Pirate Skeleton and Shields

Vanzeii

LordSlif wrote: »

It was not the best solution but it was a good solution

It's extremely annoying to go up against so now that it doesnt proc when they have damage shields is nice.

LordSlif

Vanzeii wrote: »

LordSlif wrote: »

It was not the best solution but it was a good solution

It's extremely annoying to go up against so now that it doesnt proc when they have damage shields is nice.

Yep bro! I totally agree. Did u see the spoiler? They did the right thing

kadar

Pirate Skeleton: This item set no longer procs if the damage you take is fully absorbed by a damage shield.
Pirate Skeleton: Increased the proc chance to 8% from 5%.
Developer Comments:
We’ve increased the proc chance on this Item Set to make it more attractive for tanks, but have also added the restriction that it cannot proc on damage shields. This means you will need to take damage to your health in order to proc it, and cannot easily circumvent the Minor Defile penalty. It also adds more risk to utilizing this set as a damage shield user since you must first let your damage shields fall off.

LordSlif

The_Outsider wrote: »

Pirate Skeleton: This item set no longer procs if the damage you take is fully absorbed by a damage shield.
Pirate Skeleton: Increased the proc chance to 8% from 5%.
Developer Comments:
We’ve increased the proc chance on this Item Set to make it more attractive for tanks, but have also added the restriction that it cannot proc on damage shields. This means you will need to take damage to your health in order to proc it, and cannot easily circumvent the Minor Defile penalty. It also adds more risk to utilizing this set as a damage shield user since you must first let your damage shields fall off.

Yes. I saw a few minutes ago, TY for post this here and I'm very satisfied with this nerf, it was nice

KingJ

For once Zos made a good change.

Magıc

Good change for sorcs, not so much for other classes but they weren't the classes abusing it this patch.

Minalan

Magıc wrote: »

Good change for sorcs, not so much for other classes but they weren't the classes abusing it this patch.

Blockplars will still use it just fine, add in the undead passive and they'll be a joy to fight next patch.

LordSlif

i would like to thank the ZOS for care about the players feedback, more specifically this post about pirate skeleton and shields, TY
@Wrobel
@ZOS_GinaBruno

Biro123

They nerfed the right thing. Should separate the average sorcs from the bad.

LordSlif

Yeah bro they made,

KingJ wrote: »

For once Zos made a good change.

There are more to make, lets show some points

Vanzeii

LordSlif wrote: »

Vanzeii wrote: »

LordSlif wrote: »

It was not the best solution but it was a good solution

It's extremely annoying to go up against so now that it doesnt proc when they have damage shields is nice.

Yep bro! I totally agree. Did u see the spoiler? They did the right thing

Yeah I saw I play sorc too, but going against those sorcs using it is a pain. Legit cant do anything most of the time and once they win they act high and mighty.

LordSlif

Vanzeii wrote: »

LordSlif wrote: »

Vanzeii wrote: »

LordSlif wrote: »

It was not the best solution but it was a good solution

It's extremely annoying to go up against so now that it doesnt proc when they have damage shields is nice.

Yep bro! I totally agree. Did u see the spoiler? They did the right thing

Yeah I saw I play sorc too, but going against those sorcs using it is a pain. Legit cant do anything most of the time and once they win they act high and mighty.

Omg! A true sorc here! Gj bro

Minalan

It needed to happen, at least now we'll see more than one monster set on every sorc..

Lord-Otto

Mark my words, Ashen One, you remain among the accursed. Another BiS set combo will be found and you will come back to complain about it. You'll see...
(^_-)

Torbschka

Bloodspawn + resto ulti xD

Biro123

Minalan wrote: »

It needed to happen, at least now we'll see more than one monster set on every sorc..

I already used 2 - at the same time - lol

LordSlif

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Mark my words, Ashen One, you remain among the accursed. Another BiS set combo will be found and you will come back to complain about it. You'll see...
(^_-)

Yeah i agree, if it is op ill be here lol

Lord-Otto

LordSlif wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Mark my words, Ashen One, you remain among the accursed. Another BiS set combo will be found and you will come back to complain about it. You'll see...
(^_-)

Yeah i agree, if it is op ill be here lol

Unless it's your setup, of course...
(^_-)


But anyway, after Infernal Guardian got nerfed, after Pirate Skeleton got nerfed... What competitive monster set is there that compares to stam sets?

Waffennacht

@Lord-Otto what changes to IG? I just went through all of the PTS and saw no mention of IG

Biro123

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Lord-Otto what changes to IG? I just went through all of the PTS and saw no mention of IG

I'm guessing he meant with an earlier patch - no crit, no working on stealth/going through walls etc.

Lord-Otto

But anyway,

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Lord-Otto what changes to IG? I just went through all of the PTS and saw no mention of IG

The old change. The LoS thing and so. People dropped it like a hot potato after that.

Biro, I left crit out because that's global and really didn't change too mucj.

Biro123

I still quite like it, to be fair.. I mean, going for a max mag setup, I normally run 2 mag-mag monster pieces.. But I keep looking at this and thinking... for the price of 930 max magica, I could get... but then again, Engine Guardian may be worth a try now..

