Should you be punished for trolls in Dungeons?

FearlessOne_2014 · April 2017

So did a vet dungeon for pledge and Undaunted completion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlCFtGoDRpI&feature=youtu.be

Should as in the video you can see it's just me and one other DPS doing the 1st boss. The healer and the other DPS was being very very mailcous towards me. After I gave him the "-.-" after he answered my question with a no. So I had a strong feeling that they was going to be highly annoying troll, so I started recording.

The question was. "Do healer has shards?" Healer answered "Lol no" group proceded to troll me. I'm tank by the way.

After we cleared the 1st boss with me and only one other DPS. While the healer and the other DPS just sat back and laughed it up. They kicked me from the dungeon. Leaving me with a 15 minute queue timer.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert This is highly unacceptable. For you to allow game mechanics for malicious trolls to punish others, who are actually trying to get group content done.

Lucky for me I had a guild who backed me up and we did the pledges afterwards. But I truly feel that either the dungeon timer just needs to go. Or when evidence of malicious trolls as such presents it self. These people should have administration action taking on their accounts. It should not just be ok for these types of players who are very damaging to your game community to run free doing this to other players, and the victims are the ones to be punished by the game mechanics.

WalksonGraves · April 2017

Just get rid of the queue timer and be done with it.

Only troll is the idiot at ZOS that thought a 15 minute penalty was a good idea. It's like they were either the most innocent person with zero knowledge of gaming or they wanted to waste what is now a total of years of people's lives.
15 minutes x eso's player base x broken lfg = so much time zos has collectively murdered multiple users by wasting a human's lifespan several times.

zaria · April 2017

Other

Vote kick or leave, it should be very easy to get an vote kick against an troll.
is it two just leave, they can have fun waiting for an new tank.

And trolls in dungeons are rare, never run into them except once and that was just fun, tank pulling insane amount of trash and we wiped, because both DD was away on a boss in normal dungeon.
Why should an templar not throw shards?

FearlessOne_2014 · April 2017

Just get rid of the queue timer and be done with it.

zaria wrote: »

Vote kick or leave, it should be very easy to get an vote kick against an troll.
And trolls in dungeons are rare, never run into them except once and that was just fun, tank pulling insane amount of trash and we wiped, because both DD was away on a boss in normal dungeon.
Why should an templar not throw shards?

The problem was that the troll had friends. Which decided to troll with the troll.

IronCrystal · April 2017

All of the above.

While I don't agree with the actions of the 2 who stood back, I'm gonna say the vote to kick requires 3 votes against you so I don't see the problem with kicking people if all 3 agree to it. I mean, what if there is a troll and the other 3 want to get rid of the troll? We need a way to kick people.

As far as the timer, I'm on the fence. While sometimes people do nothing wrong and get a timer, it is used to prevent trolls from insta-requeing again. It is also used to prevent people from re-rolling their random dungeon until they get the one they want.

Balamoor · April 2017

"Balamoor looks at the thread and realizes, it is only a problem for people who pug, and goes back to enjoying the game with his friends."

DaveMoeDee · April 2017

Obviously you can't automate troll punishment so that solution is not on the table.

Lavennin · April 2017

Wait, you can vote kick a person even if you and the others queued as a group? And that person getting kicked will be punished (new player here)?

If so, that's bad design. If any argument happens, expect friends to back each other up and someone getting punished unfairly.

FearlessOne_2014 · April 2017

Just get rid of the queue timer and be done with it.

IronCrystal wrote: »

While I don't agree with the actions of the 2 who stood back, I'm gonna say the vote to kick requires 3 votes against you so I don't see the problem with kicking people if all 3 agree to it. I mean, what if there is a troll and the other 3 want to get rid of the troll? We need a way to kick people.

As far as the timer, I'm on the fence. While sometimes people do nothing wrong and get a timer, it is used to prevent trolls from insta-requeing again. It is also used to prevent people from re-rolling their random dungeon until they get the one they want.

So there is no problem in the fact that the two who are trolling being complete ***. And to top it off sat back and did nothing but troll. Then kick the tank who was actually trying to get the pledge done.

You see no problem with that? Ok good to know. Then I see no problem with undaunted levels being unlodged from group content. And being completely obtainable without having to subject yourself to players like such. Why should my game be destroyed by blatantly malicious players like such who can't even deny it. Hell there is a video of them being *** for all to see.

But this is ok, right? How about there are either two routes both solo and group, equal time and effort to get undaunted level 9. Or just completely remove it from the game. Since it offers such a unfair advantage that's being gated by trolls.

s7732425ub17_ESO · April 2017

No one cares. Leave the group, find another, and move on with life.

zaria · April 2017

Other

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Vote kick or leave, it should be very easy to get an vote kick against an troll.
And trolls in dungeons are rare, never run into them except once and that was just fun, tank pulling insane amount of trash and we wiped, because both DD was away on a boss in normal dungeon.
Why should an templar not throw shards?

The problem was that the troll had friends. Which decided to troll with the troll.

Yes, saw that later, in that case I would just leave. Their wait for an replacement tank will probably longer than your timeout and if lucky they get an fake tank.

FearlessOne_2014 · April 2017

Just get rid of the queue timer and be done with it.

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

No one cares. Leave the group, find another, and move on with life.

Why even respond here at all. If that's what you are going to post?

Balamoor wrote: »

"Balamoor looks at the thread and realizes, it is only a problem for people who pug, and goes back to enjoying the game with his friends."

Some of us had many friends who used to play this game. But all of them no longer plays. So are you going to sit here and tell me that. I should just quit ESO because I don't have any friends anymore? Come on lets be reasonable.

AndrewQ84 · April 2017

All of the above.

