Mutual respect

Alhatariel · May 2017

Mutual respect and language use on Eso

After i have been on the internet in almost 25 years now I am still sometimes in shock about what people can say here in the forums, both towards Zos or other players.

It is an interesting phenomena that some, when they enjoy the relativele anonymous presence in the internet, act in a different way as they should do in real life.
It is appaling what kind of language is been used both inworld as in our forum here towards Zos or other users.
Ofcourse it is great to come with feed back here or complaines but I am sure that people never would use that tone and language in real life towards people who work in a shop or company as they use here.

Also the use of the `F-word`, a real sign of cultural degradation, can be found almost everywhere in Eso and thats for me the reason that I never use TS, so Ill be spared of hearing it. The `F-word` is giving a clear sign of disrecpect to all of us woman.

And there we are again: mutual respect...

The bottumline here is ofcourse: if you want to be treated with respect than please treat others with respect. It is that simple. Treat other players with respect and Zos also.
Come with your complaines and feed back in a descent way and be respected because doing so.
Grow up and be an respected person, both here and in real life.

Alhatariel

CaptainBeerDude · May 2017

Hmmmm. I work in a shop and I can say that people do speak that way. Very occasionally to me and sometimes to my staff. It isn't quite as prevalent as the forum trash talking, but it happens for sure.
I think there is just a higher percentage of self involved twaddles in the world than there used to be.

GrumpyDuckling · May 2017

I think the moderators do a solid job of keeping this forum clean, but reminders never hurt.

I'm not sure what system you play on, but on console we have a language filter to block words like the f-word. Hopefully you can make use of it on the system you are on. Chat is another issue entirely. I usually don't chat unless I know the players.

CaptainBeerDude · May 2017

Lol. My content filter picked up 'adds hit hard' and blocked out 4 letters.

Tasear · May 2017

Again! I tell you it's all players in desshan rift raft... you know where the best players hang out is of course elden root. It's root all that is great!

CaptainBeerDude · May 2017

Tasear wrote: »

Again! I tell you it's all players in desshan rift raft... you know where the best players hang out is of course elden root. It's root all that is great!

Sir, I demand satisfaction.

BLOOD FOR THE PACT!

DisgracefulMind · May 2017

Alhatariel wrote: »

Mutual respect and language use on Eso

After i have been on the internet in almost 25 years now I am still sometimes in shock about what people can say here in the forums, both towards Zos or other players.

It is an interesting phenomena that some, when they enjoy the relativele anonymous presence in the internet, act in a different way as they should do in real life.
It is appaling what kind of language is been used both inworld as in our forum here towards Zos or other users.
Ofcourse it is great to come with feed back here or complaines but I am sure that people never would use that tone and language in real life towards people who work in a shop or company as they use here.

Also the use of the `F-word`, a real sign of cultural degradation, can be found almost everywhere in Eso and thats for me the reason that I never use TS, so Ill be spared of hearing it. The `F-word` is giving a clear sign of disrecpect to all of us woman.

And there we are again: mutual respect...

The bottumline here is ofcourse: if you want to be treated with respect than please treat others with respect. It is that simple. Treat other players with respect and Zos also.
Come with your complaines and feed back in a descent way and be respected because doing so.
Grow up and be an respected person, both here and in real life.

Alhatariel

wot

HatchetHaro · May 2017

Alhatariel wrote: »

Also the use of the `F-word`, a real sign of cultural degradation, can be found almost everywhere in Eso and thats for me the reason that I never use TS, so Ill be spared of hearing it. The `F-word` is giving a clear sign of disrecpect to all of us woman.

You're here complaining about people using vulgar language in a forum dedicated to a video game because you're a woman?

Lady, you're no special snowflake. The "f-word" is a gender-neutral verb. It f***s us equally.

Manpoints · May 2017

Alhatariel wrote: »

Mutual respect and language use on Eso

After i have been on the internet in almost 25 years now I am still sometimes in shock about what people can say here in the forums, both towards Zos or other players.

It is an interesting phenomena that some, when they enjoy the relativele anonymous presence in the internet, act in a different way as they should do in real life.
It is appaling what kind of language is been used both inworld as in our forum here towards Zos or other users.
Ofcourse it is great to come with feed back here or complaines but I am sure that people never would use that tone and language in real life towards people who work in a shop or company as they use here.

Also the use of the `F-word`, a real sign of cultural degradation, can be found almost everywhere in Eso and thats for me the reason that I never use TS, so Ill be spared of hearing it. The `F-word` is giving a clear sign of disrecpect to all of us woman.

And there we are again: mutual respect...

The bottumline here is ofcourse: if you want to be treated with respect than please treat others with respect. It is that simple. Treat other players with respect and Zos also.
Come with your complaines and feed back in a descent way and be respected because doing so.
Grow up and be an respected person, both here and in real life.

