Funniest part about the burning spellweave nerf

Decado · May 2017

So I like everyone else has seen the upcoming nerf to burning spell weave, and I had to say I laughed so hard when I saw the reasoning, here is the comment from patch notes

Burning Spellweave: Decreased the proc chance to 15% from 20%, and decreased the Spell Damage bonus to 525 from 600.
Developer Comments:
Spoiler
Burning Spellweave is currently one of the most dominant Magicka DPS sets in the game, which limits diversity in set gearing. We’ve slightly reduced the proc chance and Spell Damage it grants so it is more in-line with other Item Set options, and is only a more attractive option when you are using many Flame Damage attacks.

Are you kidding me or just high? You nerfed the set to make builds more diverse?? Why kinda nonsense is this, there will never be diversifying in end game PvE, people will work out this is be best set for magicka (maybe difference in class) and literally everyone will then go and run the set this is BiS for their class, your not going to get diversifying people will always wear the best even if it's only a 1% difference.

Literally the only people who would wear a worse set would be for roleplaying and that's just not a reason to nerf things.

I'm not counting the guys who run different sets for group buffs etc I'm just talking about the guys who gear their chars to provide the maximum DPS possible in a raid. If you have 5 sorcs who's sole job is doing the most damage possible I can guarantee all those 5 sorcs will be wearing identical gear (assuming RNG doesn't royally *** them over)

Anyway made me laugh at their excuse and/ or reasoning

Not discussing the nerf wether it will still be best/viable since there is loads of those topics around just had a good laugh at the reason

Rinmaethodain · May 2017

At the same time they buffed a expansion exclusive magicka dps set coming from trial...

Thrasher91604 · May 2017

The reason for the change is bogus. Don't believe it.

The REAL reason is that to keep the game interesting they have to keep changing the rules and stats to prevent the game from stagnating. Some people thrive on tracking this stuff.

Of course they forget that some of us only have so much tolerance for farming for new gear every time a new patch comes out.

Leandor · May 2017

Or, you could see it this way: Before, BSW. Now, class dependant.

Scathing mage becomes interesting for high crit builds. War maiden for builds with less flame damage. Choices.

Rohamad_Ali · May 2017

Can't wait to RP in full BSW ... Said no RP'er ever .

Vaoh · May 2017

If there were different BiS sets based on class, I would call that pretty awesome and a success. It's bland asf seeing six pets running all over the place with every non-pet DPS running around with glowing orange arms...

Btw no need to worry. Burning Spellweave is still BiS on every DPS that isn't a Pet Sorc or Magicka Warden.

FleetwoodSmack · May 2017

IronCrystal · May 2017

Like @Thrasher91604, most games do rebalancing to simply change the meta, not try to diversify it.

Although I'll admit there was a slight diversity in this (Homestead) meta where some sorcs ran BSW some ran Necropotence.

flizomica · May 2017

Honestly. I'm really hopeful that other stuff becomes mathematically better because BSW is SO UGLY AND IM TIRED OF WEARING IT

MasterSpatula · May 2017

I love OP's use of the word literally. Like, literally every player is either a Leaderboard chasing min-maxer or a RPer. Nothing else exists.

Oakmontowls_ESO · May 2017

To be fair it was a little too strong when compared to similar sets. bsw has a maximum of 400 spell damage with max uptime and 129 spell damage where as scathing mage has a max of 516 spell damage with a 100% uptime but it also has to overcome 2 levels of rng (crits and proc) and bsw procs a burning effect which will boost the damage of blockade as well. And when compared to the closest stamina set Briar heart, it has a maximum of 299 weapon damage at max uptime but it does have a negligible healing component.
On a side note, i didn't realize how bad briar heart was. It's literally hundings rage with a small heal at best but is most likely going to be much worse than hundings in practice.

geonsocal · May 2017

i have 8 fairly different characters, keeping us is getting really challenging...maybe BiS and min/max ain't that crucial...

why is winning that damn important anyways...

did they nerf fishing yet???

Alpheu5 · May 2017

Pretty sure a few weeks ago I saw comments from players about how BSW is so good that there's no reason to run anything else most of the time, and they wished it wasn't almost mandatory that they run it to get reasonable DPS.

