OP is a tragically wrong for 2 reasons -

1. The real complaint is does a person who sees an unknown mechanic have the basic knowledge of the game and basic mechanics in order to 'learn the new mechanic' reasonably quickly?

e.g. like with continuing education - do you have the basic tools and education in order to continue to self educate yourself to more advanced knowledge?

That's all a group dungeon, vet dungeon, or vet trials are. The ability to see something new, but take lessons learned from the basics, to interpret, react, and adapt to that new thing. If you've done it before, great - even better. But no matter how leet you think you are, at some point someone did that vet dungeon/trial for the 1st time ever, and learned the new mechanic with no benefit of prior knowledge.

Being CP 600 or not has nothing to do with getting to this basic level of game competence. Even if OPs hyperbole re: double XP events was extended to it being available 100% uptime, 365 days a year, someone would still need to play roughly CP 300'ish (XP doesn't scale linearly so just a ballpark) to become as OP suggests the undeserved CP 600.

Sorry, but if someone doesn't have the basic tools and mechanics down by CP 300, it's not likely that would be different if they normally progressed to 600.

For all I know, OP is blaming unfairly this 600 guy, but assuming for a second it is true as he describes - the fault isn't being 600 or double speed progression to 600, it's the guy not being able to recognize new challenges and adapt to them using basics he ought to have learned even outside of dungeons (don't stand in red is not a group dungeon / trial specific thing - you learn this from simply overland 1v1 encounters - or should).

For my part, I'm fine with how players want to play the game. They don't need to learn or do some things if that's not their cup of tea. So I'm not slamming people that don't focus on mechanics because they just power through it in lower challenge environments where you're not required to beat the mechanic due to DPS, but I am merely saying if people like this don't learn it by 300, it's not like something magical will happen on the way to 600.

2. Right or wrong, there are two types of leaders in the world. Those who take what they get and make the whole better, and those who just want new cards.

OP sounds like the coach that will scream at a player on his team to get them to do it their way, rather than the coach that figures out how to maximize the potential of every person on his squad, even the 3rd string bench.

Right or wrong, I would never want OP in any world-first raid guild of any MMO I played simply because by definition all world-first level raid guilds are at some point doing new, never before seen mechanics and content - with zero benefit of pre knowledge of that specific content.

OP is basically saying - no, I only want people who have done this before, and seems to not realize that the 'standard' way to adapt to that mechanic was learned, passed on, and put into wikia by somebody who had to see it the first time, learn it, and adjust without benefit of anyone on their team who had done it before.

That to my mind makes OP the underserved CP 600 - he got there on the backs of other people's knowledge, yet insists everyone else has to already know what he knows. There is a word for this - schmuck.

ObsidianMichi wrote: »

These boards and posts like this are why I get nervous about trying to find a group for veteran dungeons and trials.

I still have Vet Dungeons I've not done the first time through - I hadn't done any of them at all up until recently (when a particularly awesome guildie didn't see the problem with explaining mechanics to me, knowing it was my first attempt at such content - and I'm at cp672 presently.)

There are good folks out there who will actually help players learn, it just feels like, at times, they're few and far between.

JamieAubrey wrote: »

<-- CP 700 NEVER run any dungeons

This one is curious, why not?
The normal ones are easy and give skill points.

I actually like doing normal dungeons with low dps players as healer, its an good training match you can experiment with stuff. You can not do that in an hard veteran dungeon where main focus is keeping all alive, nor in an speed run where you burn trough anything.

You can be a very good player but may not know mechanics yet of the dungeon because of not doing it. Just like when the new trail comes out, nobody knows it but that doesnt mean everybody in the game sucks. There are some very good players that dont know all the mechanics of every dungeon or trial in the game.

Still amazes me that people think high CP = skill and experience

The only thing it signals is that the person has gotten a high amount of xp during his time ingame.

My CP is about 630, I think I've only done 2 vet things, no trials, and only done a few group dungeons (well I've done a lot of those group dungeons I can solo)

Been playing since open beta with one 6 month break, and play for hrs each day.

VinyParsley2016 wrote: »

Just ran WGT with a CP600 DPS. I didn't ask if he has done WGT or not cuz I trust his CP, until we found he didn't know kill the portals. Now, CP600 could be a noob. That's why I said many time, double xp ruin the game.

I've been over CP600 for a long time, before any double XP weekend and still have no clue about WGT or any of the other dungeons. I imagine there are quite a few others like me.

I wouldn't expect max CP to mean experience with specific dungeons. There are players with no CP who have tons more PVE experience than me. This has nothing to do with double XP.

I know some dungeons are harder than others, but the way people to learn is by doing them. Even the top PVE and PVP players at one time were beginners who had never done any dungeons or entered Cyrodiil before.

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Since when did CP ever depict player skill? Its simply showed player commitment to the game for me. The two aren't always related.

You can still play a game for a long time and not be any good at it.

Before all the exp events cp was a better indicator that a player knew how to play the game. It was never a for sure indication that someone knew how to play. But it is a worse indicator now than it ever was.

The percentage of high cp players who know how to play the game is lower because of experience events. Now people don't even gain the experience themselves, they pay someone else to grind for them.

maybe the guy just managed to get his hands on a sub or just brought the dlc.

im somewhere in cp 500 (not cuz of double exp) play since 2015. never done wgt
i know a lot of other cp500+/cp600+ who never did it
doesnt mean they are noobs orso
maybe the cp600 u played with just has the dlc since a short while
or did u maybe forget that wgt is a dlc, and not everyone plays/buys dlc
u mate really sound like an ***

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