Argonians...it bothers me

Lyserus · April 2017

I mean, argonians are no mammals...

their female lay eggs..their baby don't even drink milk then why do they have "that"?

their male,,,well if you know your biology, crocs' "manly thing" is hidden in the body unless they are mating........I donno...just feel weird thinking about this

Hope I don't get ban for discussing biology things

k9mouse · April 2017

Argonians need hist sap when they are young to be an Argonian, if a hist tree is not around (read dunmer slavers), then the mother can breast feed the hatchlings.

Browiseth · April 2017

they're anthromorphic lizard people

meaning have person half lizard

half mammal half whatever

fiction

Dread_Guy · April 2017

k9mouse wrote: »

Argonians need hist sap when they are young to be an Argonian, if a hist tree is not around (read dunmer slavers), then the mother can breast feed the hatchlings.

Wait...does that mean hist sap is breast milk? Those lizards are getting high off of breast milk?!

Jitterbug · April 2017

If the female has breasts the animal is a mammal... no?
Not that Earth biology is comparable to Nirn biology, but that seems to be what we are trying to do here.

k9mouse · April 2017

Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

Argonians need hist sap when they are young to be an Argonian, if a hist tree is not around (read dunmer slavers), then the mother can breast feed the hatchlings.

Wait...does that mean hist sap is breast milk? Those lizards are getting high off of breast milk?!

it is more like half and half hist milk, real hist sap is better than hist milk. Hist sap / milk does NOT make argonian high because they have a special connection to the Hist tree. The other races is a different story...

Bouldercleave · April 2017

You may be over thinking things a bit. It's a fantasy world - Many, Many things are different than real world biology.

Galwylin · April 2017

I'm pretty sure breast are the sole defining female characteristic. Just put that in your mind and it all makes perfect sense.

Loves_guars · April 2017

Maybe they are more like mammals that just lay eggs like the Platypus?

Myyth · April 2017

nvm lol my comment was censored

Shgon_Dunstan · April 2017

They are magically engineered by trees... I recall some mention that they might actually be tree people who just look like lizards. Hell, one lore book talks about how they are in fact cold blooded, and yet aren't bothered by the cold regardless of that fact.

Oh yeah, and IIRC they can give live birth if needed.

... In short, the argonians can do pretty much anything the Hist thought would make them better able to serve them.

dimensional · April 2017

Why do you even care? There are talking, humanoid lizards in a game with magic and extra planar dimensions. Throw your expectations of biological realism out the door.

Linaleah · April 2017

I'm bothered by the same thing, especially after shadowfen quests. which is why my argonian is flat chested and flat hipped. at least character creator allows for that

RosieTheRadiant · April 2017

Argonian females may develop breasts for sexual selection.
Many animals have body parts that serve no purpose beyond attracting a mate. However, it's a very important purpose because if the female is chosen for procreation because of whatever trait was deemed desirable, that trait may be passed down to the offspring. That means that more successful traits will continue to develop in future generations and less desirable traits will be naturally selected out.

RoyalPink06 · April 2017

Funny you mention this, OP. The other day I tried to make a female argonian character, but then I couldn't do it because the idea of breasts on a lizard was just disturbing lol...ended up making a male instead, it's slightly less disturbing.

Bombashaman · April 2017

I hate argonians. Talking handbags, they even sound like opening bags, creaking.

Kodrac · April 2017

I raise the spine of confusion.

Bombashaman · April 2017

Kodrac wrote: »

I raise the spine of confusion.

KeiruNicrom · April 2017

Its almost like its a fantasy world with its own rules of physics and biology. Weird right?

Altercator · April 2017

Stay moist.

theher0not · April 2017

I think that the hist tree deciced to give argonians more human traits so the other races wouldn't feel as uncomfortable around them. If they are made to look more like the other races I imagine it would be easier for them to relate to argonians and therefore treat them better. They are still treated very poorly, imagine how much worse the other races would treat them if they looked like a T-rex with human sized arms.

Sneaky-Snurr · April 2017

I think the Devs need hist sap. That'll wake em up from the delusion on the latest patch notes.

Rianai · April 2017

It doesn't make much sense lorewise for such diverse races to share the same bodyshape and animations. And at least in Morrowind (idk about Daggerfall and Arena) Khajiits and Argonians used to be more different from the other races (eg. no breasts on females), which i actually prefer to the uniform races of newer Elder Scrolls games.

It is just less work for the developers to use the same model for all races, which is the main (only?) reason, why the races ended up like they are now. Not much lore behind it.

Gilvoth · April 2017

Lyserus wrote: »

I mean, argonians are no mammals...

their female lay eggs..their baby don't even drink milk then why do they have "that"?

their male,,,well if you know your biology, crocs' "manly thing" is hidden in the body unless they are mating........I donno...just feel weird thinking about this

Hope I don't get ban for discussing biology things

we dunmer are beautiful, why would anyone want to be a reptilian?

Mordenkainen · April 2017

Rianai wrote: »

It doesn't make much sense lorewise for such diverse races to share the same bodyshape and animations. And at least in Morrowind (idk about Daggerfall and Arena) Khajiits and Argonians used to be more different from the other races (eg. no breasts on females), which i actually prefer to the uniform races of newer Elder Scrolls games.

It is just less work for the developers to use the same model for all races, which is the main (only?) reason, why the races ended up like they are now. Not much lore behind it.

Wat.

That's from the vanilla game, unmodded. Those are clearly breasts.

max_only · April 2017

Argonians bother me too.

But.

Chickens have breast meat.... and *technically* they are reptiles. Also Argonians can grow feathers. So maybe they have chests without ***...... eugh this topic is really horrible lol

Edit lol nips are censored!

Kiralyn2000 · April 2017

It's a common design issue in many fantasy/sci-fi things.

Because it's designed by humans, for humans. And human visual-recognition cues. Curvy-shape = female. So, to make 'female' whatevers obvious to the human consumers of the media, they give them boobs & hips. Even if it doesn't make "sense" from a science & biology standpoint.

Mordenkainen · April 2017

Double-post, didn't mean to quote myself. Lol.

Sneaky-Snurr · April 2017

Argonians bother you? Pfft! Morrowind patch notes bother me.

elantaura · April 2017

It bothers me too so much so I rerolled to a male - as a lizard with lumps most likely has a nasty cyst.

I have lizards and snakes and I even breed pythons so does my brother in law different species. the girls not only lack breasts but are bigger than the boys in general.
some males reptiles are larger you hear of crocs etc but in with reptiles the females who carry eggs are usually larger of the two even if it's only slight. I always worry about the boy snakes with mating as they are loved pets and I fear the girls will kill them. they don't but they could as the females are much bigger girth and stronger, Fortunately that's not on there mind - and the males are not choosy or selective at all. I aware they would mate with a garden hose in breeding season if let. it's not them they have no standards. The girls are choosy, it takes time as you have to get the female to like the male.

So given the females smaller or same sise as males with argonians, that the female has breasts and can lactate and as the female lays eggs... I think argonians must be monotremes as they are more like spinny echidnas than lizards or reptiles.

Rianai · April 2017

Mordenkainen wrote: »

Wat.

That's from the vanilla game, unmodded. Those are clearly breasts.

I can't remember if female Khajiit had breasts or not, but i'm 100% sure, female Argonians didn't had them in unmodded Morrowind. There are some body and clothing mods that would add them though.