ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Yeah, I don't get why mdk stuff costs so much... I do think that needs toning down.

Throwback to the days when mDK had the best sustain in the game from procing battle roar every 5-10 seconds. Those days are long gone, yet their abilities remain expensive despite them being the class that's supposed to "wear players down."

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

tinbromide wrote: »

I think that people take the level-headed discussions about sorcs still being powerful the wrong way. When people talk about dark deal in siphoning threads, they aren't saying "bring dark deal down", they're saying "The Devs are OK with having this level of sustain left in the game, let's bring siphoning and the other classes up to this level."

Sure, some folks come in and read that the wrong way, but as someone with a bunch of level 50 toons of DK, NB, and Sorc, my wish is for my other toons to be as competitive as my sorcs are.

I wish we could change the narrative from "nerf sorcs" to "The Devs are OK with having this power level in game, let's set it as a baseline and bring the other classes up to within 5-10% of it."

Dark deal is such an insane skill though, and it has implications for the future too. Let's say Zenimax's wetdream happens and hybrid builds become a thing.. you know who is going to abuse that the most? Sorcs.

Even without the heal, the efficiency of this skill is ridiculous and makes any kind of overall game resource management impossible until it is dealt with.

For example, A stam DK would cast igneous (a 4k magika ability) to get 5% of their stam back. Now they get a lot less then 5%, and igneous is a completely useless ability with the removal of mending. Meanwhile look at Dark Deal. You get a much better conversion ratio from Mag to Stam and just to top it off you get a ridiculous heal out of it too.

That's just 1 ability. Combine this with Hurricane and having the best passives for stam, and it's easy to see why Stam/Hybrid Sorc will always be the best setup of it's archetype.

And then there is the monstrosity that is Mag Sorcs...

Please Zenimax just do something about this class.

Sure, nerf away - as long as you give sorcs a passive to return resources every time they use an ulti. There's too much looking at skills in isolation going on with the nerf threads.

You want to go down that route? Fine.

Then make all the Sorc skills cost 4-5k magika and make them all melee which completely limits you to heavy armor in PvP. Now try sustaining those abilities for more than a few seconds. But you'll just ult right? Nope sorry, you need to cast abilities to generate ult.

Yeah, you don't know the struggle.

^^ plus take away implosion and mages wrath(executes are for wimps).. mDKs.. I feel the pain

Also give them a passive like combustion, that increase the concused dmg status (tiny dot) in turn of energized

And ward now scales off of health.. This is making me feel alittle better lol

Hutch679 wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

tinbromide wrote: »

I think that people take the level-headed discussions about sorcs still being powerful the wrong way. When people talk about dark deal in siphoning threads, they aren't saying "bring dark deal down", they're saying "The Devs are OK with having this level of sustain left in the game, let's bring siphoning and the other classes up to this level."

Sure, some folks come in and read that the wrong way, but as someone with a bunch of level 50 toons of DK, NB, and Sorc, my wish is for my other toons to be as competitive as my sorcs are.

I wish we could change the narrative from "nerf sorcs" to "The Devs are OK with having this power level in game, let's set it as a baseline and bring the other classes up to within 5-10% of it."

Dark deal is such an insane skill though, and it has implications for the future too. Let's say Zenimax's wetdream happens and hybrid builds become a thing.. you know who is going to abuse that the most? Sorcs.

Even without the heal, the efficiency of this skill is ridiculous and makes any kind of overall game resource management impossible until it is dealt with.

For example, A stam DK would cast igneous (a 4k magika ability) to get 5% of their stam back. Now they get a lot less then 5%, and igneous is a completely useless ability with the removal of mending. Meanwhile look at Dark Deal. You get a much better conversion ratio from Mag to Stam and just to top it off you get a ridiculous heal out of it too.

That's just 1 ability. Combine this with Hurricane and having the best passives for stam, and it's easy to see why Stam/Hybrid Sorc will always be the best setup of it's archetype.

