tinbromide wrote: »

Someone has to be last.

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Not surprised about how they went back and took a look at siphoning strikes with all the videos showing how useless it is and all the feedback etc. I will be surprised however if they continue to buff them throughout the PTS, this seems as though Zos has no real plans this patch for NB. At least there's a new class to play around with.

ManDraKE wrote: »

the nerf to crit bonus from stealth is kinda irrelevant, unless you are playing a full ganking build.

As an ambusher style class, this is hugely relevant. Nightblades don't have tools for toe to toe fighting unless they are tank built. Also its not the "achetype" many people go for when building a stealth character. So that is actually a pretty big deal as Nightblades either smoke someone from stealth and run, or fail to kill anything and die because they are squishy.

Actually, with the direction things seem to be going, Templars losing some of their healing, DK's some of their tankiness, it makes me wonder on a broader scale what the point even is of classes in ESO? It seems counterproductive to have concepts at odds with each other: To have both classes, which typically denote a role and specialty, and also generic skill choices define a character's role. Its mixing two systems, class based and open skill based, that are stepping on each others toes trying to define the same aspects.

ljb2k5_ESO wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

the nerf to crit bonus from stealth is kinda irrelevant, unless you are playing a full ganking build.

As an ambusher style class, this is hugely relevant. Nightblades don't have tools for toe to toe fighting unless they are tank built. Also its not the "achetype" many people go for when building a stealth character. So that is actually a pretty big deal as Nightblades either smoke someone from stealth and run, or fail to kill anything and die because they are squishy.

Actually, with the direction things seem to be going, Templars losing some of their healing, DK's some of their tankiness, it makes me wonder on a broader scale what the point even is of classes in ESO? It seems counterproductive to have concepts at odds with each other: To have both classes, which typically denote a role and specialty, and also generic skill choices define a character's role. Its mixing two systems, class based and open skill based, that are stepping on each others toes trying to define the same aspects.

Alot of the changes seem to be putting many of the classes on balance with one another so they all can be more effective at any given role. Like NB are now almost on par with temps as healers and as DPS even though many are here complaining the opposite and how DK are more on par with temps as tanks. But again many are only looking at the nerfs and not many are looking at why they did this which brings us back to the many unused gear sets that now become more viable for many build types.

These changes really just open the game up and allow more classes to branch into other roles then what we had before. I know many will say well the sorc this and the sorc that but in truth all the classes are closer to being equal now then the release of one Tamriel. Yes the sorc is still the better choice for AOE dps the NB for single target dps, the temps are still top healer and the DK still top tank but all classes are more aligned to play more roles now.

But in truth its to make more options in choice viable and its even more apparent now then it was for a long time.

Stealth atk nerf only hits gankers, any class can be gankers, I get that theres a lot of nbs that are gankers, but the stealth atk nerf is a good thing.

NBs however need alot of buffs to become a viable choice for pvp/pve. For pvp I think they need better healing, minor vitality etc. For pve they need better AoE and (stam)dots.

if light and heavy attacks is the meta... then give us back Haste...

We shall bring bodies for Stamplars to fight over.

Crafting.

They will be great for speed cloaking around zone and picking all your harvest maps and treasure maps!

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

NBs bring more burst because of the non class changes that happened. They are in a sense buffed because of less heavy armor users, along with master at arms buffing all of their damage. Along with how high befoul can scale now.

Your argument may be flawed. The non-class changes you are refering to effect everyone so the result is the same, moreso when the cps are front-loaded now. Let me give you an example:

We have 4 classes each of the 3 classes have a score of 10 but nb has a score of 8.
Now if we do changes and add a bonus of +5 to all classes the new score will be 15 for the three classes and 13 for nb. Which does not change anything.

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

NBs bring more burst because of the non class changes that happened. They are in a sense buffed because of less heavy armor users, along with master at arms buffing all of their damage. Along with how high befoul can scale now.

Also reverb/darkflare and that warden aoe defile gets buffed with befoul now, even more so because it's not an ultimate right? And yes everyone got buffed because there will be less heavy armour users now, I agree. I get what you're saying though; it's like saying DK has the least amount of burst out of all stam classes when going the sword and shield route and when Tremor got introduced they got buffed. They didn't get buffed directly but indirectly while it being universal as well.

Nightblades will bring being annoying to the table. I for one know if they don't fix siphoning attacks I will be doing a lot more stalling with cloak. We may be able to annoy a player into giving up by spamming stealth, roots, and CCs.

Dalsinthus wrote: »

They make great crafting alts.

They'll still be the best gankers, but that's not saying much as ganking was nerfed. It had already been getting more difficult due to the tanky builds everyone runs in Cyrodiil these days.

Otherwise... you'll perform better playing another class. I say this as someone with a stamblade main.

I have both stamina and magicka NBs. They are only pvp chars.

What about tanky builds - ye ofc, there are a lot of people with very tanky stuffs, but in other hand - a lot of "one-shoted" ones too. Just want to say that it's easy to kill 70% of people with stamblade using: *all buffed* - HA(bow) - Poison Injection - Ambush - Incap(or Dawnbreaker, depends on your foe). Sometimes executioner needed(or even 1-2 spam surprise attack). But still the common combo is deadly.
For magicka nb something like: *all buffed* - HA(inferno) - Swallow Soul - Destro reach(clench) - Soul Assault. And ye, mb need to do additional swallow soul attacks or impale if you dont have ultimate ready.
I'm playing in Azura, dont know what happens in other campaings(sometimes we go to Haderus with Zen, Ramius, Marco and others but situation is still the same). Ofc when I tried to kill Cyrisus today(who is emp) - that was pretty hard and I didn't succeed, same goes to, actually, tanks or some "semi-dd-tank" but whatever. As I said ~70% are easy to kill.
Ganking is a way more harder playstyle as someone might to think, but it's still rewarded.

What about to play another class for better results, uhm. Yes, you're right. Definitely right. But the problem is that, for some reasons, people want to play as a specific class. You might say "ok, yup, do what you want but as I said - you'll get higher results playing another classes, this isnt my problem after all". And do you really think the game should go this way? Please, dont think that i'm insulting you, no way.

QQ on the forums for Devs entertainment.

Everyone thinks nightblades lost all stealth damage because of how vague zos's patch notes are. All that was lost was a hidden stealth bonus on initial attack. Gankers will still wreck face, just the 1 shot builds will be nerfed.

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