STEVIL · May 2017

Decado wrote: »

So I like everyone else has seen the upcoming nerf to burning spell weave, and I had to say I laughed so hard when I saw the reasoning, here is the comment from patch notes

Burning Spellweave: Decreased the proc chance to 15% from 20%, and decreased the Spell Damage bonus to 525 from 600.
Developer Comments:
Spoiler
Burning Spellweave is currently one of the most dominant Magicka DPS sets in the game, which limits diversity in set gearing. We’ve slightly reduced the proc chance and Spell Damage it grants so it is more in-line with other Item Set options, and is only a more attractive option when you are using many Flame Damage attacks.

Are you kidding me or just high? You nerfed the set to make builds more diverse?? Why kinda nonsense is this, there will never be diversifying in end game PvE, people will work out this is be best set for magicka (maybe difference in class) and literally everyone will then go and run the set this is BiS for their class, your not going to get diversifying people will always wear the best even if it's only a 1% difference.

Literally the only people who would wear a worse set would be for roleplaying and that's just not a reason to nerf things.

I'm not counting the guys who run different sets for group buffs etc I'm just talking about the guys who gear their chars to provide the maximum DPS possible in a raid. If you have 5 sorcs who's sole job is doing the most damage possible I can guarantee all those 5 sorcs will be wearing identical gear (assuming RNG doesn't royally *** them over)

Anyway made me laugh at their excuse and/ or reasoning

Not discussing the nerf wether it will still be best/viable since there is loads of those topics around just had a good laugh at the reason

So, while you have a nice little skree going here - what is the alternative you prefer?

you are complaining that when they see a set over-performing they tone it down so folks can choose multiple options.

what is the alternative - just go ahead a put out a "clear obvious meta set" so everybody knows what to wear?

The process, methodology and goal are all sound. The fact that it wont succeed in 100% of the cases is not proof the idea is bad. We don't catch all pickpockets but that doesn't mean we dont try. We dont cure all rashes but that doesn't mean we dont try. Changing the oil routinely wont stop your car from breaking down, but its still better if you do it.

The net result of moving sets closer in performance is not necessarily that everyone will magically choose different sets, but that those who do wear different sets are not necessarily at such an uphill climb as to be non-competitive.

The one-percenters will always find the way. But if someone can get to the five percenter without grinding bsw sharperned staves, that is a good thing too.

WhiteMage · May 2017

The really high burst it provides is an integral part of my ranged destro magplar build. I would have preferred a reduced uptime on it while remaining just as potent so it could serve its purpose in PvP while not being hands-down the best PvE set.

t3hdubzy · May 2017

Is a chancd at 75 more spell power some of the time, worth it? Theres 4 more sets that offer 100 percent up time of the same power. Clever alchemist offers more, but at a higher cool down cost.....

People will run between 4 and 5 other sets for max dps, which gets them to their point, but theyve rendered bsw imo useless.

Im upset because after about 6 months of warding off pve grinds for gear i spent 2 weeks grinding for the jewlery, because rng kept skipping me over.

Decado · May 2017

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I love OP's use of the word literally. Like, literally every player is either a Leaderboard chasing min-maxer or a RPer. Nothing else exists.

So your saying if you were told BSW was BiS by a big margin you would still run around in twice born star? You don't have to be a 'leaderboard chancing min-maxed' to choose the better set, what other logical reason would there be to purposely wear gear that would produce LOWER DPS? ( *** RNG doesn't count)

STEVIL wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

So I like everyone else has seen the upcoming nerf to burning spell weave, and I had to say I laughed so hard when I saw the reasoning, here is the comment from patch notes

Burning Spellweave: Decreased the proc chance to 15% from 20%, and decreased the Spell Damage bonus to 525 from 600.
Developer Comments:
Spoiler
Burning Spellweave is currently one of the most dominant Magicka DPS sets in the game, which limits diversity in set gearing. We’ve slightly reduced the proc chance and Spell Damage it grants so it is more in-line with other Item Set options, and is only a more attractive option when you are using many Flame Damage attacks.

Are you kidding me or just high? You nerfed the set to make builds more diverse?? Why kinda nonsense is this, there will never be diversifying in end game PvE, people will work out this is be best set for magicka (maybe difference in class) and literally everyone will then go and run the set this is BiS for their class, your not going to get diversifying people will always wear the best even if it's only a 1% difference.

Literally the only people who would wear a worse set would be for roleplaying and that's just not a reason to nerf things.

