DisgracefulMind wrote: »

There are two known instances on this. Both times the groups were being racist and orchestrating mock *** rallies.
Both of those groups deserved the permabans imo

@DisgracefulMind
This happened before? Was it on PC?

What color should I wear if to express my racism toward bretons in this game?

Just use common sense here. No players will just get banned for wearing white anything. They had to have done something that supplements it, such as a lot of post/replies are saying they were also displaying racist remarks and tendencies. As with any professional organization (as Zen/ZOS, I'm certain), for them to take any action on anything, there are thorough reviews, discussion, and final approval from a head/supervisory personnel. ESO in-game and this forum are social media (minus the advertising/marketing adds) just like any other online outlet where masses of people from all kind of backgrounds have access to. Thus, in life, there are good people, bad people and questionable people, and we all have access via internet. You would think that such nonsense would not surface in a video game, but when the video game, such as ESO where everybody who have internet are privilege to, is a MMO, then the same type of white-hooded robe enthusiast and other hate type group members will also have access to.

I haven't seen any group zerg dressed in all white rolling around or any group displaying any racist action in-game, but there are plenty of racist and offensive comments/remarks being thrown around on zone text chats.. every time I am in-game playing. I'll bet to say it is occurring probably everyday in-game. I am glad that ZOS is taking notice and taking the appropriate actions. Yes, there would be those knuckleheads maybe joking here and there, but jokes can also go so far. We all do not have thick skin and there are people from all kind of backgrounds playing this game who may interpret something that appear to be funny and harmless to others, may be offended by it.

it is also interesting that there may be situation or circumstance where another is that despise of someone else that someone would fabricate something against another person/players just to get that someone banned. Otherwise, there plenty of trash-talks on zone text chats against another players; particularly those PvPers who are temporarily taking a break and messing around in PvE, but happen to come upon each other on zone chat and the bashing commences. So, it is not for us gamers to decide who should get banned. If there are comments or actions that are occurring in-game that any may feel offensive, then report them and let the good folks at ZOS review, and they will make the appropriate decision. I'm also glad ZOS has the monitors in-place on the forum here where they have taken appropriate actions.

F7sus4 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Were you taking a jab at me I'm not commenting on what happened. Only talking about the after-effect that has taken place on PS4 NA.

People whispering/reporting over only wearing white robes is crazy, but that's the unfortunate situation now after this event.

Nah, man. I wholeheartedly agree with you regarding hate-whispers you were receiving, and this shouldn't actually happen. What I do not agree with, however, is the approach trying to sneak the idea that "maybe nothing really happened" on NA server and that "it's just a white robe" etc.

If there's a terrorist attack in a city and a global social chain-reaction afterwards then maybe wearing almost identical clothes and style as the aggresors the very next day isn't the best idea? Or is it? Outfit is indirect way of social communication and attribution, and while it is utterly subjective, you can't prevent it from happening. This is again common sense and basic social skills.

Umm..... I'm confused with what your "spoiler" tag showed. I just made that comment in this very thread and it in no way referred to the event itself. This was very clear just by reading the small part you quoted, even without the large chunk you conveniently left out.

Don't try to spin something so blatantly obvious in its meaning to fabricate a conspiracy. Do you have nothing better to do?

Feanor wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

I won't go into specifics or name ppl. Despite what these players did or what stance you take based on their situation, what you've said here is exactly what happened. They had a lot of haters, especially because they maintained rank #1 leaderboards since Vet trials were introduced.

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It's just sad overall how this toxicity has infected the endgame PvE crowd now. Hurts the already small community a bit when such big figures leave, as all of them helped progression runs often and were part of the theoretical 0.1%. With Morrowind looking to really hurt endgame PvE.... idk. It all just sucks

This just reads to me that way, sorry. They just were banned because they were #1 on leaderboards. Nothing else.

Not the way it was meant to come across if that's truly all you could see from that comment.

I'm trying to spread some new info regarding the situation, since we already all know what happened. As I happen to play on PS4 NA and am quite familiar with the situation, it makes sense for me to be the one to say this stuff rather than have another make it up. This all occured weeks ago so plenty more has happened now.

If they were randoms, there would be much less to say ofc. However, these players just happened to be quite huge on PS4 NA, so it has after effects.

The after-effect = wearing white robes is enough to draw negative attention toward yourself, and it will be this way for a looooong time.

starkerealm wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

There are two known instances on this. Both times the groups were being racist and orchestrating mock *** rallies.
Both of those groups deserved the permabans imo

@DisgracefulMind
This happened before? Was it on PC?

Yeah, PC/EU. I thought that's what we were talking about. I didn't know about a PS4 incident.

Oh. Well I didn't know about the PC EU incident!

I think the PS4 NA incident was probably larger than what happened on PC EU but I wouldn't know.

Like 13+ ppl were permabanned, all of which were #1 leaderboard raiders. Spread across the entire endgame PvE community and most of the PvP community within a day and now it is also looked down upon to wear white robes.

No way PC EU was bigger.

F7sus4 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

F7sus4 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Were you taking a jab at me I'm not commenting on what happened. Only talking about the after-effect that has taken place on PS4 NA.

People whispering/reporting over only wearing white robes is crazy, but that's the unfortunate situation now after this event.

Nah, man. I wholeheartedly agree with you regarding hate-whispers you were receiving, and this shouldn't actually happen. What I do not agree with, however, is the approach trying to sneak the idea that "maybe nothing really happened" on NA server and that "it's just a white robe" etc.

If there's a terrorist attack in a city and a global social chain-reaction afterwards then maybe wearing almost identical clothes and style as the aggresors the very next day isn't the best idea? Or is it? Outfit is indirect way of social communication and attribution, and while it is utterly subjective, you can't prevent it from happening. This is again common sense and basic social skills.

Umm..... I'm confused with what your "spoiler" tag showed. I just made that comment in this very thread and it in no way referred to the event itself. This was very clear just by reading the small part you quoted, even without the large chunk you conveniently left out.

Don't try to spin something so blatantly obvious in its meaning to fabricate a conspiracy. Do you have nothing better to do?

There's no conspiracy and no personal remark here as similar situation may happen/apply to literally anyone. What I did was digging into why it is like that and how the reactions basing on player's outfit correlate with what is imprinted in social consciousness on reaction level - be it local or global. My personal opinion doesn't really matter in this situation and there's no need to go hostile. I also believe I supported your view on getting hate-whispers. If getting to the bottom of why is this possibly happening is somehow offensive to you then I'm sorry.

Totally fine! Np at all.

After the event, anything that remotely mimics it is subject to scrutiny.

This includes a simple white robe. It sounds kind of much, but it is happening now Another reason is because I use the Black Hand Robe, which happens to be what some of them used.

Just how it is I guess. You do not have to do anything else "wrong" so to speak. However, I'm not going to change my in-game character's costume because of this type of reasoning.

Imagine if I used the Malacath's Wrathful Flame momento while in Craglorn and wearing my robe. I would face a very real chance of loosing my account. All it's take is one dude recording a short vid, sending it in, and saying it reminded him of the past event.

They pretended to be the Kookoo Klan and wanted to lynch argonians...
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