Alhatariel

Respect*

And excuse me, but maybe you should check your privilege. As a proud Australian my guild and I do use often profane language by your standards, being someone whose been on the internet for 25 years (40yrs+ old?) Im sure you've seen more than just that word used. Stop trying to oppress my culture.

Also, y u no profanity filter? Its on by default, in my opinion if you turn that off, you're accepting all that the internet brings!

STRAYAAAA KHAARNT.

Manpoints · May 2017

HatchetHaro wrote: »

Alhatariel wrote: »

Also the use of the `F-word`, a real sign of cultural degradation, can be found almost everywhere in Eso and thats for me the reason that I never use TS, so Ill be spared of hearing it. The `F-word` is giving a clear sign of disrecpect to all of us woman.

You're here complaining about people using vulgar language in a forum dedicated to a video game because you're a woman?

Lady, you're no special snowflake. The "f-word" a gender-neutral verb. It f***s us equally.

+rep

BigBragg · May 2017

Profanity is culturally subjective. Not just on the scale of any given language, but also within micro societies. The use of explatives has nothing to do with an individuals character, honor, or intelligentce. I find somebody willing to cast blanket judgement on individuals far more telling about respect than somebody who likes to drop the f-bomb.

2¢

FloppyTouch · May 2017

Is this a troll post? Really the "F" word offends women only? And what's the point of this post tbh?

All I got was people use bad words and I'm a women

Rohamad_Ali · May 2017

Manpoints · May 2017

BigBragg wrote: »

Profanity is culturally subjective. Not just on the scale of any given language, but also within micro societies. The use of explatives has nothing to do with an individuals character, honor, or intelligentce. I find somebody willing to cast blanket judgement on individuals far more telling about respect than somebody who likes to drop the f-bomb.

2¢

I think the consensus in this thread is the only person being disrespectful, is the OP. Maybe its time she get a snuggie and go yell at the TV.

andreasranasen · May 2017

Cursing is a way of expressing yourself last time I checked.

Streega · May 2017

I was sitting here reading and drinking my morning tea, thinking "Mhm, mhm, totally agree" then suddenly: "The `F-word` is giving a clear sign of disrecpect to all of us woman." Whaaat?...
Lady, you need to check your gears, because one of them cogs is faulty. Everybody deserves respect, no matter the gender, race or pointyness of your ears.
Btw, I'm a lady, and I don't use the F-word because is so unimaginative...

SydneyGrey · May 2017

Here comes the Troll Army ....

KochDerDamonen · May 2017

Alhatariel wrote: »

Also the use of the `F-word`, a real sign of cultural degradation, can be found almost everywhere in Eso and thats for me the reason that I never use TS, so Ill be spared of hearing it. The `F-word` is giving a clear sign of disrecpect to all of us woman.

???
disrecpect to all of us woman
f-word

Elaborate to me what this f-word is, I must be ignorant to it. Private message it to me if it's so direcpectful to all woman.

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Here comes the Troll Army ....

@SydneyGrey No troll army necessary, the thread covered the 'troll' part and we're here for the... well, not really organized enough to be an army, eh?

ArchMikem · May 2017

Im glad there are others out there such as myself who despise the F bomb, however you lost me at the next part. The word isnt disrespectful to just Women, its just plain and simple, generally an awful word, no basis to specify a targetted group.

But yes ive known for a while now that given the comfort of anonymity and safety behind a keyboard, people can, and most times will turn into the most evil things on this Earth.

Browiseth · May 2017

soooo basically

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdyICtkM91E

seriously though. i think you need to grow up. the fact you've convinced yourself that swearing somehow makes a person inferior to you is just pathetic. they're just words - words with powerful meanings - but they're just words, with a purpose and context to be used in

Turelus · May 2017

Bad language isn't something ghat generally bothers me any more, I try to avoid using it myself when I can but I think we've just reached a place in society's evolution now where r the first word is just becoming a meaningless word for adding emphasis.

As for the rude behaviour of people online I kind of find it entertaining that people can be so angry and upset over a video game. Demanding devs jobs or telling players to go die etc.

Those people will have a real shock when they reach some obstacles in the real world.

Browiseth · May 2017

Turelus wrote: »

Those people will have a real shock when they reach some obstacles in the real world.

you'll have a real shock when you realise people aren't always going to say the things you want them to say

ArchMikem · May 2017

Browiseth wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Those people will have a real shock when they reach some obstacles in the real world.

you'll have a real shock when you realise people aren't always going to say the things you want them to say

What did that even mean? What are you defending the people who insist everything needs to be described as effing?

Browiseth · May 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Those people will have a real shock when they reach some obstacles in the real world.

you'll have a real shock when you realise people aren't always going to say the things you want them to say

What did that even mean? What are you defending the people who insist everything needs to be described as effing?

because these dreaded swear words are just words? they can be used like any other word to describe things?

i understand they're not exactly polite, but such extreme views on swearing like the OPs (and many others in this thread) are ridiculous

ObsidianMichi · May 2017

The F-word is an invective, however it is also an expletive . It's a filler word that can be used to add emphasis, and has multiple utilities in speech. "[snip] yes!" versus "[snip] them!". It's foul language, but it's not always an explicit insult. These days, when it comes to slurs "[snip]" is just a step up from "[snip]" or damnation which most people don't even consider to be bad language. "[snip]" is well on its way to becoming the same.