I'm not counting the guys who run different sets for group buffs etc I'm just talking about the guys who gear their chars to provide the maximum DPS possible in a raid. If you have 5 sorcs who's sole job is doing the most damage possible I can guarantee all those 5 sorcs will be wearing identical gear (assuming RNG doesn't royally *** them over)

Anyway made me laugh at their excuse and/ or reasoning

Not discussing the nerf wether it will still be best/viable since there is loads of those topics around just had a good laugh at the reason

So, while you have a nice little skree going here - what is the alternative you prefer?

you are complaining that when they see a set over-performing they tone it down so folks can choose multiple options.

what is the alternative - just go ahead a put out a "clear obvious meta set" so everybody knows what to wear?

The process, methodology and goal are all sound. The fact that it wont succeed in 100% of the cases is not proof the idea is bad. We don't catch all pickpockets but that doesn't mean we dont try. We dont cure all rashes but that doesn't mean we dont try. Changing the oil routinely wont stop your car from breaking down, but its still better if you do it.

The net result of moving sets closer in performance is not necessarily that everyone will magically choose different sets, but that those who do wear different sets are not necessarily at such an uphill climb as to be non-competitive.

The one-percenters will always find the way. But if someone can get to the five percenter without grinding bsw sharperned staves, that is a good thing too.

I wasn't complaining about the nerf or saying I prefer another way i was simply pointing out and laughing at the reasoning they used for the nerf.

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

Pointless Thread is Pointless

Mate half the posts on the forum are pointless, would you prefer I complained about the nerf? Or maybe I should write another nerf sorc thread? I'm not sure we have enough of those?

MasterSpatula · May 2017

Decado wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I love OP's use of the word literally. Like, literally every player is either a Leaderboard chasing min-maxer or a RPer. Nothing else exists.

So your saying if you were told BSW was BiS by a big margin you would still run around in twice born star? You don't have to be a 'leaderboard chancing min-maxed' to choose the better set, what other logical reason would there be to purposely wear gear that would produce LOWER DPS? ( *** RNG doesn't count)

Well, I've never had Twice-Born Star, but yes. I would wear what I enjoy. I would wear what meshes best with the playstyle that feels comfortable to me, not chase the meta.

Also, I think farming hard content for gear that serves no purpose other than making that same hard content easier is straight-up idiotic.

I don't need to be the best. I don't even want to be the best. I just want to enjoy myself.

neal_brasier · May 2017

Mate half the posts on the forum are pointless, would you prefer I complained about the nerf? Or maybe I should write another nerf sorc thread? I'm not sure we have enough of those? [/quote]

I think we need more posts on how everyone will leave once morrowind comes out

Decado · May 2017

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I love OP's use of the word literally. Like, literally every player is either a Leaderboard chasing min-maxer or a RPer. Nothing else exists.

So your saying if you were told BSW was BiS by a big margin you would still run around in twice born star? You don't have to be a 'leaderboard chancing min-maxed' to choose the better set, what other logical reason would there be to purposely wear gear that would produce LOWER DPS? ( *** RNG doesn't count)

Well, I've never had Twice-Born Star, but yes. I would wear what I enjoy. I would wear what meshes best with the playstyle that feels comfortable to me, not chase the meta.

Also, I think farming hard content for gear that serves no purpose other than making that same hard content easier is straight-up idiotic.

I don't need to be the best. I don't even want to be the best. I just want to enjoy myself.

In that case I hate to break it to you my friend, but you might just be a roleplayers /

neal_brasier wrote: »

Mate half the posts on the forum are pointless, would you prefer I complained about the nerf? Or maybe I should write another nerf sorc thread? I'm not sure we have enough of those?

I think we need more posts on how everyone will leave once morrowind comes out [/quote]

This is true this shall be my next post however no one is allowed my stuff! Is shall sit on my account never to be seen again

olsborg · May 2017

Someone I know pointed something out to me.

