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Pirate Skeleton and Shields
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LordSlif✭✭✭✭grim_tactics wrote: »As a Sorc I think this set needs to be taken out.
I mean - if I shield, this procs, and I'm at low health as Vamp - unkillable.
I enjoy running Skoria with lightning Staff and boundless storm. Confused so many ppl when I immediately chase them down in duels because Boundless will proc Skoria - heavy lightning attacks can't be dodged and keeping Curse up is pretty funny. Add meteor to it and some people think you're somehow hacking when 5-6 meteors just fall from the sky during the fight and theyre laying on the ground from Destructive Reach.
Had 1 guy literally lose his mind because he thought I was hacking meteor Ult even though they look completely different.
Yep. Skeleton + shield + vamp... omg it's op1 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »
You can no longer purge the debuff on console FYI. Still is insane on Templars0 -
LordSlif✭✭✭✭Moglijuana wrote: »
I mean, you're actually totally wrong, the debuff proc is on the same cooldown as the buff, but whatever you think
They fixed that bug btw. You can't purge it anymore. But templars have so much increased healing anyways it doesn't matter lol.
@Lexxypwns
as i said0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Moglijuana wrote: »
I mean, you're actually totally wrong, the debuff proc is on the same cooldown as the buff, but whatever you think
They fixed that bug btw. You can't purge it anymore. But templars have so much increased healing anyways it doesn't matter lol.
@Lexxypwns
as i said
Dude, you thought I was bad, @lexxypwns has ideas that'll make you wanna quit0 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As someone who pvps with this set, Its moronic...Its moronic on all my toons
But its really super moronic on my Sorc.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
ESO and GW2 PvP videos2 -
LordSlif✭✭✭✭So what me and many people think: shields+vamp+skeleton = Really strong shields... So it's very hard to deal damage on health bar... so the minor defile dnt mean anything.
You cant only get the "good side" u must get both sides.2 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Can we... Can we just talk about how awesome Healing Ward flying into the distance is?
Or how it doesn't take us out of execute range?
Defile doesn't hit us as hard because we constantly carry a heal penalty.0 -
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✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »
I joined on this forum after overload nerf
So you have practically no experience in this game, yet call for nerfs...
Yep, Again, like pointed out many times. There are a trove of new players that joined during the proc set meta and have developed a complex in which they believe that sorcs are meant to be ap chips.
@devs The debate of small patches between dev cycles or pts cycle isn't black and white. Proc sets and heavy armor opness should have been nerfed as soon as it was observed how overpowered it was. People played for up to a year and developed a notion and sense of their abilities that were abilities based on armor set procs.
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Emmagoldman✭✭✭✭✭
✭grim_tactics wrote: »As a Sorc I think this set needs to be taken out.
I mean - if I shield, this procs, and I'm at low health as Vamp - unkillable.
I enjoy running Skoria with lightning Staff and boundless storm. Confused so many ppl when I immediately chase them down in duels because Boundless will proc Skoria - heavy lightning attacks can't be dodged and keeping Curse up is pretty funny. Add meteor to it and some people think you're somehow hacking when 5-6 meteors just fall from the sky during the fight and theyre laying on the ground from Destructive Reach.
Had 1 guy literally lose his mind because he thought I was hacking meteor Ult even though they look completely different.
If he can't counter a heavy attack build that is keeping one dot that is weak as hell, and curse which is strong as a bust dot (hold block and it's countered)he deserves to die. Heavy attack builds are weak in pvp because of stuns and roots. A surprise attack, fossilize, lotus fan, snipe ect will counter any heavy dmg build along with LOS.0 -
LordSlif✭✭✭✭Emmagoldman wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »
I joined on this forum after overload nerf
So you have practically no experience in this game, yet call for nerfs...
Yep, Again, like pointed out many times. There are a trove of new players that joined during the proc set meta and have developed a complex in which they believe that sorcs are meant to be ap chips.
@devs The debate of small patches between dev cycles or pts cycle isn't black and white. Proc sets and heavy armor opness should have been nerfed as soon as it was observed how overpowered it was. People played for up to a year and developed a notion and sense of their abilities that were abilities based on armor set procs.
Old players, new players... Dnt matter. They must be listened. But we are not talking about sorcs here, it's about pirate skeleton on shields and many players agree it's not right.4 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
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Got several points, really.
1. No suited magicka damage proc sets.
For a sorc, our choices for damage procs are limited. No Viper. Skoria is difficult to trigger unless you build around it and become a one-trick pony. Grothdar doesn't synergize with any skills, only destro ult. Infernal Guardian is too avoidable.
I'd gladly take a damage set, but they are just not good on magsorc.
2. Healing Ward is effing unreliable
Mentioned above, Healing Ward (and all shields) do not get you out of immediate danger. I can Mage's Wrath through your shields easily if in execute range. In six seconds, you're dead. Can't say that about a Templar healing to full with just one wave.
And of course, in group play, HW might just fly off, leaving you dead.
3. Sorc healing
It already sucks so bad, Defile isn't even necessary. On the contrary, Templars do heal to full even debuffed. Really, only DD HoTs suffer from this negative effect. Like Stamblades.
In summary, this set is BiS not only because of its bonus, but because alternatives are sub-par and we already have experience with its downsides. Bad healing is something we've dealt with since... ever. THAT is why we can deal with Defile, despite it hitting us hard.
I tell you right now, you scrap Skelly from our gear pool, you see Shadowrend+Necro, which can be far worse in circumstances. There is always a way to minimize weaknesses while maximizing effectiveness.
