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The argument against hiding vampirism is selfish and ridiculous
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ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭no, you are a vampire and I wanna force my cosmetic preference on you even though I can choose to stay looking a vampire myself if i want and even tho players can hide their skins already with hidious flashlight skins and disguisesYou wanna be a monster of Molag Bal, you can look like a monster.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, if pay/ or love to earn a mortal skin disguise so i could hide my vamparism and help with rp (vampires would hide among mortals) and so i can enjoy not having my tatoos bleached and not looking overall uglyXDragonDoomX wrote: »Yr a vampire.
Vampirism is ugly.
Get over it & get on with your (un)life.
Au contraire, Stage One Breton vampire girls are cute as hell.0 -
Khenarthi✭✭✭✭✭
✭no, you are a vampire and I wanna force my cosmetic preference on you even though I can choose to stay looking a vampire myself if i want and even tho players can hide their skins already with hidious flashlight skins and disguisesI just don't like the biased poll.
To be honest, I'd make a few of my characters vamps for the benefits if they did not turn white and sickly (got an army of Khajiit in my account).PC-EU2 -
XDragonDoomX✭✭✭✭✭no, you are a vampire and I wanna force my cosmetic preference on you even though I can choose to stay looking a vampire myself if i want and even tho players can hide their skins already with hidious flashlight skins and disguisesstarkerealm wrote: »XDragonDoomX wrote: »Yr a vampire.
Vampirism is ugly.
Get over it & get on with your (un)life.
Au contraire, Stage One Breton vampire girls are cute as hell.
We'll agree to disagree then. I find -all- vampires ugly, no matter the sex, stage or anything else."Forums are like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea.
massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of
mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it. ”
(with apologies to Eugene H. Spafford, aka Spaf)
I have the power to please one person per day. Today is not your day.
Tomorrow... Tomorrow does not look good either.
82. Victory laps after killing the dragon with my 1d2 bow is considered in poor taste.
83. My gnome does not like big butts and he cannot lie.
84. Not allowed to talk my fellow inquisitors into buying a 220lb pull crossbow.
85. Not allowed to talk my fellow inquisitors into buying an industrial strength flamethrower.
86. Not allowed to make a superhero with a 99% chance of dodging even after the -10 penalty for a successful called shot.
87. There is no such thing as a dwarven katana.
88. My bard does not get a bonus to perform if she is obviously not wearing anything under her tabard.
89. The elf's name is not Legolam.
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Fodore✭✭✭✭Yes, if pay/ or love to earn a mortal skin disguise so i could hide my vamparism and help with rp (vampires would hide among mortals) and so i can enjoy not having my tatoos bleached and not looking overall uglyThere is clear evidence in lore of people being able to hide vampirism, why can't weBefore judging a man walk a mile in his shoes.After that who cares?They're a mile away and you've got their shoes.3 -
PocketAces13xb✭✭✭If you don't like how it looks then buy something to cover it. If you don't want to do that then don't be a vampire. The game is all about choices. Get over itPocket Aces 13 -Xbox NA
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, if pay/ or love to earn a mortal skin disguise so i could hide my vamparism and help with rp (vampires would hide among mortals) and so i can enjoy not having my tatoos bleached and not looking overall uglyXDragonDoomX wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »XDragonDoomX wrote: »Yr a vampire.
Vampirism is ugly.
Get over it & get on with your (un)life.
Au contraire, Stage One Breton vampire girls are cute as hell.
We'll agree to disagree then. I find -all- vampires ugly, no matter the sex, stage or anything else.
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Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »XDragonDoomX wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »XDragonDoomX wrote: »Yr a vampire.
Vampirism is ugly.
Get over it & get on with your (un)life.
Au contraire, Stage One Breton vampire girls are cute as hell.
We'll agree to disagree then. I find -all- vampires ugly, no matter the sex, stage or anything else.
The NPC in the background looks hot!!
Edited by Cadbury on May 4, 2017 8:16PM"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."3 -
Vicarra✭✭✭✭✭Yes, if pay/ or love to earn a mortal skin disguise so i could hide my vamparism and help with rp (vampires would hide among mortals) and so i can enjoy not having my tatoos bleached and not looking overall uglyI think the lore-friendly solution would be for well-fed vamps to not show any signs at all of vampirism, whilst looking more like a bloodfiend the more time passes since they fed, at least whilst in cities. That would also help with immersion for RPers.
