GiuEliN0 wrote: »

lunalitetempler wrote: »

They need to nerf sorcerers.

I'm not a sorcerer, but really i prefer they buff the lacklaster classes instead.
Just stop ask for nerf.

This^

GiuEliN0 wrote: »

lunalitetempler wrote: »

They need to nerf sorcerers.

I'm not a sorcerer, but really i prefer they buff the lacklaster classes instead.
Just stop ask for nerf.

Yea there not going to do that.They're nerfed the other three classes for a reason they not just going to revert all of there changes and buff there damage.They only do that for sorcs.

I think that people take the level-headed discussions about sorcs still being powerful the wrong way. When people talk about dark deal in siphoning threads, they aren't saying "bring dark deal down", they're saying "The Devs are OK with having this level of sustain left in the game, let's bring siphoning and the other classes up to this level."

Sure, some folks come in and read that the wrong way, but as someone with a bunch of level 50 toons of DK, NB, and Sorc, my wish is for my other toons to be as competitive as my sorcs are.

I wish we could change the narrative from "nerf sorcs" to "The Devs are OK with having this power level in game, let's set it as a baseline and bring the other classes up to within 5-10% of it."

tinbromide wrote: »

I think that people take the level-headed discussions about sorcs still being powerful the wrong way. When people talk about dark deal in siphoning threads, they aren't saying "bring dark deal down", they're saying "The Devs are OK with having this level of sustain left in the game, let's bring siphoning and the other classes up to this level."

Sure, some folks come in and read that the wrong way, but as someone with a bunch of level 50 toons of DK, NB, and Sorc, my wish is for my other toons to be as competitive as my sorcs are.

I wish we could change the narrative from "nerf sorcs" to "The Devs are OK with having this power level in game, let's set it as a baseline and bring the other classes up to within 5-10% of it."

Dark deal is such an insane skill though, and it has implications for the future too. Let's say Zenimax's wetdream happens and hybrid builds become a thing.. you know who is going to abuse that the most? Sorcs.

Even without the heal, the efficiency of this skill is ridiculous and makes any kind of overall game resource management impossible until it is dealt with.

For example, A stam DK would cast igneous (a 4k magika ability) to get 5% of their stam back. Now they get a lot less then 5%, and igneous is a completely useless ability with the removal of mending. Meanwhile look at Dark Deal. You get a much better conversion ratio from Mag to Stam and just to top it off you get a ridiculous heal out of it too.

That's just 1 ability. Combine this with Hurricane and having the best passives for stam, and it's easy to see why Stam/Hybrid Sorc will always be the best setup of it's archetype.

And then there is the monstrosity that is Mag Sorcs...

Please Zenimax just do something about this class.

Neighbor wrote: »

tinbromide wrote: »

I think that people take the level-headed discussions about sorcs still being powerful the wrong way. When people talk about dark deal in siphoning threads, they aren't saying "bring dark deal down", they're saying "The Devs are OK with having this level of sustain left in the game, let's bring siphoning and the other classes up to this level."

Sure, some folks come in and read that the wrong way, but as someone with a bunch of level 50 toons of DK, NB, and Sorc, my wish is for my other toons to be as competitive as my sorcs are.

I wish we could change the narrative from "nerf sorcs" to "The Devs are OK with having this power level in game, let's set it as a baseline and bring the other classes up to within 5-10% of it."

Dark deal is such an insane skill though, and it has implications for the future too. Let's say Zenimax's wetdream happens and hybrid builds become a thing.. you know who is going to abuse that the most? Sorcs.

Even without the heal, the efficiency of this skill is ridiculous and makes any kind of overall game resource management impossible until it is dealt with.

For example, A stam DK would cast igneous (a 4k magika ability) to get 5% of their stam back. Now they get a lot less then 5%, and igneous is a completely useless ability with the removal of mending. Meanwhile look at Dark Deal. You get a much better conversion ratio from Mag to Stam and just to top it off you get a ridiculous heal out of it too.