Really, what we need is more alternatives, more BiS gear. Instead of blanket nerfs that won't change anything.2 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So I've been doin some maths, and came to the conclusion:
The only way to get maximum benefit of Pirate Skele is to be a light armor and or shield user.
Looking at the damage calculations page, it occurred to me, if you have any armor mitigation it reduces the effective amount of damage mitigated by Pirate Skele.
It's a multiplicative equation, meaning less returns based on the amount of different mitigation sources.
So to actually receive 30% damage reduction, you must have 0 armor resistance, only really LA has 0 mitigation and wards have 0 mitigation.
Thanks to this realization, bloodspawn offers only (depending on your resistance) as little as 5% less mitigation without any more minor defile.
I'm dropping pirate at least to test, but I'm sure on my build I'm gimping myself by using it.
Edit: just so you know, I'm aware Skele's mitigation occurs before armor, but the end result is the same, Skele reduces the effectiveness of your armor mitigation.
Also, FYI, if you're at full resistance after all debuffs, then Skele and the ults are the only way to get as much mitigation. However, I believe to have full mitigation via resistance in this environment is to be pushing anywhere from 43k to maximum... I'd say 55k resistance...
I guess the kicker is, mathematically, the best use of Pirate Skeleton is a HA Ward user (healthplar) because they have high armor mitigation and big ward, they would receive maximum use of the resistance, the only dis-synergy would be the fact in say 1v1 scenario or low damage the blazing shield won't be hitting as much. But in 1vX there would be no better option. Unless someone can think of a build that has that high of ward and armor.Edited by Waffennacht on May 6, 2017 11:55PM0 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Major protection is too much on any two piece set. It needs to be MINOR protection without a proc.
Can you imagine how slimecraw would be with a proc chance and MAJOR berserk?
There is a reason they didn't do that, it's asinine. But for some reason ZOS has a blind (or stupid) spot for major protection...2 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No one would use 8% damage mitigation over 8% damage increase. Especially considering diminishing returns.
You know, maybe just decreasing the mitigation strength would do the trick. Instead of giving you Major Protection for 30%, why not give it a unique buff? Give it, say, 20% mitigation and 8% heal debuff?0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No one would use 8% damage mitigation over 8% damage increase. Especially considering diminishing returns.
You know, maybe just decreasing the mitigation strength would do the trick. Instead of giving you Major Protection for 30%, why not give it a unique buff? Give it, say, 20% mitigation and 8% heal debuff?
Then you could stack that with major protection giving wards +44% mitigationEdited by Waffennacht on May 7, 2017 7:56AM0 -
grim_tactics✭✭✭✭✭Emmagoldman wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »As a Sorc I think this set needs to be taken out.
I mean - if I shield, this procs, and I'm at low health as Vamp - unkillable.
I enjoy running Skoria with lightning Staff and boundless storm. Confused so many ppl when I immediately chase them down in duels because Boundless will proc Skoria - heavy lightning attacks can't be dodged and keeping Curse up is pretty funny. Add meteor to it and some people think you're somehow hacking when 5-6 meteors just fall from the sky during the fight and theyre laying on the ground from Destructive Reach.
Had 1 guy literally lose his mind because he thought I was hacking meteor Ult even though they look completely different.
If he can't counter a heavy attack build that is keeping one dot that is weak as hell, and curse which is strong as a bust dot (hold block and it's countered)he deserves to die. Heavy attack builds are weak in pvp because of stuns and roots. A surprise attack, fossilize, lotus fan, snipe ect will counter any heavy dmg build along with LOS.
Tell that to the people I'm constantly beating with this that ask what I'm running.
Boundless Storm - Destructive Reach - and Lightning Staff all proc Skoria. Also, I do just fine in PvP running this same build.
Curse doesn't proc Skoria.
It doesn't even have to be a heavy attack. This build runs 3 dots that will always be up and Skoria is dropping like crazy.
Skoria is also better than Infernal Guardian cause any good player just moves out of the AoE of IG. The only time Skoria is better is huge Zerg fights where people don't pay attention to IG AoE but even then I prefer Skoria when spamming Destructive Reach.
So I'm returning resources and constantly keep DoTs up.
I know Skoria is better on current DK builds but I'm having no issue completely keeping pressure on players with two abilities that can't be blocked and one that puts burning on and knocks down when hits. Even with immovability pots it still causes burning.
Edited by grim_tactics on May 7, 2017 8:16AM0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »No one would use 8% damage mitigation over 8% damage increase. Especially considering diminishing returns.
You know, maybe just decreasing the mitigation strength would do the trick. Instead of giving you Major Protection for 30%, why not give it a unique buff? Give it, say, 20% mitigation and 8% heal debuff?
Then you could stack that with major protection giving wards +44% mitigation
With Panacea, yeah. It IS an ultimate, after all. Can't think of other sources of Major Protection.0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »No one would use 8% damage mitigation over 8% damage increase. Especially considering diminishing returns.
You know, maybe just decreasing the mitigation strength would do the trick. Instead of giving you Major Protection for 30%, why not give it a unique buff? Give it, say, 20% mitigation and 8% heal debuff?
Then you could stack that with major protection giving wards +44% mitigation
With Panacea, yeah. It IS an ultimate, after all. Can't think of other sources of Major Protection.
NB ult I believe too. Um Nova maybe?0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Valley of Blades? Hm, could be. Nova deffo.
Well, those are all ults. So you're giving up destro ult and suchlike. I think that is a fair deal.Edited by Lord-Otto on May 7, 2017 8:59AM0 -
MrTtheDK✭✭✭Cut duration of pirate skeleton in half (6 seconds) 15 second cool downMain:
DC- Diablo Azul , Mr T
Alts: Nerf Something or Another
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