For the RP crowd (who don't want to RP as a vampire) that likes to also play the game on the side (for whom it might be convenient to be a vampire), I agree, the option to totally hide the vampirism would be ideal. If I were being greedy, I'd ask for both. It shouldn't be so hard to allow us to each have a "birthday suit" skin option that basically hides all status effects and returns our character to their default skin.PAWS - Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff!
Haakon Stormblade - Nord Illusionist, Dwemer scholar, Horse Whisperer, Bringer of Storms2 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, if pay/ or love to earn a mortal skin disguise so i could hide my vamparism and help with rp (vampires would hide among mortals) and so i can enjoy not having my tatoos bleached and not looking overall uglyI think the lore-friendly solution would be for well-fed vamps to not show any signs at all of vampirism, whilst looking more like a bloodfiend the more time passes since they fed, at least whilst in cities. That would also help with immersion for RPers.
For the RP crowd (who don't want to RP as a vampire) that likes to also play the game on the side (for whom it might be convenient to be a vampire), I agree, the option to totally hide the vampirism would be ideal. If I were being greedy, I'd ask for both. It shouldn't be so hard to allow us to each have a "birthday suit" skin option that basically hides all status effects and returns our character to their default skin.
"Mortal's Guise" might be slightly less... uh, "provocative." 0 -
Kodrac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You could always not min-max a vampire. If the all-powerful OCD compels you to break out in hives if you don't, there's drugs for that sort of thing.2 -
Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Totally unbiased poll you got there OP.
You chose to become a vampire knowing full well what would come with it. The curse is the visual changes. Otherwise there is no real downside. Hasnt been since the early days when enough of you cried about how bad fire was for you. Now you want to be able to walk around looking like a normal mortal while basking in the glory that is the powers of vampirism. Sorry. But No. No one forced you to look like you do. You chose it.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax7 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭no, you are a vampire and I wanna force my cosmetic preference on you even though I can choose to stay looking a vampire myself if i want and even tho players can hide their skins already with hidious flashlight skins and disguisesstarkerealm wrote: »
And have to spam mist form all those times to get back to my beloved stsge 4... no chance in hell. I got irked when the halloween drink took me to stage 3.
If you want to make a point do the work yourself then tell us about it. My four master vamps are staying at stage 4.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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Vicarra✭✭✭✭✭Yes, if pay/ or love to earn a mortal skin disguise so i could hide my vamparism and help with rp (vampires would hide among mortals) and so i can enjoy not having my tatoos bleached and not looking overall uglyThere are a couple of lore points that I feel are pertinent.
Firstly, vampires have an affinity for magic, and illusion magic is common. Common enough that it is not inconceivable that a vampire would be able to glamour themselves to look human. There are plenty of quests, in this game and others, where characters use illusion magic to disguise themselves.
Secondly, some strains of vampire (well, Cyrodiilic at least) are " Indistinguishable from the living if well-fed". This at least is justification of having no visible traits of vampirism when well-fed. If looking like a fresh-dug corpse is indeed "punishment" for choosing to be a vampire, at least during the stage when you garner no benefit from your vampirism, you shouldn't have to look like one.
My sources for these comments? UESP, obviously.
It does occur to me that perhaps the real reason why people don't want others to hide their vampirism for any reason at all, no matter how valid, is that vampires were so brokenly OP for so long that they're afraid of them making a resurgence. Well, in that case, if vampires become the new meta, just stack fire damage in pvp... obviously.
Wait, you want to play the way -you- want and not be beholden to the opinions and playstyles of others? Well, welcome to the OP's point of view. Choices you make for the pve or pvp life of your character ONLY intersect with RP when it comes to vampirism. Why should RPers have to make a "pve/pvp" and an RP version of the same character, just because of a simple cosmetic effect? It's not so simple to "just level more characters" when you spend half your game time roleplaying.PAWS - Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff!
Haakon Stormblade - Nord Illusionist, Dwemer scholar, Horse Whisperer, Bringer of Storms1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, if pay/ or love to earn a mortal skin disguise so i could hide my vamparism and help with rp (vampires would hide among mortals) and so i can enjoy not having my tatoos bleached and not looking overall uglystarkerealm wrote: »
And have to spam mist form all those times to get back to my beloved stsge 4... no chance in hell. I got irked when the halloween drink took me to stage 3.
If you want to make a point do the work yourself then tell us about it. My four master vamps are staying at stage 4.
