Balamoor wrote: »

Oh no not Deltia if he is concerned then it must be something.....

Who the puck is Deltia again? Oh a drama queen twitpilot
He also told the crybabies to stop paying for and playing the game, but you won' t listen to that so why listen to this?
Also many of us pointed to ZoS to not give streamers special attention, because crap like this inevitably happens.


Here's my point ZoS isn't the first company to over/under tweak something and they won't be the last, showing your ass like this only cements every negative stereotype people say about hardcore gamers, which blows back on everyone that plays games. How about for once not living up to the stereotype.


I have never seen such hair pulling and teeth gnashing from supposedly grownup people....it's kinda pathetic.

Could it be that people are getting tired of being burned in mmorpgs? I am not saying thats the case here but this certainly looks that way with the patch notes, I doubt you have been burned much instead of making *** poor chilidish judgements then why don't you be an adult and try to understand the situation.

Splattercat_83 wrote: »

Kay1 wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

Why the rage, enjoy warden, enjoy morrowind, other classes are fun too still, don't make such drama for something that's still not yet live. Is this a way to increase your viewing.

Well if you stay quietly then it will make it to life for sure.

I'm glad you find classes fun after these nerfs. Guess what? - when you got to love one class - maybe in one year from now and then ZOS hit you with another nerf hammer to accommodate Necromancer class then lets see how you stay quietly then.

The people who doesn't care where this game is going stays quietly. Once you care you cannot stay quietly anymore.

Only meta players want the meta builds, that's not how everyone enjoys the game. There're plenty of other things and aspects of the game and fun.

Like he said, if you don't understand why people are so upset is because you have no idea how those changes will affect the game and you don't care about it.

The people who don't care are the level 40s and cp 100s that stand on the bushes around auridon all day, play music through their headset. It's hurting the people that run dungeons and trials.

Exactly or any content in this game that requires you to kill something.

lunalitetempler wrote: »

Kay1 wrote: »

lunalitetempler wrote: »

Kay1 wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

Why the rage, enjoy warden, enjoy morrowind, other classes are fun too still, don't make such drama for something that's still not yet live. Is this a way to increase your viewing.

Well if you stay quietly then it will make it to life for sure.

I'm glad you find classes fun after these nerfs. Guess what? - when you got to love one class - maybe in one year from now and then ZOS hit you with another nerf hammer to accommodate Necromancer class then lets see how you stay quietly then.

The people who doesn't care where this game is going stays quietly. Once you care you cannot stay quietly anymore.

Only meta players want the meta builds, that's not how everyone enjoys the game. There're plenty of other things and aspects of the game and fun.

Like he said, if you don't understand why people are so upset is because you have no idea how those changes will affect the game and you don't care about it.

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That's not what it means.

If you really think everything is fine you're just being selfish, new players, casuals, average players won't even be able to do a vet dungeon if this goes live

Now we are selfish if we dont agree....lol good one.

I'm considered elite, I've done all the raids in vet, all the dungeons in HM, I have all the sets, all the weapons, all the cosmetics from PvE and all the titles I need.

You see those changes? I don't give a single f about them because everything I do now is PvP and I've really found a build on my stamsorc to have infinite sustain so this won't hurt me, my friends, my guild, you know why? Because everything is easy for us but not because of CP, gear, sets, classes just because that's how it is there's always good, average and bad players and you can't punish the average and bad players just because the good players are not having fun anymore, you can't do that, people need to stop being selfish is not because someone can do vMsa naked that everyone can do it too, is not because a good team nuked rakkhat in 36 minutes that everyone can do it, is not because some people due to their animation canceling skill and rotation doesn't have sustain issues that everyone can do it.

Balamoor wrote: »

Right have to agree here, take @MissBizz for instance she has streamed a ton of helpful stuff and is super nice when you ask a question.

Even I am complaining about the changes... BUT. I'm usually pretty clear that I'm not the person you should be listening to.

As well, I'm making a full valid effort in testing things before I feel I'm allowed to fully QQ Oh and thanks for the compliment

Turelus wrote: »

All I see him ranting about is CEO's and cash for costumes?

that point is very valid. sorry but the genre has lost its heart and soul. games hold no longevity at all. they are more interested in nerfing the game into easy difficulty Skyrim. making crap they can put in the crown store then repurpose into gambling crates then enriching and expanding their game systems.

@Deltia

Can I have your stuff?

MissBizz wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

Right have to agree here, take @MissBizz for instance she has streamed a ton of helpful stuff and is super nice when you ask a question.

Even I am complaining about the changes... BUT. I'm usually pretty clear that I'm not the person you should be listening to.

As well, I'm making a full valid effort in testing things before I feel I'm allowed to fully QQ Oh and thanks for the compliment

Miss Bizz always so reasonable! I understand Deltia's frustrations as well. Im not in that realm currently - Im just trying to think what is good and what is bad, and what is overboard. Some of the changes I think are, when piled together.

