You misspelled NightBlades in the patch notes

max_only · April 2017

Find and replace "nightblade" with "masochist"

Thanks. :>

max_only · April 2017

* Siphoning
* Leeching Strikes (Siphoning Strikes morph): This morph now converts the ability into a Stamina ability and causes your Light and Heavy Attacks to restore Stamina based on your character level.
* Siphoning Attacks (Siphoning Strikes morph): This morph now causes your Light and Heavy Attacks to also restore Magicka based on your character level.
* Siphoning Strikes:
* This ability now causes your Light and Heavy Attacks to restore Health instead of Magicka or Stamina.
* Increased the duration of this ability and its morphs to 20 seconds from 15 seconds. 
Developer Comments: Spoiler  

This is a significant reduction to the Magicka and Stamina restored by these abilities, but the addition of Health restore should give Nightblades more healing to improve their survivability.

So basically nightblades are the red headed step child? We have health sapping skills, we don't need additional health restore. I wasn't mad about the CP sustain changes but taking away our resource sustain skill makes us good at exactly what?

I don't even pvp and you cut out the ganking as well. Which is fine I guess but that was our only advantage in the game since we were already weak in all of pve and other aspects of pvp.

Sneak attacks no longer grant a bonus to Critical Damage when used against other players. Sneak attacks will continue to guarantee a Critical Strike and stun the target, and will also still grant a bonus to Critical Damage when used against monsters.
Developer Comments:
Spoiler
Even though Sneak attacks currently have a lower Critical Damage bonus against players than against monsters, they still allow you to burst another player down in a matter of seconds without granting them enough time to react. Removing the Critical Damage bonus against players grants victims of sneak attacks more counterplay.

Just
Leave
Nightblades
Alone

If you nerf everyone and leave nightblades alone we'd finally be equal to everyone else.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · April 2017

Or find the words:

Sorcerer, Templar, Nightblade, Dragonknight,

and replace them with "Warden"

that will be $40

max_only · April 2017

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Or find the words:

Sorcerer, Templar, Nightblade, Dragonknight,

and replace them with "Warden"

that will be $40

If the warden is getting all our nerfs then it'd be a different story.

max_only · April 2017

The Templar lobby is getting a lot of attention.

I'm not saying they "shouldn't gripe". People can express opinions in constructive manners.

But I see that nightblades are once again ignored and not even mentioned in Zos responses.

Siphoning attacks is what makes a saptank <-- a diverse playstyle which is what you claim you want.

We don't pile on health to troll people with shields. We don't have earth shattering dps like Sorcerers. We aren't endgame tanks (we're barely get the benefit of the doubt in pledges).

Nightblades are just looking for a break.

Fine, take away ganking. I get why that's annoying. Just don't take away our resource restore on top of all the global resource changes. Let us be the true survival/strategic class. We are already playing at a disadvantage why punish us further?

Pallio · April 2017

Templar is spelled Warden now too.

WalksonGraves · April 2017

The entire NB philosophy of self heal at the cost of damage makes them worthless for group content as dps.

max_only · April 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

The entire NB philosophy of self heal at the cost of damage makes them worthless for group content as dps.

Do you mean funnel health, sap essence, and refreshing path? I'm pretty sure I heal myself and the group at the same time that enemies get damaged. So the self heal isn't at the cost of damage. Maybe I misunderstood

Also I know we're worthless when it comes to dps, I'm not asking to be Op, I'm asking to be left alone. We have one chance to burst and then the rest is a resource management game until the boss dies. There's no bursting throughout a fight with nightblades like there is with other magic classes.

Jitterbug · April 2017

max_only wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Or find the words:

Sorcerer, Templar, Nightblade, Dragonknight,

and replace them with "Warden"

that will be $40

If the warden is getting all our nerfs then it'd be a different story.

Oh, it will

edit: ive been an argonian nightblade since ea, i know how to wait :-P

TheBonesXXX · April 2017

Check out my sig, I have pitched ideas to how to improve the DoT process in Elder Scrolls and get away from conventional DoTs to a new type of DoT sytem.

