Go kicked out of my guild teamspeak for not getting a beta invite

Berenhir · April 2017

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

LOL as if anyone would give a damn about that NDA.

Can't ZOS sue you if you break it? If that is the case I would care a lot.

Yeah, well, they would need to provide evidence, file a lawsuit, and then and therefore get exposed on the internet for suing their own players.

I am no expert for US civil law but I seriously doubt that all U.S. courts can freely use evidence obtained by secretly recording a private team speak conversation. It's at least illegal in some states and making use of such methods to sue their own players is not a wise idea in terms of marketing and public relations.

Moreover, I could sue the wiretapper for recording private team speak conversations and Zenimax for using these recordings as that is a criminal offense in Germany.

So to come to a conclusion: OP's guild mates are jerks.

Sakiri · April 2017

notimetocare wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

mbn89 wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

ashenb14_ESO wrote: »

...you childish zos fanboi.

could you show me a single case of people being sued for talking about a game beta on voice chat..please. im sure you can...im sure zos monitors voice servers hosted by other companies/entities...right?

I'm not a fan boi, quite far from it. I've had mods threaten to ban my forum account many times for things I've said about ZeniMax.

As for being sued. ZeniMax has proven they will sue, and sue hard if you violate their NDA.
http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/1/14442212/facebook-oculus-zenimax-vr-lawsuit-verdict-palmer-luckey
Out of the $500 miliion Occulus has to pay, $200 mil was for the NDA violation.

But in the end, its a CYA.

Suing the creators of Occulus for millions isn't the same as suing an individual for an amount that you will never ever see because his earning potential isn't very high...be lucky to get your court and attorney fees back from him before he dies if he pays the absolute minimum.

That doesn't mean it's not a possibility.

Likely, no. Possible, yes.

They're more likely to threaten to sue than actually do it... but IIRC, the original launch beta consequences were booting from beta.

NDA is much more intended to block major publication of info. At worst a player would see account ban and possibly a small civil suit. NDA is a fear tactic

A small civil suit can still wreck your average player, depending on how much you're stuck paying.

Nifty2g · April 2017

Pallmor wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Not ZOS's fault. Sounds like crappy humans to me. But they should have created a new channel instead of kicking you out

It's ZOS's fault for making it a closed beta instead of an open one and imposing an NDA. Now those of us who didn't get an invite are now persona non grata, even in our own guilds.

It's under NDA so they can protect their story and content. Otherwise people would get spoilers/free content.

Blame the members in your guild for having bad attitudes. In our discord we created a channel for everyone who got invites. It's not hard to do, no need to kick anyone.

notimetocare · April 2017

Sakiri wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

mbn89 wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

ashenb14_ESO wrote: »

...you childish zos fanboi.

could you show me a single case of people being sued for talking about a game beta on voice chat..please. im sure you can...im sure zos monitors voice servers hosted by other companies/entities...right?

I'm not a fan boi, quite far from it. I've had mods threaten to ban my forum account many times for things I've said about ZeniMax.

As for being sued. ZeniMax has proven they will sue, and sue hard if you violate their NDA.
http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/1/14442212/facebook-oculus-zenimax-vr-lawsuit-verdict-palmer-luckey
Out of the $500 miliion Occulus has to pay, $200 mil was for the NDA violation.

But in the end, its a CYA.

Suing the creators of Occulus for millions isn't the same as suing an individual for an amount that you will never ever see because his earning potential isn't very high...be lucky to get your court and attorney fees back from him before he dies if he pays the absolute minimum.

That doesn't mean it's not a possibility.

Likely, no. Possible, yes.

They're more likely to threaten to sue than actually do it... but IIRC, the original launch beta consequences were booting from beta.

NDA is much more intended to block major publication of info. At worst a player would see account ban and possibly a small civil suit. NDA is a fear tactic

A small civil suit can still wreck your average player, depending on how much you're stuck paying.

I say small because they would aim to settle on what can be handled. Less hassle, less court fee

bitels · April 2017

notimetocare wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

mbn89 wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

ashenb14_ESO wrote: »

...you childish zos fanboi.

could you show me a single case of people being sued for talking about a game beta on voice chat..please. im sure you can...im sure zos monitors voice servers hosted by other companies/entities...right?

I'm not a fan boi, quite far from it. I've had mods threaten to ban my forum account many times for things I've said about ZeniMax.

As for being sued. ZeniMax has proven they will sue, and sue hard if you violate their NDA.
http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/1/14442212/facebook-oculus-zenimax-vr-lawsuit-verdict-palmer-luckey
Out of the $500 miliion Occulus has to pay, $200 mil was for the NDA violation.

But in the end, its a CYA.

Suing the creators of Occulus for millions isn't the same as suing an individual for an amount that you will never ever see because his earning potential isn't very high...be lucky to get your court and attorney fees back from him before he dies if he pays the absolute minimum.

That doesn't mean it's not a possibility.

Likely, no. Possible, yes.

They're more likely to threaten to sue than actually do it... but IIRC, the original launch beta consequences were booting from beta.

NDA is much more intended to block major publication of info. At worst a player would see account ban and possibly a small civil suit. NDA is a fear tactic

A small civil suit can still wreck your average player, depending on how much you're stuck paying.

I say small because they would aim to settle on what can be handled. Less hassle, less court fee

I dont belive that they would go thru problems of law suit, but account perma banning? Yeah, they would do that without second thought, couse they have right to do that without providing much of evidence.

I would not risk that. And we are all adults here, if you agree to NDA you should follow it. If you cannot do that, then you should not participate in closed beta- simple as that.

bitels · April 2017

Double post. Sorry.