The Devs are OK with having this level of sustain left in the game, let's bring siphoning and the other classes up to this level.

@ZOS_GinaBruno can you ask the Dev team if they are ok with magic sorc being able to pull almost as much damage on PTS as they do on live. Without serious sustain issues while using a heavy attack build.

For example in @Alcast latest video he said self buff his magsorc pulled 40k with group buff I'm sure he can reach 50k+ in a trial.

GiuEliN0 wrote: »

lunalitetempler wrote: »

They need to nerf sorcerers.

I'm not a sorcerer, but really i prefer they buff the lacklaster classes instead.
Just stop ask for nerf.

Buffing is not the solution either, or we would not be where we are. We need a balance of both and in this case, nerf is needed for Sorcs.

Neighbor wrote: »

tinbromide wrote: »

I think that people take the level-headed discussions about sorcs still being powerful the wrong way. When people talk about dark deal in siphoning threads, they aren't saying "bring dark deal down", they're saying "The Devs are OK with having this level of sustain left in the game, let's bring siphoning and the other classes up to this level."

Sure, some folks come in and read that the wrong way, but as someone with a bunch of level 50 toons of DK, NB, and Sorc, my wish is for my other toons to be as competitive as my sorcs are.

I wish we could change the narrative from "nerf sorcs" to "The Devs are OK with having this power level in game, let's set it as a baseline and bring the other classes up to within 5-10% of it."

Dark deal is such an insane skill though, and it has implications for the future too. Let's say Zenimax's wetdream happens and hybrid builds become a thing.. you know who is going to abuse that the most? Sorcs.

Even without the heal, the efficiency of this skill is ridiculous and makes any kind of overall game resource management impossible until it is dealt with.

For example, A stam DK would cast igneous (a 4k magika ability) to get 5% of their stam back. Now they get a lot less then 5%, and igneous is a completely useless ability with the removal of mending. Meanwhile look at Dark Deal. You get a much better conversion ratio from Mag to Stam and just to top it off you get a ridiculous heal out of it too.

That's just 1 ability. Combine this with Hurricane and having the best passives for stam, and it's easy to see why Stam/Hybrid Sorc will always be the best setup of it's archetype.

And then there is the monstrosity that is Mag Sorcs...

Please Zenimax just do something about this class.

Sure, nerf away - as long as you give sorcs a passive to return resources every time they use an ulti. There's too much looking at skills in isolation going on with the nerf threads.

REiiGN15 wrote: »

In non-CP battlegrounds, no one lives forever.

This. Everyone screams nerf sorc until they play non-cp pvp and their shields last literally 1 to 2 hits then they are paper dolls.

I got a novel idea.. Make all class shields be health base. muhahahaahahaa... sorcs are the only ones that don't have this... and revert all changes but cp changes. See where that leads us first. That is all I really want. Lets not over nerf then buff, lets under nerf and work to get to the perfect spot.
There are two ways of filling. A slow fill checking to see if it is at the mark or over fill and slowly pour back out. If you overfill you will have to pour out, pour too slowly and water goes everywhere(people get frustrated and leave) pour too quickly and you will have to fill up water again(possibly to over nerf again).
Also for the sake of argument another thought that illustrates the exact thing happening right now: (only metaphorical animals were harmed in the making of the next sentence). If you throw a frog into a boiling pot, the frog will jump out but if you place the frog in before the boil and slowly raise the temp you get... A good Cajun meal, oh I mean a frog that doesn't notice the changes and cooks. These huge nerfs makes people leave or take breaks. Just boil us slowly and we won't complain. Its a tangent from you guys but meh I have ADHD so I got an excuse.

Neighbor wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

tinbromide wrote: »

I think that people take the level-headed discussions about sorcs still being powerful the wrong way. When people talk about dark deal in siphoning threads, they aren't saying "bring dark deal down", they're saying "The Devs are OK with having this level of sustain left in the game, let's bring siphoning and the other classes up to this level."