Three big ticks, are better than buncha little ones.

Zvorgin · April 2017

Nightblades (particularly stamblades) don't seem to fit in the idea Zos has for PvP. I'm not sure what that vision is for them, but nightblades don't fit.

hobicabobjob · April 2017

max_only wrote: »

The Templar lobby is getting a lot of attention.

I'm not saying they "shouldn't gripe". People can express opinions in constructive manners.

But I see that nightblades are once again ignored and not even mentioned in Zos responses.

Many passionate players have given up on their NBs and are defending the class they spent the last patch or two making as a replacement.

Tholian1 · April 2017

ZoS said they are 100% committed to not separating PvE and PvP balance. Maybe it is the effective ganking in PvP that has prevented them from improving NB in PvE. If they improve NB too much in PvE, then the class could easily become too powerful in a PvP situation.

KanedaSyndrome · April 2017

If you dislike your combat performance after the patch, you could always just roleplay instead

Tommy_The_Gun · April 2017

max_only wrote: »

Find and replace "nightblade" with "masochist"

Thanks. :>

Why would anybody play NB at this point ? ?
Nightbalde is average at everything while other classes are best at something...

Dragonknght - Tank
Templar - Healer
Sorcerer - DPS
Nightblade... hmm... - Doing Thieves guild / dark bortherhood quests ? ?

Originally NB was intended to have high singe target (focus) dmg... but we all know that ZOS hates NB at this point.

Kemenril · April 2017

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Find and replace "nightblade" with "masochist"

Thanks. :>

Why would anybody play NB at this point ? ?
Nightbalde is average at everything while other classes are best at something...

Dragonknght - Tank
Templar - Healer
Sorcerer - DPS
Nightblade... hmm... - Doing Thieves guild / dark bortherhood quests ? ?

Originally NB was intended to have high singe target (focus) dmg... but we all know that ZOS hates NB at this point.

My NB is a MegaPro at Not Dying.

That's...that's it.

Basically, he is an undying stealth potato.

LFG

Zoner · April 2017

I have loyally mained a nightblade since beta, despite all the crap Zos seems to hurl their way, and only recently after 3 years decided that, regretfully, the class was effectively dead in the water for endgame pve. So I shelved my beloved nb and made a mag dk.

Was having the time of my life until I saw the latest patch notes.

Kodrac · April 2017

The joke would've been funnier if you'd said you misspelled masochist in the patch notes. Just sayin.

Turelus · April 2017

Damn it. You got my hopes up it was an actual typo and I could finally get my own back on Gina.

max_only · April 2017

Kodrac wrote: »

The joke would've been funnier if you'd said you misspelled masochist in the patch notes. Just sayin.

I'm dying out here help me out bro

Gilvoth · April 2017

max_only wrote: »

* Siphoning
* Leeching Strikes (Siphoning Strikes morph): This morph now converts the ability into a Stamina ability and causes your Light and Heavy Attacks to restore Stamina based on your character level.
* Siphoning Attacks (Siphoning Strikes morph): This morph now causes your Light and Heavy Attacks to also restore Magicka based on your character level.
* Siphoning Strikes:
* This ability now causes your Light and Heavy Attacks to restore Health instead of Magicka or Stamina.
* Increased the duration of this ability and its morphs to 20 seconds from 15 seconds. 
Developer Comments: Spoiler  

This is a significant reduction to the Magicka and Stamina restored by these abilities, but the addition of Health restore should give Nightblades more healing to improve their survivability.

So basically nightblades are the red headed step child? We have health sapping skills, we don't need additional health restore. I wasn't mad about the CP sustain changes but taking away our resource sustain skill makes us good at exactly what?

I don't even pvp and you cut out the ganking as well. Which is fine I guess but that was our only advantage in the game since we were already weak in all of pve and other aspects of pvp.