The sets that are getting nerfed are sets not behind a paywall, the strong sets not getting nerfed are behind a dlc/paywall. Prove me wrong zos.

greylox · May 2017

Not the worst nerf, I'd already gone from necro/BSW to necro/elegance anyway on my sorc cos of the upcoming heavy attack meta and will likely only still use BSW on my magDk.

altemriel · May 2017

Decado wrote: »

So I like everyone else has seen the upcoming nerf to burning spell weave, and I had to say I laughed so hard when I saw the reasoning, here is the comment from patch notes

Burning Spellweave: Decreased the proc chance to 15% from 20%, and decreased the Spell Damage bonus to 525 from 600.
Developer Comments:
Spoiler
Burning Spellweave is currently one of the most dominant Magicka DPS sets in the game, which limits diversity in set gearing. We’ve slightly reduced the proc chance and Spell Damage it grants so it is more in-line with other Item Set options, and is only a more attractive option when you are using many Flame Damage attacks.

Are you kidding me or just high? You nerfed the set to make builds more diverse?? Why kinda nonsense is this, there will never be diversifying in end game PvE, people will work out this is be best set for magicka (maybe difference in class) and literally everyone will then go and run the set this is BiS for their class, your not going to get diversifying people will always wear the best even if it's only a 1% difference.

Literally the only people who would wear a worse set would be for roleplaying and that's just not a reason to nerf things.

I'm not counting the guys who run different sets for group buffs etc I'm just talking about the guys who gear their chars to provide the maximum DPS possible in a raid. If you have 5 sorcs who's sole job is doing the most damage possible I can guarantee all those 5 sorcs will be wearing identical gear (assuming RNG doesn't royally *** them over)

Anyway made me laugh at their excuse and/ or reasoning

Not discussing the nerf wether it will still be best/viable since there is loads of those topics around just had a good laugh at the reason

bump

Qbiken · May 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

So I like everyone else has seen the upcoming nerf to burning spell weave, and I had to say I laughed so hard when I saw the reasoning, here is the comment from patch notes

Burning Spellweave: Decreased the proc chance to 15% from 20%, and decreased the Spell Damage bonus to 525 from 600.
Developer Comments:
Spoiler
Burning Spellweave is currently one of the most dominant Magicka DPS sets in the game, which limits diversity in set gearing. We’ve slightly reduced the proc chance and Spell Damage it grants so it is more in-line with other Item Set options, and is only a more attractive option when you are using many Flame Damage attacks.

Are you kidding me or just high? You nerfed the set to make builds more diverse?? Why kinda nonsense is this, there will never be diversifying in end game PvE, people will work out this is be best set for magicka (maybe difference in class) and literally everyone will then go and run the set this is BiS for their class, your not going to get diversifying people will always wear the best even if it's only a 1% difference.

Literally the only people who would wear a worse set would be for roleplaying and that's just not a reason to nerf things.

I'm not counting the guys who run different sets for group buffs etc I'm just talking about the guys who gear their chars to provide the maximum DPS possible in a raid. If you have 5 sorcs who's sole job is doing the most damage possible I can guarantee all those 5 sorcs will be wearing identical gear (assuming RNG doesn't royally *** them over)

Anyway made me laugh at their excuse and/ or reasoning

Not discussing the nerf wether it will still be best/viable since there is loads of those topics around just had a good laugh at the reason

So, while you have a nice little skree going here - what is the alternative you prefer?

you are complaining that when they see a set over-performing they tone it down so folks can choose multiple options.

what is the alternative - just go ahead a put out a "clear obvious meta set" so everybody knows what to wear?

The process, methodology and goal are all sound. The fact that it wont succeed in 100% of the cases is not proof the idea is bad. We don't catch all pickpockets but that doesn't mean we dont try. We dont cure all rashes but that doesn't mean we dont try. Changing the oil routinely wont stop your car from breaking down, but its still better if you do it.

The net result of moving sets closer in performance is not necessarily that everyone will magically choose different sets, but that those who do wear different sets are not necessarily at such an uphill climb as to be non-competitive.

The one-percenters will always find the way. But if someone can get to the five percenter without grinding bsw sharperned staves, that is a good thing too.

lol, who *** farms CoA for the staff?? lmao

clocksstoppe · May 2017

They didn't nerf it to make builds more diverse. All builds will now be War Maiden instead of BSW. The difference? Of course, one is base game and the other is from Morrowind.

Zyrudin · May 2017

Decado wrote: »

In that case I hate to break it to you my friend, but you might just be a roleplayers /

Either that or he has a life outside a game on the internet and feels secure enough in his ego to not need to waste away competing for a virtual mention in a list called... what was the name again? Erm... "leaderboard", was it?
Maybe he is even competing for an actual prize in real life, who knows? Maybe he even has a life, you know, the healthy, fulfilling type. It could happen.

