Naaah people would much more appreciate an update that addresses known bugs, and PTS reported issues in addition to resolving crashing in dlc towns or lack of loading textures and resolving ESO plus crowns for Xbox one as well as text chat virtual keyboard and voice chat servers that no longer work for many per threads in the last 40 days

Sigtric wrote: »

Everyone has a choice.
Over the years, there have been countless games that launch on PC and Console that have variances between the two. Sometimes it's gameplay mechanics, sometimes it is content, other times it's method of access, addons/mods, ability to configure UI, preorder bonuses, item bonuses/so on and so forth.

You have a choice to play a game on your preferred platform and you should accept the limitations or differences that come with it.

You chose to play on a platform that has a restricted ecosystem within. All code that runs through a console must be preapproved. This takes time. You say fair? I say stop being selfish. It's not my fault your platform requires this and mine doesn't.

Fair? Maybe this is squaring up the nearly year long content drought I went through while all dev effort was centered on making the game available to you on console.

IOW: you are entitled nothing more than what the preorder bonuses listed on the purchase page at the time of purchase stated.

I get what you're saying and agree to a certain extent such as choosing console over PC, the console player should expect for the graphics to not be quite up to par.

But things such as PC having early access and console not, that's not something that was ever relayed from ZOS to the player base therefor its not something that a player SHOULD expect when choosing between platforms.

If anything it makes more sense for a player to believe things like "early access" would be equal between all platforms as that's not something that hardware affects.

I understand the preapproval process required by Sony/Microsoft but the developers could also designate enough time and resources ahead of time to get it done by the target date, which would be 05/22 in this case. It's easy to blame Microsoft/Sony but their policy has remained the same for years.

Fact of the matter is that ZOS didn't feel the manpower and resources was worth getting console ready for the early access.

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Let's be fair. Or come up with different solution. We are all looking forward to Morrowind, not just PC.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Why would they you should be greatful they even took the time to go cross platform at launch they claimed it would be PC only

I don't think they ever said ESO would be PC only. In June 2013 Sony announced it would be on their platform, so . . . yeah . . no. ZOS, however, should be grateful they get some console gamers considering the inferior version of the game.

KingKush wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Everyone has a choice.
Over the years, there have been countless games that launch on PC and Console that have variances between the two. Sometimes it's gameplay mechanics, sometimes it is content, other times it's method of access, addons/mods, ability to configure UI, preorder bonuses, item bonuses/so on and so forth.

You have a choice to play a game on your preferred platform and you should accept the limitations or differences that come with it.

You chose to play on a platform that has a restricted ecosystem within. All code that runs through a console must be preapproved. This takes time. You say fair? I say stop being selfish. It's not my fault your platform requires this and mine doesn't.

Fair? Maybe this is squaring up the nearly year long content drought I went through while all dev effort was centered on making the game available to you on console.

IOW: you are entitled nothing more than what the preorder bonuses listed on the purchase page at the time of purchase stated.

I get what you're saying and agree to a certain extent such as choosing console over PC, the console player should expect for the graphics to not be quite up to par.

But things such as PC having early access and console not, that's not something that was ever relayed from ZOS to the player base therefor its not something that a player SHOULD expect when choosing between platforms.

If anything it makes more sense for a player to believe things like "early access" would be equal between all platforms as that's not something that hardware affects.

I understand the preapproval process required by Sony/Microsoft but the developers could also designate enough time and resources ahead of time to get it done by the target date, which would be 05/22 in this case. It's easy to blame Microsoft/Sony but their policy has remained the same for years.

Fact of the matter is that ZOS didn't feel the manpower and resources was worth getting console ready for the early access.

Console has always gotten things late, that precedent is already set.
Release was over a year after PC release. Content DLCs and patches are a couple weeks out. It's always been this way.

Now we have where the content officially launches for both platforms on the same day. Full access for anyone whose purchased it on any platform on launch day. This doesn't change.

As for certifications, it is NOT that easy to designate enough time because the code behind the purchase is in flux and is based on the product submitted. They have to get cert on what is going to be sold. The 'final' product. Patches to fix things seem to be different and aren't held to the same scrutiny as far as I can tell.

But, on the other hand, you can throw all this out the window really. Let's suppose they really didn't care about console like people seem to think. WHY would they even bother then? Console seems to be nothing but a thorn in the side of the game, to hear the console players talk about it.