Sure, some folks come in and read that the wrong way, but as someone with a bunch of level 50 toons of DK, NB, and Sorc, my wish is for my other toons to be as competitive as my sorcs are.

I wish we could change the narrative from "nerf sorcs" to "The Devs are OK with having this power level in game, let's set it as a baseline and bring the other classes up to within 5-10% of it."

Dark deal is such an insane skill though, and it has implications for the future too. Let's say Zenimax's wetdream happens and hybrid builds become a thing.. you know who is going to abuse that the most? Sorcs.

Even without the heal, the efficiency of this skill is ridiculous and makes any kind of overall game resource management impossible until it is dealt with.

For example, A stam DK would cast igneous (a 4k magika ability) to get 5% of their stam back. Now they get a lot less then 5%, and igneous is a completely useless ability with the removal of mending. Meanwhile look at Dark Deal. You get a much better conversion ratio from Mag to Stam and just to top it off you get a ridiculous heal out of it too.

That's just 1 ability. Combine this with Hurricane and having the best passives for stam, and it's easy to see why Stam/Hybrid Sorc will always be the best setup of it's archetype.

And then there is the monstrosity that is Mag Sorcs...

Please Zenimax just do something about this class.

Sure, nerf away - as long as you give sorcs a passive to return resources every time they use an ulti. There's too much looking at skills in isolation going on with the nerf threads.

You want to go down that route? Fine.

Then make all the Sorc skills cost 4-5k magika and make them all melee which completely limits you to heavy armor in PvP. Now try sustaining those abilities for more than a few seconds. But you'll just ult right? Nope sorry, you need to cast abilities to generate ult.

Yeah, you don't know the struggle.

^^ plus take away implosion and mages wrath(executes are for wimps).. mDKs.. I feel the pain

how does i meme?

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

tinbromide wrote: »

I think that people take the level-headed discussions about sorcs still being powerful the wrong way. When people talk about dark deal in siphoning threads, they aren't saying "bring dark deal down", they're saying "The Devs are OK with having this level of sustain left in the game, let's bring siphoning and the other classes up to this level."

Sure, some folks come in and read that the wrong way, but as someone with a bunch of level 50 toons of DK, NB, and Sorc, my wish is for my other toons to be as competitive as my sorcs are.

I wish we could change the narrative from "nerf sorcs" to "The Devs are OK with having this power level in game, let's set it as a baseline and bring the other classes up to within 5-10% of it."

Dark deal is such an insane skill though, and it has implications for the future too. Let's say Zenimax's wetdream happens and hybrid builds become a thing.. you know who is going to abuse that the most? Sorcs.

Even without the heal, the efficiency of this skill is ridiculous and makes any kind of overall game resource management impossible until it is dealt with.

For example, A stam DK would cast igneous (a 4k magika ability) to get 5% of their stam back. Now they get a lot less then 5%, and igneous is a completely useless ability with the removal of mending. Meanwhile look at Dark Deal. You get a much better conversion ratio from Mag to Stam and just to top it off you get a ridiculous heal out of it too.

That's just 1 ability. Combine this with Hurricane and having the best passives for stam, and it's easy to see why Stam/Hybrid Sorc will always be the best setup of it's archetype.

And then there is the monstrosity that is Mag Sorcs...

Please Zenimax just do something about this class.

Sure, nerf away - as long as you give sorcs a passive to return resources every time they use an ulti. There's too much looking at skills in isolation going on with the nerf threads.

You want to go down that route? Fine.

Then make all the Sorc skills cost 4-5k magika and make them all melee which completely limits you to heavy armor in PvP. Now try sustaining those abilities for more than a few seconds. But you'll just ult right? Nope sorry, you need to cast abilities to generate ult.

Yeah, you don't know the struggle.

^^ plus take away implosion and mages wrath(executes are for wimps).. mDKs.. I feel the pain

Also give them a passive like combustion, that increase the concused dmg status (tiny dot) in turn of energized