ZOS intentions ARE to make radical changes. We would typically give them hell for not doing that. Its nice to see they are brave enough to - the best we can do is provide sensible feedback to guide that and hope for the best. They wont get it all right, but if they get it mostly right they can move the game in a new direction - and I welcome that. I, and many others, do not like the current endless sustain.. which is the issue they are trying to tackle head on.

After thinking things over more, I still want repent to be returned to its unique group play function, and I want shards to still be a unique stam return specific to the class. They can keep orb to be a return for either - but they dont want it to double dip with shards either. The major mending nerf is a thing, but it is getting minor mending in return. The wardens major mending is conditional - which isnt bad (not full uptime like templars previously). They want to take away full uptime it seems on healing, and I like that thought process. The igneous is too much or functionally not well designed. DKs should have more realiable access to it. But like I said - still thinking things over.

Pretty sure templars will retain the unique place they have as healers over wardens for specific burst healing. That is what BOL is able to do, and wardens are not getting that. Its some of the other parts of warden that need to be looked at in my opinion. They should continue to promote teamplay functional - not tear away at the unique features classes have.


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Balamoor wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

Oh no not Deltia if he is concerned then it must be something.....

Who the puck is Deltia again? Oh a drama queen twitpilot
He also told the crybabies to stop paying for and playing the game, but you won' t listen to that so why listen to this?
Also many of us pointed to ZoS to not give streamers special attention, because crap like this inevitably happens.


Here's my point ZoS isn't the first company to over/under tweak something and they won't be the last, showing your ass like this only cements every negative stereotype people say about hardcore gamers, which blows back on everyone that plays games. How about for once not living up to the stereotype.


I have never seen such hair pulling and teeth gnashing from supposedly grownup people....it's kinda pathetic.

Could it be that people are getting tired of being burned in mmorpgs? I am not saying thats the case here but this certainly looks that way with the patch notes, I doubt you have been burned much instead of making *** poor chilidish judgements then why don't you be an adult and try to understand the situation.

I do understand the situation I understand better than you know having consulted in the industry for 25 years before I retired. What people fail to get is none of the decisions made for a patch are arbitrary, developers have a metric crap ton of information and they have the opinion of every armchair developer that has ever logged into their game. A lot of times we can't see what they are looking at in testing, nor can we see what they have planned for the future.

And almost every time no matter what they do some idiot, will jump them with both feet, tell them they are destroying the industry and maybe even make personal threats against them.

They can't comprehend in their small lizard brains that MMO mechanics are fluid, adding even the smallest thing changes everything else and often time the first or even fifth adjustment isn't the right one, but you just can't shut down the game until you get it perfect for everyone, because that is never going to happen.

Then you clearly have not seen the industry pull this and continue killing build diversity and among other things because they do not really test to begin with, I never said people should not wait for more notes but if people stay silent then greedy companies will continue getting away and people will not hear the negative truths of the direction of those said companies, sorry but I just disagree with you there but your right no one should say the sky is falling now when we only seen the start oft he patch notes.

To be honest it does sound like you do not see the bigger picture and never care beyond your own class issues, most people like yourself only look within the box and this is why you likely think it is just fluid mechanic changes in those other mmorpgs you played. And im sorry but you been playing mmorpgs since when now? Meridian 64? My first mmorpg was eq1.

But trust me there is hardly anything fluid about mmorpg mechanic changes in newer mmorpgs, they are not just changes they are very bad changes in many mmorpgs, just because you can adjust to bad changes does not mean everyone else should nor does it mean mmorpgs should be this way. Not to mention you see this often with mmorpgs with pve and pvp atleast wow split skills between pvp and pve.

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

All I see him ranting about is CEO's and cash for costumes?

that point is very valid. sorry but the genre has lost its heart and soul. games hold no longevity at all. they are more interested in nerfing the game into easy difficulty Skyrim. making crap they can put in the crown store then repurpose into gambling crates then enriching and expanding their game systems.

The games industry has been a crock of poop for a long time.

Just spend a week watching some old Jim Sterling stuff. However at the end of the day if you enjoy a game (like ESO) and you're not forced to pay money you don't want to (optional fees for cosmetics) as horrible as the practice is you still have a game you enjoy.

These changes will be painful, I am sure I will be raging at some point myself, however I am also old enough and wise enough in the MMO industry to know this is what happens and things will change, either the players adapt or the devs patch things to a better level.

Some people here suggesting he is acting like a child and it's not a good reason to quit. To say that shows you can't see what the long term problems are here. He has a totally valid point and it's a competely reasonable reaction that MANY share.

As a gamer in this game you invest time and energy into a class, or classes of your preference. If that class gets destroyed while offering you a new different class underneath a paywall that will do what your old class did, that is unfair, inconsiderate, and basically insulting to a player invested in that class. It is also a totally valid reason for leaving the game and seeking a new game. Either way you are being asked to start from scratch in order to have the thing you already had. It's unreasonable.

Balamoor wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

Oh no not Deltia if he is concerned then it must be something.....