But it's about money right? That's the next argument that usually pops up. Seems to me they could have sold a ton more preorders for PC by using EA as a selling point way back in February.

andreasv wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Let's be fair. Or come up with different solution. We are all looking forward to Morrowind, not just PC.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Why would they you should be greatful they even took the time to go cross platform at launch they claimed it would be PC only

I don't think they ever said ESO would be PC only. In June 2013 Sony announced it would be on their platform, so . . . yeah . . no. ZOS, however, should be grateful they get some console gamers considering the inferior version of the game.

No, in the beginning it was pc only when the information came out in 2012. You might be able to find the original announcement on the Wayback Machine. I was on the forums, hosted on Bethesda's site then. Many posts pointing out "pc only".

Sony asked that it come to ps4, and then it also went to xbox. I think that announcement was in 2013.

KingKush wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Let's be fair. Or come up with different solution. We are all looking forward to Morrowind, not just PC.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Why would they you should be greatful they even took the time to go cross platform at launch they claimed it would be PC only

Word of advice,

STFU if you don't know what you're talking about.

Thanks!

He is not necessarily wrong. The original trailer and press releases and official announcements on game news sites only ever mentioned PC/Mac at first.

The announcement press release in may 2012 stated it was being developed for PC and Mac. The console development was not announced until E3 in June 2013. In fact, the console announcement a bit over a year after the PC announcement was the "big news", in ZOS' own words. http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/2013/06/14/e3-2013-coverage-roundup

Its not ZoS, good lord!

Its Sony and Microsoft.... we have discussion every week...

Starting to sound like Charlie Browns teacher... wha wha wha, wha, wha wha wha wha wha

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Early access to console subs... make it so!

It’s something we’d like to do, but due to the time needed for certification of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One ESO: Morrowind clients, we are not able to offer early access for our console players.


It's Xbox and Playstation that aren't letting it happen on consoles

I'll take this instead and we'll call it even

http://eso.mmo-fashion.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/12/New-Life-Festival-Cap-Female-Side.jpg

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Its not ZoS, good lord!

Its Sony and Microsoft.... we have discussion every week...

Starting to sound like Charlie Browns teacher... wha wha wha, wha, wha wha wha wha wha

@ThePaleItalian

Care to explain how it's Sony and Microsoft when ZOS hasn't submitted the update for cert yet?

Please read the post above this.

@ThePaleItalian

I did that's why I quoted you. Ginas comment isn't that they submitted and Xbox and Sony delayed the release it's that they haven't submitted for cert and won't do so until after PC is ready but then it takes time to go through certification so ZOS decided to release pc early rather than on June 6th.

Go back and read all relevant dev fracker comments on this and then please respond to my question if warranted.

Did she say due to the time needed? Read what she said. I am just stating that if anything ever goes wrong or people don't get something, its always on ZoS. I was on PC to start and I jumped to PS4.

Does anyone ever go after Sony or Microsoft? Just curious.

lol this is not something new or old, hell Xbox people have gotten more love from Call of Duty then PS players and vise versus PS players gotten more stuff over Xbox people for Destiny.

This was first and foremost a PC game those of us that were here for beta, to the opening months this game, and to now have always gotten content first over consoles. There is no need nor do console players deserve any type of compensation just like for PC players do not deserve compensation.

Woeler wrote: »

You decided to buy an on purpose limited machine with ridiculous release policies and checks all developers have to go through and that are a total pain in the ass.

Totally your own choice.

Yeah but it's not eso on PC vs eso on console. I really do doubt that most console players saw eso and thought "Man I'm gonna buy an Xbox/Ps4 to play that game!" More than likely, like myself, they had the system and saw a 20$ on sale game vs ~600-1200$ for a decent PC then got hooked.

However, you're also not wrong. If I could do it over, I'd definitely buy it for PC and stomach my terrible laptop while I grind, until I got PC parts.

So they are delivering you all the content you bought, on the day stated for release, and now you want more from them? At one point you agreed to it being a good value, when you pre-ordered it. Now you think it isn't because somebody has theirs first? Guess what, it has all been done on PTS already anyway.

The funniest part of this fiasco is in ESO Live and on the forums (because I asked the question) they said console and PC will be receiving the same game and patch.

Now they are saying that the early edition for PC will come with next weeks PTS patch and there may be another included at launch June 6th.

So assuming that next week is the final week before cert for consoles, what's this launch patch for PC if console and PC are getting the same game? (Not that it matters seeing as PC and console don't play cross-platform with each other obviously)

ZOS constantly contridicts itself I don't know why so many of us are surprised when this stuff happens.