It is rare, but people that play ESO and have achievements and interests outside of ESO do exist and we bump into them from time to time.

Weirdos.

kuro-dono · May 2017

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I love OP's use of the word literally. Like, literally every player is either a Leaderboard chasing min-maxer or a RPer. Nothing else exists.

well said there! i didnt bother with chasing the bis set. since you got it like true *** farming either solo or running tru the normal city of ash, as noobdy cared for the jewelry, how comical is that? BEST SET gained via killing trashy mobs and trashy bosses and easily soloed. well done you all who feel like bosses for getting it golded.

another issue ofcourse is the fact that ppl are so damn obsessed having the ultimate dps. my *** isnt long enough i need spellweave! i cant tolerate doing dungeon in 19min when i could do it in 16min! boohoo.

STEVIL · May 2017

olsborg wrote: »

Someone I know pointed something out to me.

The sets that are getting nerfed are sets not behind a paywall, the strong sets not getting nerfed are behind a dlc/paywall. Prove me wrong zos.

Lich, necro, Warwick, etc

Plenty of strong sets that may well be stronger on the morrow not getting needed that are not behind paywall.

Elegance, spinners, spriggans etc etc etc etc

Zyrudin · May 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Someone I know pointed something out to me.

The sets that are getting nerfed are sets not behind a paywall, the strong sets not getting nerfed are behind a dlc/paywall. Prove me wrong zos.

Lich, necro, Warwick, etc

Plenty of strong sets that may well be stronger on the morrow not getting needed that are not behind paywall.

Elegance, spinners, spriggans etc etc etc etc

That Warwick set looks like a buff!
(Kidding

)

Gandrhulf_Harbard · May 2017

So while homogenising the classes, making build diversity ever harder to achieve, they nerf one of the few genuinely good sets in the game because doing so will "increase build diversity"?

There are only two options left aren't there?

Either:
1) They think we are idiots and will accept any old BS they throw our way, or
2) They are idiots and genuinely have no clue what they are doing.

Smart money is on the second option.

All The Best

DMuehlhausen · May 2017

Decado wrote: »

So I like everyone else has seen the upcoming nerf to burning spell weave, and I had to say I laughed so hard when I saw the reasoning, here is the comment from patch notes

Burning Spellweave: Decreased the proc chance to 15% from 20%, and decreased the Spell Damage bonus to 525 from 600.
Developer Comments:
Spoiler
Burning Spellweave is currently one of the most dominant Magicka DPS sets in the game, which limits diversity in set gearing. We’ve slightly reduced the proc chance and Spell Damage it grants so it is more in-line with other Item Set options, and is only a more attractive option when you are using many Flame Damage attacks.

Are you kidding me or just high? You nerfed the set to make builds more diverse?? Why kinda nonsense is this, there will never be diversifying in end game PvE, people will work out this is be best set for magicka (maybe difference in class) and literally everyone will then go and run the set this is BiS for their class, your not going to get diversifying people will always wear the best even if it's only a 1% difference.

Literally the only people who would wear a worse set would be for roleplaying and that's just not a reason to nerf things.

I'm not counting the guys who run different sets for group buffs etc I'm just talking about the guys who gear their chars to provide the maximum DPS possible in a raid. If you have 5 sorcs who's sole job is doing the most damage possible I can guarantee all those 5 sorcs will be wearing identical gear (assuming RNG doesn't royally *** them over)

Anyway made me laugh at their excuse and/ or reasoning

Not discussing the nerf wether it will still be best/viable since there is loads of those topics around just had a good laugh at the reason

See this thought process is the problem. Your thinking is to micro. You only care about BiS meta. You realize that makes up probably less than 1% of the population of the game right. Yes no matter sets are out there or how balanced skills are you going to have EJs like you who only accept people if they have BiS in every slot and the perfect skill rotation.

That is all fine and good if you are a progression based trial guild. The problem is that line of thinking is starting to filter down to Vet and even Normal dungeons sometimes. I've seen people get kicked and the reason people gave was they weren't the optimal race/class combination.

Changes ZoS make will never be made with the maybe .05% population that do vet trials, or the maybe 10% that solely PvP. The decisions are made based around the remaining players that do most things the game has to offer, and aren't in a hurry to get anywhere and just enjoy their time. Those are the people that keep games like this going no the raiders, or the PvPers.