Who the puck is Deltia again? Oh a drama queen twitpilot
He also told the crybabies to stop paying for and playing the game, but you won' t listen to that so why listen to this?
Also many of us pointed to ZoS to not give streamers special attention, because crap like this inevitably happens.


Here's my point ZoS isn't the first company to over/under tweak something and they won't be the last, showing your ass like this only cements every negative stereotype people say about hardcore gamers, which blows back on everyone that plays games. How about for once not living up to the stereotype.


I have never seen such hair pulling and teeth gnashing from supposedly grownup people....it's kinda pathetic.

Could it be that people are getting tired of being burned in mmorpgs? I am not saying thats the case here but this certainly looks that way with the patch notes, I doubt you have been burned much instead of making *** poor chilidish judgements then why don't you be an adult and try to understand the situation.

Or I'm not a immature person that has a spaz fit over a patch for a video game.


I do understand the situation I understand better than you know having consulted in the industry for 25 years before I retired.

What people fail to get is none of the decisions made for a patch are arbitrary, developers have a metric crap ton of information they have to distill and they have the opinion of every armchair developer that has ever logged into their game. A lot of times we can't see what they are looking at in testing, nor can we see what they have planned for the future.

And almost every time no matter what they do some idiot, will jump them with both feet, tell them they are destroying the industry and maybe even make personal threats against them. ( All that Ninety hour weeks and some of the lowest pay and worst benefits in the IT industry can be yours too)


They ranters can't shut up long enough to realize that MMO mechanics are fluid, adding even the smallest thing changes everything else and often time the first or even fifth adjustment isn't the right one, but you just can't shut down the game until you get it perfect for everyone, because that is never going to happen.

This situation isn't forever, no situation in any MMO ever will be.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

Right have to agree here, take @MissBizz for instance she has streamed a ton of helpful stuff and is super nice when you ask a question.

Even I am complaining about the changes... BUT. I'm usually pretty clear that I'm not the person you should be listening to.

As well, I'm making a full valid effort in testing things before I feel I'm allowed to fully QQ Oh and thanks for the compliment

Miss Bizz always so reasonable! I understand Deltia's frustrations as well. Im not in that realm currently - Im just trying to think what is good and what is bad, and what is overboard. Some of the changes I think are, when piled together.

ZOS intentions ARE to make radical changes. We would typically give them hell for not doing that. Its nice to see they are brave enough to - the best we can do is provide sensible feedback to guide that and hope for the best. They wont get it all right, but if they get it mostly right they can move the game in a new direction - and I welcome that. I, and many others, do not like the current endless sustain.. which is the issue they are trying to tackle head on.

After thinking things over more, I still want repent to be returned to its unique group play function, and I want shards to still be a unique stam return specific to the class. They can keep orb to be a return for either - but they dont want it to double dip with shards either. The major mending nerf is a thing, but it is getting minor mending in return. The wardens major mending is conditional - which isnt bad (not full uptime like templars previously). They want to take away full uptime it seems on healing, and I like that thought process. The igneous is too much or functionally not well designed. DKs should have more realiable access to it. But like I said - still thinking things over.

Pretty sure templars will retain the unique place they have as healers over wardens for specific burst healing. That is what BOL is able to do, and wardens are not getting that. Its some of the other parts of warden that need to be looked at in my opinion. They should continue to promote teamplay functional - not tear away at the unique features classes have.


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Bravo @FENGRUSH. Thank you for rationally explaining things and not flying off the handle. Changes happen, and we'll all figure out how to handle them in time. Much like how local sports media will sway a fan base into wanting a coach fired, guys like you hold an immense sway over some of the more rabid ESO fans. You preaching patience is a welcome thing. Hopefully it will calm down all of the pitchfork wielding. Thanks.

Equally well said @Balamoor.

MacCait wrote: »

Some people here suggesting he is acting like a child and it's not a good reason to quit. To say that shows you can't see what the long term problems are here. He has a totally valid point and it's a competely reasonable reaction that MANY share.

As a gamer in this game you invest time and energy into a class, or classes of your preference. If that class gets destroyed while offering you a new different class underneath a paywall that will do what your old class did, that is unfair, inconsiderate, and basically insulting to a player invested in that class. It is also a totally valid reason for leaving the game and seeking a new game. Either way you are being asked to start from scratch in order to have the thing you already had. It's unreasonable.

I think its all these people who do not understand the gaming industry are the ones saying bad things about anyone with actual criticism about what is going on, usually because eso is all they really know.

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

lunalitetempler wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U996nO8zkZs

What in the heeek did I just watch?

grim_tactics wrote: »

Don't really care what some guy who gets paid to play video games has to say - he doesn't speak for me.

Sustain needs the nerf but thats about it.

Besides - Deltia is the type of guy that refuses to be wrong. I remember asking about one of his builds during his stream and pointing out some flaws in the set up and he didn't like that at all. Seen him react the same way to others who simply point out inaccuracy in his builds and he won't have it. Guy is a child.

Yep, he is often wrong about stuff too. Such as saying something does something when thats not actually how it works.

He was a BOL spammer need i say more.