Your fire resist goes to normal.
Your cost discount also goes to zero.
Your health regen stays at 100%.
In short, you're now, effectively, a non-vampire at Stage 1. It is, strictly, a cosmetic choice now, if you don't have any abilities slotted.1 -
jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭How can something completely subjective be used for "balance"? And why would somebody care about how other players' characters look like?
Edit:Bouldercleave wrote: »
Because precious, sometimes in life you don't get everything that you want and not everything is perfectly equal.
That's not a reason to make something not more equal.
i am trying to dredge meaning out of the phrase i put in bold....
that's not a reason to make something not more equal..... wtf?????
things are equal or not.... you can't have something more equal or something less equal. if they are more, or less, then they are not ******* equal.....
if you are going to post at least try to make sense ffs....
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, if pay/ or love to earn a mortal skin disguise so i could hide my vamparism and help with rp (vampires would hide among mortals) and so i can enjoy not having my tatoos bleached and not looking overall uglyjedtb16_ESO wrote: »How can something completely subjective be used for "balance"? And why would somebody care about how other players' characters look like?
Edit:Bouldercleave wrote: »
Because precious, sometimes in life you don't get everything that you want and not everything is perfectly equal.
That's not a reason to make something not more equal.
i am trying to dredge meaning out of the phrase i put in bold....
that's not a reason to make something not more equal..... wtf?????
things are equal or not.... you can't have something more equal or something less equal. if they are more, or less, then they are not ******* equal.....
if you are going to post at least try to make sense ffs....
"Everyone is equal. Some are just more equal than others."0 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »How can something completely subjective be used for "balance"? And why would somebody care about how other players' characters look like?
Edit:Bouldercleave wrote: »
Because precious, sometimes in life you don't get everything that you want and not everything is perfectly equal.
That's not a reason to make something not more equal.
i am trying to dredge meaning out of the phrase i put in bold....
that's not a reason to make something not more equal..... wtf?????
things are equal or not.... you can't have something more equal or something less equal. if they are more, or less, then they are not ******* equal.....
if you are going to post at least try to make sense ffs....
"Everyone is equal. Some are just more equal than others."
Well, real life kinda proves that point, sadly..."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."1 -
jpeg✭✭no, you are a vampire and I wanna force my cosmetic preference on you even though I can choose to stay looking a vampire myself if i want and even tho players can hide their skins already with hidious flashlight skins and disguisesgrow up you cant always have your way, if you want to be a vampire you have to deal with the skin. Are you in third grade? Did you not learn you cant always get your way.2
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jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭starkerealm wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »How can something completely subjective be used for "balance"? And why would somebody care about how other players' characters look like?
Edit:Bouldercleave wrote: »
Because precious, sometimes in life you don't get everything that you want and not everything is perfectly equal.
That's not a reason to make something not more equal.
i am trying to dredge meaning out of the phrase i put in bold....
that's not a reason to make something not more equal..... wtf?????
things are equal or not.... you can't have something more equal or something less equal. if they are more, or less, then they are not ******* equal.....
if you are going to post at least try to make sense ffs....
"Everyone is equal. Some are just more equal than others."
oh great.... someone using a satirical quote from george orwell without understanding it...
all the poor snowflakes.....2 -
Bobby_V_Rockit✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, if pay/ or love to earn a mortal skin disguise so i could hide my vamparism and help with rp (vampires would hide among mortals) and so i can enjoy not having my tatoos bleached and not looking overall uglyI will only vote yes if werewolves get their stamina regen passive out of transformation.
My tank is ALWAYS a werewolf, even in his mer form he still has the curse, he is still a werewolf, he should have wolf blood (stamina regen).
Hey I'm selfish, I admit it.
Only if werewolves have some kind of cosmetic hinderance at all times, like hairy ears, a beard and furry hands...0 -
NordSwordnBoard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭no, you are a vampire and I wanna force my cosmetic preference on you even though I can choose to stay looking a vampire myself if i want and even tho players can hide their skins already with hidious flashlight skins and disguisesstarkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
And have to spam mist form all those times to get back to my beloved stsge 4... no chance in hell. I got irked when the halloween drink took me to stage 3.
If you want to make a point do the work yourself then tell us about it. My four master vamps are staying at stage 4.
Your fire resist goes to normal.
Your cost discount also goes to zero.
Your health regen stays at 100%.