Sneak attacks no longer grant a bonus to Critical Damage when used against other players. Sneak attacks will continue to guarantee a Critical Strike and stun the target, and will also still grant a bonus to Critical Damage when used against monsters.
Developer Comments:
Spoiler
Even though Sneak attacks currently have a lower Critical Damage bonus against players than against monsters, they still allow you to burst another player down in a matter of seconds without granting them enough time to react. Removing the Critical Damage bonus against players grants victims of sneak attacks more counterplay.

Just
Leave
Nightblades
Alone

If you nerf everyone and leave nightblades alone we'd finally be equal to everyone else.

well said,
all truth.

max_only · April 2017

Kemenril wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Find and replace "nightblade" with "masochist"

Thanks. :>

Why would anybody play NB at this point ? ?
Nightbalde is average at everything while other classes are best at something...

Dragonknght - Tank
Templar - Healer
Sorcerer - DPS
Nightblade... hmm... - Doing Thieves guild / dark bortherhood quests ? ?

Originally NB was intended to have high singe target (focus) dmg... but we all know that ZOS hates NB at this point.

My NB is a MegaPro at Not Dying.

That's...that's it.

Basically, he is an undying stealth potato.

LFG

Same here. I can't burst down a boss but we'll be there dancing forever because neither of us will die or give up resources.

ljb2k5_ESO · April 2017

Zvorgin wrote: »

Nightblades (particularly stamblades) don't seem to fit in the idea Zos has for PvP. I'm not sure what that vision is for them, but nightblades don't fit.

When PVP design goes to longer TTK and essentially no one being able to kill anyone else 1v1, then PVP has gone casual carebear, also known as WoW PVP atm. Its *** boring. It also is, as you said, not good for the guerrilla ambusher style that rogue archetypes fit at all.

max_only · April 2017

PTS feedback on siphoning attacks: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/336539/proposed-alternative-to-the-siphoning-attacks-leeching-strikes-changes-and-why/p1

Kram8ion · April 2017

Well this nb is rebelling against his parents and stomping his feet saying "HELL NO I WONT GO!"

max_only · April 2017

I don't want to channel Kanye here but,

Zos doesn't care about nightblades.

ofSunhold · April 2017

max_only wrote: »

Fine, take away ganking. I get why that's annoying. Just don't take away our resource restore on top of all the global resource changes. Let us be the true survival/strategic class. We are already playing at a disadvantage why punish us further?

Yeah, it's annoying. Nobody anywhere loves getting ganked. But no, they shouldn't take it away. [No!

] It's a valid playstyle, and PvP is more interesting with that in the mix.

If they want NBs to stand and fight like a DK or a sorc, they need to provide better abilities for that, not just destroy the ones that make ganking viable.

When NB was FotM in Cyrodiil, that sucked. But zeroing out the class is way too far in the other direction.

Nightblades have been getting the hammer for months; it doesn't make me feel optimistic about the direction Templars are headed.

max_only · April 2017

Templars have the loudest voice this patch but nightblades are getting shafted! Unite my sneaky brethren!

Tryxus · April 2017

Truthfully, I don't feel like a Nightblade anymore on any of them. ZOS has sucked the soul out of the class and left us as inferior husks of existing, more effective classes

Gilvoth · April 2017

classes should be removed from eso.

max_only · April 2017

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

classes should be removed from eso.

Actually I wouldn't mind if all support skills were global/weapon based and all you had to choose was your damage style/favorite particle bursts.

They are removing so many skills from so many classes in the name of balance. That's not my complaint. However if it's good for the goose it's good for the gander --warden doesn't need them either.

Don't get me wrong, I would be a warden if they had the class when I started. It's all I ever wanted, to be a hunter type. I modded my Skyrim very heavily to get as close to my hunter ideal.

That doesn't negate my feelings around my nightblade. He's not easy to play and I get a lot of flak but the challenge is fun AS IS. Siphoning attacks is the lynchpin and if they can't see that, then I feel the only experience they have with them is getting ganked right outside a keep. But it's not just nightblades who do that. I've seen a lot of videos of templars, dk and sorcs ganking too.