Imo, normal is far too easy, in which you can solo it easily, the role of tank and healer becomes redundant.
Vet however is a bit steep, if you don't have decent dps, getting through some dungeons are impossible or takes forever.
I reckon they should be nerfed to balance out a bit more.

Are you kidding? Where's the "no, they should be buffed" version?o.O

They should increase difficulty, at this moment, you can stand still the whole time until you kill the boss. No need to block or dodge.. just press the same button until it dies without moving.. Yes talking about vet dungeons, even most of the DLC ones..

dungeons should have another level above vet.

Palidon wrote: »

I think all undaunted dungeons should have a solo option for those of us who do not like group play.

Most of them do. There's nothing restricting you from going in alone and besides a few mechanics requiring a second player, all normal dungeons can fairly easily be soloed(and I don't mean just as 600 cp in bis gear, you can solo them wih no cp whasoever and like level 20 if you know wha you're doing). Heck @Vaoh even soloed most all vet ones, including dlc.

No, they're GROUP CONTENT. Sure some can be soloable with a really high CP character, but that just means the character needs a nerf and not the dungeon.

All dundeons should have a Drop down list where the group leader may choose difficulty.

This way first time players can choose easy, learn the dungeon mechanics, then progress to the next level for better drops and rewards.

This way if you only have a couple of players in a group they can still explore and experience the dungeon, hone their skills and eventually be effective in an elete group on expert mode.

I just don't know anymore. Here's my test. If a stamina nightblade can then its probably a sorcerer using illusions. If its impossible for a nightblade to walk in, its probably too easy. If a nightblade got to the final boss, someone carried him in their pocket. If a nightblade dies when mentioning the name of the dungeon, its probably just right.

Xylphan wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Are you kidding? Where's the "no, they should be buffed" version?o.O

Normal dungeons are face roll easy when you've got the knowledge, stats, etc. but fresh faced n00bs don't have that.

Problem is, right now you've got fresh faced n00bs often getting completely carried by 600 CP speed runners which gives them a false sense of difficulty. Worse, it can give the impression that certain classes/skills/etc. are useless or your somehow "doing it wrong". I know I got that feeling more than once as a n00b tank chasing after vet 16 wonder duos who didn't even need me to be there.

Then a lot of these n00bs go on into other dungeons and get paired with a bunch of other n00bs and rage quit when they get wiped in an "EZ" dungeon.

I think normals are fine. I think pairing level 12 greenhorns with 600 CP hypercarries isn't.

I have carried people(including cp people, ironically) through normal on level 40-ish with no cp whatsoever. Sure I'd have done it faster on my cp 600 but still...imo normal dungeons need a nice buff in order for the normal/vet gap to grow smaller. Because as it is now you really don't need any skills or sets or anything to complete a normal dungeon, then having done all normals easily(even without vet players in group) people move on to vet ones and SUDDENLY...

I don't mean to imply you personally did bad, at 600 cp there isn't much need for a tank in a normal dungeon honestly, but I think dungeons - group content - should let you know if your build is ineffective. Perhaps not make you hit a total wall, but at the very least it should give you some hint about how aternating jesusbeam with bow light attacks is not an optimal way of tackling grop content. Currently it does not.

Vet ones...tbh I think they need a buff too. I know there are players out there who struggle with vet Wayrest 1, I have seen them and carried some of them through it myself, but these are veteran dungeons, they're supposed to be hard. The reason people struggle with them currently is complete and total lack of learning curve prior to them. In other words, they aren't struggoling because dungeons are hard, they're struggoling because players are weak. When/if people get the basic mechanics down, they'll find themselves pretty bored in these dungeons too. Well apart from the dlc ones.

Well i have never done a vet dungeon in my life so can't comment on them, but normal one should stay as is unless they separate ppl by level and cp since you can be grouped with some one who just started the game 6hrs ago, make normal hard and you would have less ppl that even do dungeon at all tho i will agree on nerfing the dlc dungeons i only done wgt hard enough just to get ppl to attack a portal i got put into one of the newer dlc a few times group was half gone every time i got done loading usually with a F this dungeon in it so no ideal how hard they are since no one dose it lol

I would make the dungeons adaptable to the amount of people in the party;

Solo would be easy mode (would feel like a Public Dungeon), with little to no rewards (and possibly the current achievements disabled), but players can concentrate on the story;

Two would be a little easier than what normal is now, and maybe have a new set of lower-tier rewards;

Three would be normal;

Four would be vet;

Vet HM as usual.

I'm certain there are many folks who would love an even higher difficulty than already exists.

This should include every player in the finely crafted dungeons part of the game.

I would say no leave them as they are, but with the morrowind update I can't really say now. I have a feeling they will become a lot more difficult.