Lesson learned. Best chance is to run with guildies. Going through the group finder is like playing Russian roulette with a six shooter that has four bullets in it. More often than not, you lose. But that does not include every time. There are some times when you get a good group, but since it does not happen often, it's best to just avoid all together and run with fellow guildies.

And as far as the poll, I believe that timer should be removed and you should not be punished becuase people wanted to behave like jackasses.

Eshelmen · April 2017

Here's the thing, the queue system doesn't know if a player is being a jerk or not. It's just programmed to penalize the player who drops out/or gets booted.

This system clearly was made with the intention that a vast majority of 4 man queues are relatively competent.
Which could very well be true, but for me personally, it's a hit and miss.
Too many players *** and moan even from wiping once and then leave. It's insane how much little patience people have, while playing an mmo.

People, it's very important to create your own 4 man group and have players ready that you already know.
I know, I know, you don't have the time, etc.. Etc...
But get time, the reward is better than you think.
Less headaches, better chance to have chemistry with your group in which results in better performance.

And I think it's important to consider that ZOS may understand the risks involved with queueing for a random dungeon, as they do compensate quite well once finished.
Each day, doing a random dungeon queue can yield 400,000-1,000,000 XP (if enlightened, first time completion etc.)

RT_Frank · April 2017

Just get rid of the queue timer and be done with it.

I'm all for removing queue timers, but this will make 600s quit for no reason when they see two 300s in a group. To counter that there should be CP ranges where being within that range will group you with others in that range. These ranges could with 100, 150, or 200 CP.

Wonky_Jr · April 2017

Just get rid of the queue timer and be done with it.

It annoys me when the group finder for a random dungeon doesn't work correctly and I then have to wait 15mins to queue again.
Or when I'm not the group leader and I don't get the bonus so I have to re run again for the xp / undauanted supplies.

Danksta · April 2017

Yes people should be able to act like trolls and you should have to pay.

Hey, trolls have the right to have fun too.

theher0not · April 2017

Other

Trolls should risk getting a temp ban.

And there should be some changes to the dung cooldown timer. I think it should be changed a litle bit, but I still feel like we need it or people will abuse the lack of a leaver penalty.

Dr.NRG · April 2017

Just get rid of the queue timer and be done with it.

the only time you should be punished is when you que in hard vet dungeons like whitegold with less than 300cp.
That happened so many times to me that I have to keep leaving groups as everyone dies at the first mini boss already doing nothing but spamming light attacks and rapid regen.

Please dond uese vet que in gerneral untill you at least cp300. 300 is so easy to get now if you are below, we know you are still learning the game and most likely got no clue. Dont punish vet groups by queing into something you cant beat!

Kodrac · April 2017

Who had the banker out? LOL I mean really.

Browiseth · April 2017

Yes people should be able to act like trolls and you should have to pay.

why is this even a poll

danno8 · April 2017

Other

Switch to a vMSA ready build and just solo the dungeons yourself. Less time wasted. Normals are a joke, and many Veteran are pretty easy too.

OrphanHelgen · April 2017

Other

First of all, we have no idea what was going on before the boss, so that means there is two sides of the story.
2nd of all, could you try standing still with the boss? You don't need to move at all. I see you hold block and move backwards like, there is nothing to move away from. Also, the camera are too close to your character. It hurts me to see this. The screaming at the end made me laugh btw XD

idk · April 2017

Zos cannot reasonably stop others from acting like childish trolls as you explain in OP. However, there is no excuse for Zos punishing those kicked form a group with a lock out.

In other games I've only seen those who choose to leave a GF group get the lockout. Since players kicked like you were still get the lockout after all this time it seems Zos is content with such a poor design. It's been my hope they'd fix it eventually but there doesn't seem to be much of a chance for this to be fixed.

QUEZ420 · April 2017

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

No one cares. Leave the group, find another, and move on with life.

Read over this comment multiple times until u "move on with life." .....trolls r everywhere, welcome to the internet.

overclocker303b14_ESO · April 2017

The poll is a bit silly and reads like it was written by someone that just got their sweetroll stolen, so didn't bother filling it out.

I also don't know that I would blame ZOS much for this.

With no penalty in place at all people could just join a PUG then leave immediately and troll that way, so I agree that if you leave a group too soon you should get a timer but don't know that it should happen when you get kicked.

In your case it looks like you got grouped with a couple of jerks. Doesn't happen all the time but can happen and that is the risk of using any LFG tool. In my case even if they didn't kick me I would have just left and dealt with the penalty.

Megabear · April 2017

Other

Personally I think it's better to just leave and be done with it. Trolls typically don't do well in real life so they already have it bad as it is.

Malic · April 2017

It's 2017 and you are in an MMO.

Give me a break already. You move on, games are filled with toxic people you really thing ZOS is going to punish them? LOL

This is ZOS, you know they ones who let a gap closer bug get in after it was reported on the PTS multiple times then declared it a bug and banned people?

LOL

WalksonGraves · April 2017

Just get rid of the queue timer and be done with it.

Kodrac wrote: »

Who had the banker out? LOL I mean really.

Having the banker out in raids scares away adds with bad credit, hot tip.

Insandros · April 2017

Timer has a single goal, if you ever played other MMOs, you know hoe annoying it can be when people keeps leaving pugs and taking hell of a time to find smeone else. so you put in a timer, people will think about it before leaving for no reasons. Mo timer, leads to people leaving alot because they know there is not a timer to requeue, now sit back, look how much time sometimes it takes to get a group going, then if people leave easy, you'll have to find a replacement, taking a lot of time, then lots of time, when someone gets in and there is already some bosses dead, well if it's for pledges, it's pointless for them.

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