Unlike many other cuss words, the f-word specifically is gender neutral.

I get what you're trying to say, OP. However, there were better ways to say it and more gendered slurs to focus on.

[Edit for censor bypass]

Tasear · May 2017

CaptainBeerDude wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Again! I tell you it's all players in desshan rift raft... you know where the best players hang out is of course elden root. It's root all that is great!

Sir, I demand satisfaction.

BLOOD FOR THE PACT!

Men such blood thirsty beasts, while I am but lady saying bring it on!

Sharee · May 2017

ArchMikem wrote: »

Im glad there are others out there such as myself who despise the F bomb, however you lost me at the next part. The word isnt disrespectful to just Women, its just plain and simple, generally an awful word, no basis to specify a targetted group.

When someone says "X is disrespectful to Y", it does not mean "X isn't disrespectful to anything else".
She said the F word is disrespectful to women because she is one. She didn't imply the word is a-okay otherwise.

(And while im quoting you, the reply applies to many others in this thread so please don't take it personally)

Magdalina · May 2017

o.O I'm a girl and I can't wrap my mind around f-word somehow being offensive to all the women out there. The b-word, s-word, w-word and a couples others(why is English so unimaginatively poor on male bad words?), perhaps, but f-one? This one seems very politically correct in the sense of having to do with genders equally

As for the general sentiment, I have an interesting attitude to English swearing. It's hard for me to judge as it's not my native language and perhaps my perception is skewed, but in my general understanding, and it doesn't just come from ESO or the internet, English is a lot free-er with the use of "bad" words than my own language is. Part of it is probably I haven't been grown up being told these words are bad, I learnt them lateron so tbh I just find them amusing. But it's something I see even in popular non pg 18 movies where "oh %#^%*!" gets translated to "oh my god" in my language lol. I don't swear often but I'm actually more likely to swear in English than my own language, even in rl lol.

I don't like people who use swear words as repacement for things like "umm", "well" and the like in their speech all the time, it's unimaginative and pointless and makes them simply sound uncultural rather than the "cool kid" they must be trying to be, but in the end of the day they're just words. Directly and personally using these words to describe someone is indeed rude, but honestly if my no death gets ruined by aoe I clearly wasn't in and I yell "ZENIMAX FIX YOU %#^*$#&!$ GAME!!!" to either myself, voicechat or people on forums in a rant lateron, I fail to see how it's disrespectful to you personally and all the women in general. These words aren't some magic evil that came out of nowhere, they're just words we decided to call bad so we have a way to vent our frustration, and that's how they should be used.

AoDD33pfri3d · May 2017

Alhatariel wrote: »

Mutual respect and language use on Eso

After i have been on the internet in almost 25 years now I am still sometimes in shock about what people can say here in the forums, both towards Zos or other players.

It is an interesting phenomena that some, when they enjoy the relativele anonymous presence in the internet, act in a different way as they should do in real life.
It is appaling what kind of language is been used both inworld as in our forum here towards Zos or other users.
Ofcourse it is great to come with feed back here or complaines but I am sure that people never would use that tone and language in real life towards people who work in a shop or company as they use here.

Also the use of the `F-word`, a real sign of cultural degradation, can be found almost everywhere in Eso and thats for me the reason that I never use TS, so Ill be spared of hearing it. The `F-word` is giving a clear sign of disrecpect to all of us woman.

And there we are again: mutual respect...

The bottumline here is ofcourse: if you want to be treated with respect than please treat others with respect. It is that simple. Treat other players with respect and Zos also.
Come with your complaines and feed back in a descent way and be respected because doing so.
Grow up and be an respected person, both here and in real life.

Alhatariel

Well in game go in options so it would filter the chat problem solved.

Cadbury · May 2017

That's what she said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOUqQt3Kg0

KochDerDamonen · May 2017

@Magdalina Not using 'f' as a filler word to 'look cool'. What's cool about spacing one's speach with filler words. Using 'umm' makes one look a bit slow. 'like' puts one in the 'stuck-in-teens' category. Dead air '...' confuses people into wondering whether the sentence/thought ended. Not spacing at all makes one sound like an off-the-rails train (read: new york speech). And 'f' might put one on the bad side of folks who dont-take-kindly-to-cussin'.

Don't assume people want to be 'edgy' when they have some ingrained filler language. I have long since moved on from the part of my life where I thought people that didn't like 'cursewords' were spineless adult-children. Yet those same people do not often return the favor of giving up the useless offense over minor differences in speech, that we may just speak. You say 'umm', I say 'f-in'.