Tabbycat · April 2017

SquareSausage wrote: »

Pallmor I am sorry that we had to kick you, but you must understand we are not allowed to tell anyone about what we experience on the Beta server.

Once all Beta testing is complete we will re-invite you, but you must also resubmit a guild application.

Thanks

I'm thinking Palimor should just find a new guild. Seems to be too much guild drama going on in that one.

I realize it is your guild to do as you wish but, yes that was a **** move on your part.

The Uninvited · April 2017

Cadbury wrote: »

pugyourself wrote: »

Pallmor wrote: »

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Not ZOS's fault. Sounds like crappy humans to me. But they should have created a new channel instead of kicking you out

It's ZOS's fault for making it a closed beta instead of an open one and imposing an NDA. Now those of us who didn't get an invite are now persona non grata, even in our own guilds.

I'd find a new guild. They sound like jerks TBH.

Maybe his guild was one of the top guilds in ESO. With a 6 month waiting list.

I still wouldn't be playing with jerks, even if they are one of the top guilds with a waiting list.

rootimus · April 2017

notimetocare wrote: »

NDA is a fear tactic

In all the legal BS that we've agreed to in order to play this game, and the presumably extra legal BS that the beta testers have to agree to, is there anything at all in there that gives ZOS the right to put your real name out there if you violate the NDA? Not being a contract lawyer, I have no idea.

More than one Eve Online player has done something this silly in the past and now potential employers can google their name and see that they can't be trusted. In one case, the lady in question even worked in the games industry - you can bet she'll never get another job there.

NDA is a serious thing that can affect your professional life.

Casterial · April 2017

They're breaking the NDA themselves.

Sovaso · April 2017

lmao.

skywarnmc27 · April 2017

If what you said is accurate, and for no other reasons, I would drop their guild like a rock. No need to stick around with people, who are jerks.

Knootewoot · April 2017

Pallmor wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

You'll be better off without them.

I've been in that guild since 2014. They're my friends. Now they're scared ZOS is going to pull their ESO accounts if they even mention the beta around me.

"Friends"

Bwahahaha

Bam_Bam · April 2017

Rubbish guild, move on.

Tabbycat · April 2017

Casterial wrote: »

They're breaking the NDA themselves.

LOL This is funny because it is so true.

Participants in closed betas are not allowed to even reveal they are in a closed beta.

So, by telling you they are all in the closed beta, they just broke NDA.

Kyosji · April 2017

So you got kicked out of your teamspeak because they didn't want to break the NDA.....You're complaining, but you're not giving us a lot of detail here. First off, how many channels were in the server? If more than 1, did they ask you to move channels first? If they did ask you, did you refuse?

I read this, and in all honesty it would make more sense that the people in the channel lacked the power to create channels, but someone had the power to kick. Possibly OP was in the channel, ws asked to move, and refused, so they kicked him.

That makes a hell of a lot more sense than being kicked out of a teamspeak channel for a guild you've been a part of since 2014.

eso_nya · April 2017

Wow. This is getting more and more hilarious.

Facts we know:
Someone joined a TS channel, was asked if he has beta invite. Said "no". Was explained what a nda is and asked (maybe even polite??) to leave the channel.

There is but one conclusion:
GINA BRUNO KICKS PPL OUT OF TAMRIEL FOR NOT PREODERING MORROWIND!!!! P2W!!!

Darcwolf · April 2017

SquareSausage wrote: »

Pallmor I am sorry that we had to kick you, but you must understand we are not allowed to tell anyone about what we experience on the Beta server.

Once all Beta testing is complete we will re-invite you, but you must also resubmit a guild application.

Thanks

He has to resubmit a guild application? LMAO, pallmor why the hell do even want to be in this guild? Sounds like a great bunch of "friends" to me. What the phrase? With friends like these who needs enemies?

Enodoc · April 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

CMFan1966 wrote: »

I was under the impression that an NDA meant they shouldn't be discussing it at all...including with each other. Your guild should not have kicked you because they weren't supposed to even mention getting an invite. I'm sorry that happened to you @Pallmor.

Nda does not stop anyone who signed from talking about it with other the testers. That would be ridiculous.

@WalksonGraves It actually does. One of the things you agree to when signing the NDA is not discussing the things covered by the NDA on any forum or chat room outside of the official beta forums. By discussing the beta on Teamspeak, private or otherwise, they are violating the NDA.

WalksonGraves · April 2017

Enodoc wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

CMFan1966 wrote: »

I was under the impression that an NDA meant they shouldn't be discussing it at all...including with each other. Your guild should not have kicked you because they weren't supposed to even mention getting an invite. I'm sorry that happened to you @Pallmor.

Nda does not stop anyone who signed from talking about it with other the testers. That would be ridiculous.

@WalksonGraves It actually does. One of the things you agree to when signing the NDA is not discussing the things covered by the NDA on any forum or chat room outside of the official beta forums. By discussing the beta on Teamspeak, private or otherwise, they are violating the NDA.

That is discussion in public, not at all the same as testers communicating amongst each other. Trust me I was a QA and Localization tester for a lot of the crap you've played.

Saera · April 2017

Sorry but that is not a ZOS fault.. that is your guildies.. you cant blame ZOS for your guildies being dumb and not just making an additional TS channel for them to talk about it among themselves...

That's like any of the following which are pretty dumb:
- me getting mad at a bank because i did not get any of the money that my friends robbed from them...
- me getting mad at a car company because i did not get a car even though my friends got one

You cant be mad at a company for something that someone else did... yes zos made an NDA to protect their content and storyline, but they did NOT tell your guildies to be dumb and NOT make an additional ts channel for you to speak in