In short, you're now, effectively, a non-vampire at Stage 1. It is, strictly, a cosmetic choice now, if you don't have any abilities slotted.
Do you mean abilities that require vapirism in order to access them? I dont see a skill line as being strictly cosmetic.Fear is the Mindkiller5 -
Integral1900✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I can see the reason to want to hide it though, I mean yes it looks cool on some races but for the most part it looks like a goth drug addict that just got booted out of a rehab clinic shortly before being beaten to a pulp in a bar brawl
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CaptainBeerDude✭✭✭✭✭no, you are a vampire and I wanna force my cosmetic preference on you even though I can choose to stay looking a vampire myself if i want and even tho players can hide their skins already with hidious flashlight skins and disguisesBobby_V_Rockit wrote: »I will only vote yes if werewolves get their stamina regen passive out of transformation.
My tank is ALWAYS a werewolf, even in his mer form he still has the curse, he is still a werewolf, he should have wolf blood (stamina regen).
Hey I'm selfish, I admit it.
Only if werewolves have some kind of cosmetic hinderance at all times, like hairy ears, a beard and furry hands...
Cool. Does that mean I don't have to slot it as my ultimate to get my stam regen now?
Edit: typoEdited by CaptainBeerDude on May 4, 2017 9:57PM3 -
Bladerunner1✭✭✭✭Upsides to being a stage 4 vampire:
Sneak around like roadrunner - 100% uptime
+10% stamina / magicka regen - 100% uptime
Slot any ultimate you like
Up to 33% damage mitigation
Access to Mistform and Drain Essence any time you want it
Downsides to being a stage 4 vampire:
Ow fire hurt
Ow fighters guild hurt
Slower health regen
Ugly as ****
Take away ugly as **** and why wouldn't everyone be a Vamp? Maybe make stage one look like a mortal?2 -
Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I think the title is hilarious. Those opposed to vampires having their vampiric looks taken away are being accused of being selfish by someone that is obviously making the argument for selfish reasons.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax7 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, if pay/ or love to earn a mortal skin disguise so i could hide my vamparism and help with rp (vampires would hide among mortals) and so i can enjoy not having my tatoos bleached and not looking overall uglyKorah_Eaglecry wrote: »I think the title is hilarious. Those opposed to vampires having their vampiric looks taken away are being accused of being selfish by someone that is obviously making the argument for selfish reasons.
This thread isn't about completely taking vampires looks away from them, I clearly said I wanted a optional skin to disguise myself like count verandis did... so those that want to look like a bloodsucker can choose to stay looking like a blood sucker if they choose to.
Edited by Aliyavana on May 5, 2017 3:50AM2 -
Bobby_V_Rockit✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, if pay/ or love to earn a mortal skin disguise so i could hide my vamparism and help with rp (vampires would hide among mortals) and so i can enjoy not having my tatoos bleached and not looking overall uglyBladerunner1 wrote: »Upsides to being a stage 4 vampire:
Sneak around like roadrunner - 100% uptime
+10% stamina / magicka regen - 100% uptime
Slot any ultimate you like
Up to 33% damage mitigation
Access to Mistform and Drain Essence any time you want it
Downsides to being a stage 4 vampire:
Ow fire hurt
Ow fighters guild hurt
Slower health regen
Ugly as ****
Take away ugly as **** and why wouldn't everyone be a Vamp? Maybe make stage one look like a mortal?
Really? I dont see "ugly as ***" or anything regarding appearance on the list in the character sheet under active effects for vampirism...0 -
ProfesseurFreder✭✭✭✭✭A vampire is an animated corpse. You want to be a vampire, there's a trade-off, buddy. You're gonna look like a corpse, because that's what you are.
Glittery beautiful vampires are stupid Hollywood inventions. So are bleeding vampires -- they're stone dead, so by definition their hearts don't pump and the stuff in their veins is dust. Driving a stake through a vampire's chest doesn't kill a vampire, it just NAILS HIM TO THE GROUND so he can't get around. The only way to permanently stop a vampire is to cut off its head, stuff the mouth with garlic and bury the head separately from the body.
My understanding is that in ESO lore a vampire can also be cured. So -- if you really want to look like your old self, take the cure.
I'm of the "vampires should look sick and corpselike" school.
The only thing worse than a vampire is a CRYBABY vampire."Nothing by which all human passion and hope and folly can be mirrored and then proved ever was just a game."
-- William Faulkner.6