And then there is the monstrosity that is Mag Sorcs...

Please Zenimax just do something about this class.

Sure, nerf away - as long as you give sorcs a passive to return resources every time they use an ulti. There's too much looking at skills in isolation going on with the nerf threads.

You want to go down that route? Fine.

Then make all the Sorc skills cost 4-5k magika and make them all melee which completely limits you to heavy armor in PvP. Now try sustaining those abilities for more than a few seconds. But you'll just ult right? Nope sorry, you need to cast abilities to generate ult.

Yeah, you don't know the struggle.

^^ plus take away implosion and mages wrath(executes are for wimps).. mDKs.. I feel the pain

Also give them a passive like combustion, that increase the concused dmg status (tiny dot) in turn of energized

And ward now scales off of health.. This is making me feel alittle better lol

Scales off health? That would no way be a nerf lol. So then sorc just stack health and their shields would still be large, and on top of it they would have a lot more health. Honestly I'd like this change I think it would buff my sorc. I could stack infused traits with health instead of magic since I have no sustain issues anyway. I'm all for raising my health and scaling shields to it so I can essentially have an insane health pool lol

tinbromide wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

tinbromide wrote: »

I think that people take the level-headed discussions about sorcs still being powerful the wrong way. When people talk about dark deal in siphoning threads, they aren't saying "bring dark deal down", they're saying "The Devs are OK with having this level of sustain left in the game, let's bring siphoning and the other classes up to this level."

Sure, some folks come in and read that the wrong way, but as someone with a bunch of level 50 toons of DK, NB, and Sorc, my wish is for my other toons to be as competitive as my sorcs are.

I wish we could change the narrative from "nerf sorcs" to "The Devs are OK with having this power level in game, let's set it as a baseline and bring the other classes up to within 5-10% of it."

Dark deal is such an insane skill though, and it has implications for the future too. Let's say Zenimax's wetdream happens and hybrid builds become a thing.. you know who is going to abuse that the most? Sorcs.

Even without the heal, the efficiency of this skill is ridiculous and makes any kind of overall game resource management impossible until it is dealt with.

For example, A stam DK would cast igneous (a 4k magika ability) to get 5% of their stam back. Now they get a lot less then 5%, and igneous is a completely useless ability with the removal of mending. Meanwhile look at Dark Deal. You get a much better conversion ratio from Mag to Stam and just to top it off you get a ridiculous heal out of it too.

That's just 1 ability. Combine this with Hurricane and having the best passives for stam, and it's easy to see why Stam/Hybrid Sorc will always be the best setup of it's archetype.

And then there is the monstrosity that is Mag Sorcs...

Please Zenimax just do something about this class.

Sure, nerf away - as long as you give sorcs a passive to return resources every time they use an ulti. There's too much looking at skills in isolation going on with the nerf threads.

You want to go down that route? Fine.

Then make all the Sorc skills cost 4-5k magika and make them all melee which completely limits you to heavy armor in PvP. Now try sustaining those abilities for more than a few seconds. But you'll just ult right? Nope sorry, you need to cast abilities to generate ult.

Yeah, you don't know the struggle.

^^ plus take away implosion and mages wrath(executes are for wimps).. mDKs.. I feel the pain

Also give them a passive like combustion, that increase the concused dmg status (tiny dot) in turn of energized

And ward now scales off of health.. This is making me feel alittle better lol

Scales off health? That would no way be a nerf lol. So then sorc just stack health and their shields would still be large, and on top of it they would have a lot more health. Honestly I'd like this change I think it would buff my sorc. I could stack infused traits with health instead of magic since I have no sustain issues anyway. I'm all for raising my health and scaling shields to it so I can essentially have an insane health pool lol

It would turn pvp sorcs into actual bosses, having to cut through 70k health after carving your way through 50k shields.

It could work if they actually dropped items. Maybe class change tokens.