Waffennacht

Biro123 wrote: »

I still quite like it, to be fair.. I mean, going for a max mag setup, I normally run 2 mag-mag monster pieces.. But I keep looking at this and thinking... for the price of 930 max magica, I could get... but then again, Engine Guardian may be worth a try now..

My biggest beef with EG on a sorc is streak breaks the line from EG.

Skele just won't proc that much on standard sorc, but is still good on Templars or other beefy builds. Increased proc chance makes it very interesting.

Let's say you're at 20k resistance, or roughly 30% mitigation, that means Skele will provide 21% mitigation and 15% minor defile, on the flip side, Bloodspawn will give you roughly 10% mitigation and ult.

On such a build, a 20k tooltip will look like, against skele, 4900, and spawn 6k, if you have a hot for 1k hps, you'll lose 150 heal on Skele making it look like 5050 vs 6k. Now let's say you run Panacea, at roughly 90 ult cost it gives 4k hps meaning the ult gain of bloodspawn is worth approximately 450 hps. Making the damage value of bloodspawn 5500 vs 6k.

Of course there are several variables, however I do believe on a standard heavy armor wearer Skele just barely beats bloodspawn, however the closer to 27k + resistance, and ult choice bloodspawn just barely beats Skele.

Lord-Otto

Giving me conniptions... Every bloody patch, you're forced to farm something new, because reasons.
(>.>)

Kena might be worth looking at. It kinda gets buffed. And on a heavy attack build (probably meta), the drawbacks are acceptable, I assume.

Other than that, I see nothing good. Guardian is sooo avoidable. Skelli won't proc easily, same with Skoria. Grothdarr is cool, but you typically keep your distance... I dunno. Future looks bleak.

Waffennacht

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Giving me conniptions... Every bloody patch, you're forced to farm something new, because reasons.
(>.>)

Kena might be worth looking at. It kinda gets buffed. And on a heavy attack build (probably meta), the drawbacks are acceptable, I assume.

Other than that, I see nothing good. Guardian is sooo avoidable. Skelli won't proc easily, same with Skoria. Grothdarr is cool, but you typically keep your distance... I dunno. Future looks bleak.

I've heard good things bout Slimecraw, and Shadowrend + Necro.

Lord-Otto

Waffennacht wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Giving me conniptions... Every bloody patch, you're forced to farm something new, because reasons.
(>.>)

Kena might be worth looking at. It kinda gets buffed. And on a heavy attack build (probably meta), the drawbacks are acceptable, I assume.

Other than that, I see nothing good. Guardian is sooo avoidable. Skelli won't proc easily, same with Skoria. Grothdarr is cool, but you typically keep your distance... I dunno. Future looks bleak.

I've heard good things bout Slimecraw, and Shadowrend + Necro.

You might have heard that Shadowrend from me...
x'D
I tested it today. It's cool when it procs, but the chance is plain too low.
Slimecraw might be the winner. For everyone. So much for diversity.

Biro123

I think IG will be good for BG's.. A lot of very confined spaces/ledges/lava etc. will make it hard to avoid IG all the time.

Lord-Otto

Maybe. We'll see.

Minalan

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Giving me conniptions... Every bloody patch, you're forced to farm something new, because reasons.
(>.>)

Kena might be worth looking at. It kinda gets buffed. And on a heavy attack build (probably meta), the drawbacks are acceptable, I assume.

Other than that, I see nothing good. Guardian is sooo avoidable. Skelli won't proc easily, same with Skoria. Grothdarr is cool, but you typically keep your distance... I dunno. Future looks bleak.

I've heard good things bout Slimecraw, and Shadowrend + Necro.

You might have heard that Shadowrend from me...
x'D
I tested it today. It's cool when it procs, but the chance is plain too low.
Slimecraw might be the winner. For everyone. So much for diversity.

8% damage isn't all that. It's about 800 damage on a 10K empowered frag. That's like less than one light attack. I suppose it's good for sustained pressure though.

IG however will do three fireballs at about 3K each, if just one out of three hits then you've just beaten slimecraw for damage and burst. Plus it's an AOE and can't be lol dodged. It's also amazing on the battleground with all of the bridges with everyone all bunched together. Plus there's nothing more satisfying than watching fireballs chase some cursing little gankblade off.

E.G. Will be king in the new Zero sustain game, the stam can be converted to Magicka as quickly as you get it. You can theorycraft more damage on your build instead of sucking on all cost reduction and regen glyphs.

Mismatched max Magicka monster pieces means bigger shields and ultimates even if it's less damage than slime. If your build depends on a clutch play Destro ultimate it's something to consider.

I also wouldn't discount some of the oddball sets, like using swarm mother when you're sitting on a fire rune and set of five mines.

Lord-Otto

Well, I wish IG was reliable, really do. But it barely hits once often enough. Also, no crit, unlike Slimecraw. This is for open world Cyro, of course.

EG... Yoah, depends on the sustain meta. It might become BiS. I wanna see the ultimate changes though, test if that regen is noticeable with all the heavy attacks.

I dunno. I find it depressing. We're being led by ZOS into playing exactly how they want, not us. Kinda toxic approach, if you ask me.