons/trials just to be balanced in pay-for-access battlegrounds.

    I've read so many well thought out, well reasoned posts and replies here, watched well researched and put together videos on what could be better and why what is coming is bad that I know that one of those posts had to make it through the cloud of aloofness and be read or watched by a dev.

    But they aren't listening, they don't care about overworld, or delves, or dungeons, or trials, or cyrodiil. This patch is all about battlegrounds. They had their chance to show they were listening and that they cared about Balance and not just balanced-for-battlegrounds.

    They deserve every drop of ire that comes their way after the 22nd. Do you smell the popcorn cooking?
  • Turelus
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    Edziu wrote: »
    Turelus wrote: »
    Edziu wrote: »
    Ladislao wrote: »
    ZOS introduce such changes as the balance requires, and not what the players want. Of course, there will be dissatisfied people in each patch, because their favorite class has weakened. But this is necessary for the overall balance ;)

    but all other patches wasnt that worse like this with just many nails into coffins

    That's because all the last patches were the the cautions tweaks and continued buff/increase on CP which lead us to this place.
    It's like, they can do something dramatic now, everyone freak out and then in six months not even care about more, or they can spend the next four years doing one tweak every three months to slowly bring it back and cause the same effect.

    so this is why could be enough just nerf cp system instead of just finishing now other classes with arrow in the knee
    As much as I despise the CP system, gutting it at this point wouldn't be a good business idea for them.
    The games not as bad as the drama llamas have made out, they'll all be back to crying about gankblades in six months.
    @Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
    "Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."
  • Edziu
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    Turelus wrote: »
    Edziu wrote: »
    Turelus wrote: »
    Edziu wrote: »
    Ladislao wrote: »
    ZOS introduce such changes as the balance requires, and not what the players want. Of course, there will be dissatisfied people in each patch, because their favorite class has weakened. But this is necessary for the overall balance ;)

    but all other patches wasnt that worse like this with just many nails into coffins

    That's because all the last patches were the the cautions tweaks and continued buff/increase on CP which lead us to this place.
    It's like, they can do something dramatic now, everyone freak out and then in six months not even care about more, or they can spend the next four years doing one tweak every three months to slowly bring it back and cause the same effect.

    so this is why could be enough just nerf cp system instead of just finishing now other classes with arrow in the knee
    As much as I despise the CP system, gutting it at this point wouldn't be a good business idea for them.
    The games not as bad as the drama llamas have made out, they'll all be back to crying about gankblades in six months.

    like not long ago I saw on forum how someone was miussing TG/DB patch with stamblade meta while looking now on sorc meta etc...NB was atleast easy to kill in compare to other classes :|
  • Subversus
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    I remember just 2 patches ago when literally everyone was complaining about stamina being the most overpowered evarrrrrr

    How times change :unamused:
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    Sn1per0 wrote: »
    I am curious how many people remember VR12 and VR14 days.
    This patch will not even be as close to making us as weak as we were back then.

    Power creep has taken over since then and we need to be balanced down.
    If they don't balance us down then they need to scale up the content which would leave us in the same position.

    BoL use to heal 3 people way back when and now it only heals 2. People complained and said it would be terrible. But guess what, most don't even remember BoL healed 3.

    Right. I remember how the forums were full of people complaining how Doshia is impossible to kill... That was one tough fight. But now? When was the last time anyone complained about that one? 2 years ago? It's a shame how easy the game got, used to be such a fun challenge.
  • Sn1per0
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    Sharee wrote: »
    Sn1per0 wrote: »
    I am curious how many people remember VR12 and VR14 days.
    This patch will not even be as close to making us as weak as we were back then.

    Power creep has taken over since then and we need to be balanced down.
    If they don't balance us down then they need to scale up the content which would leave us in the same position.

    BoL use to heal 3 people way back when and now it only heals 2. People complained and said it would be terrible. But guess what, most don't even remember BoL healed 3.

    Right. I remember how the forums were full of people complaining how Doshia is impossible to kill... That was one tough fight. But now? When was the last time anyone complained about that one? 2 years ago? It's a shame how easy the game got, used to be such a fun challenge.

    Remember when Vet COA (now #2) took 1 1/2 hours to complete even with the skips. Now its like 30 min.
    Edited by Sn1per0 on May 10, 2017 10:08PM
  • Dantaria
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    Sn1per0 wrote: »
    I am curious how many people remember VR12 and VR14 days.
    This patch will not even be as close to making us as weak as we were back then.

    Power creep has taken over since then and we need to be balanced down.
    If they don't balance us down then they need to scale up the content which would leave us in the same position.

    BoL use to heal 3 people way back when and now it only heals 2. People complained and said it would be terrible. But guess what, most don't even remember BoL healed 3.
    But they had buffed the content, hadn't they?

    Warror had ~400k HP back then, afaik. And now game is balanced around current numbers.

    Of course content is an easy speed-run for a maxed-out perfectly organised group. It is supposed to be this way, hard-work must be rewarded. But for everyone else?

    I'm just back from RLing relaxed vAA raid for newbies. People were ~400CP + one guy 200CP. We wiped on "copies boss", still can't memorize her name :D And Mage took like... 7+ minutes? :D

    Tell me about power creep :D

    EDIT. P. S. And now, now, they're nerfing players. But not content. 10+ minutes battle? With 1/3 (at least!) of it being HAs? Great. Thanks :s
    Edited by Dantaria on May 10, 2017 11:45PM
    English isn't my native, apologies for any mistakes.
  • Sugaroverdose
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    Nope, you don't pay to be nerfed, pay you or not - you will be nerfed with base game patch :)
    Subversus wrote: »
    I remember just 2 patches ago when literally everyone was complaining about stamina being the most overpowered evarrrrrr

    How times change :unamused:
    Stamsorc is still superior due to zero nerfs to it's main sustain and healing tool
    Edited by Sugaroverdose on May 10, 2017 11:48PM
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