Ep1kMalware wrote: »

David_Zarn wrote: »

Northern_Eve wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

WhiteMage wrote: »

Inb4 can I have your stuff

The Templar changes really aren't that bad...

No, they aren't bad. Rather they suck the distinctiveness out of the class and turn it into the caricatured BoL spam-bot that ignorant posters complain about because that's the only thing it's got over the Warden after ZoS eviscerated the very support skills that made Templars unique.

How uninspiring is it that the game determines which resource I give to a tank rather than me? I don;t even have to think anymore. What if my tank needs stam but synergizes for magicka because he just happened to have a lower pool there at that moment? I can't even use repentance as a back-up.

Sometimes I think ZoS just keeps nerfing our good skills so we get so desperate as to actually slot Healing Ritual.

For me these changes completely managed to suck anticipation and joy of waiting Morrowind to be released.
It also means all the achievements, titles and fun experiences with my Templar healer - who has been my main for 3 years - were kinda for nothing. The class and my character will be stripped out of everything that made it (she) distinctive.

I don't even know what a Templar is supposed to be after this goes live. The class won't excel at tanking or dps, and not anymore for healing either. I will have just a crippled character at my hands. And instead of enjoying questing, exploration etc with Morrowind, I will have to start levelling a new healer asap if I wish to stay viable, useful and secure my spot at raids.

It feels like forcing. Things change, that is natural. But there should still be a hint of predictability when one commits 3 years developing a character and mastering a role with that said character. :'(

Oh cmon, if you really playing with templar 3 years already, than you should know how terrible times we passed before, those changes are nothing compare with our slapping before.

Stop this drama.

I think you are ignorant to what made templars good. Focus (gavr mending too), crit dmg buff, aoe spammable with proc chance, repentence. Gave recovery, and replenished resources for you and group along with health. You were actually able to do alot of really neat *** as a templar dd. Okay yeh, the class got nerfed some, but in the stamina side of things we still had all our class staples playing well with gear and skill choice.

Now we literally have zip to offer the group and not a whole lot to offer for ourselves.

Focus+vigor+bloodlust+bloodcraze+rend+maelstrom weapons made it a pretty solid class. Seems op, but you had no class boosts to hp and durimg long fights you had to outsource for your resources or toss in a heavy attack on potion cooldown. But even after all of its nerfs stamplar was not at all a bad class. Provided you didnt spam jabs (would you spam pulse or suprise attack?)

As I said before, I know what templars was, what they are now, and what they will be with new patch. But at it was before, this nerf will happen only for a short time as always, just to boost warden class popularity and saying that "you killed class, or I will left game since templars exist no more" is just not wise in my modest opinion. Sometimes templars suck, sometimes others, sadly ZOS team get their **** together to finally fix and balance everything more or less, I don't remember any other MMO, which was "balancing" class for damn 3 years.

Beardimus wrote: »

Try being a Sorc, they give Curse an extra pop and scamp a few more pulses and Forum lights up with people crying about Wards lol

Players that can't counter, whine. Simple

with all fairness, some sorc shields with necro can stack up to stupid amounts.

Nobody should have to equip shield breaker and lose out on everything else just o deal with sorcs.
Nor should they have to put in 100 CP into the damage to shields option in the CP trees.

When your shields are scaling with no reasonable cap amount they will scale beyond your capacity to actually counter them and no matter how much damage you do in a 1v1. Shields ARE op.

@OP:

The only thing I ever wanted was bol nerfed, remembrance nerfed. Shields nerfed and CF nerfed by losing its hard cc.
With DK I just wanted their fossilise reworked and for stam blade I wanted troll king nerfed (harder than it was or get a rework). so yeah. Funny thing is i only moaned about this once? and you know even though the notes suck hard i didnt get a single thing that I wanted so yeah try to be a little less general about your otherwise obvious let me asign blame bs mentality.

David_Zarn wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

David_Zarn wrote: »

Northern_Eve wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

WhiteMage wrote: »

Inb4 can I have your stuff

The Templar changes really aren't that bad...

No, they aren't bad. Rather they suck the distinctiveness out of the class and turn it into the caricatured BoL spam-bot that ignorant posters complain about because that's the only thing it's got over the Warden after ZoS eviscerated the very support skills that made Templars unique.

How uninspiring is it that the game determines which resource I give to a tank rather than me? I don;t even have to think anymore. What if my tank needs stam but synergizes for magicka because he just happened to have a lower pool there at that moment? I can't even use repentance as a back-up.

Sometimes I think ZoS just keeps nerfing our good skills so we get so desperate as to actually slot Healing Ritual.

For me these changes completely managed to suck anticipation and joy of waiting Morrowind to be released.
It also means all the achievements, titles and fun experiences with my Templar healer - who has been my main for 3 years - were kinda for nothing. The class and my character will be stripped out of everything that made it (she) distinctive.

I don't even know what a Templar is supposed to be after this goes live. The class won't excel at tanking or dps, and not anymore for healing either. I will have just a crippled character at my hands. And instead of enjoying questing, exploration etc with Morrowind, I will have to start levelling a new healer asap if I wish to stay viable, useful and secure my spot at raids.

It feels like forcing. Things change, that is natural. But there should still be a hint of predictability when one commits 3 years developing a character and mastering a role with that said character. :'(

Oh cmon, if you really playing with templar 3 years already, than you should know how terrible times we passed before, those changes are nothing compare with our slapping before.

Stop this drama.

I think you are ignorant to what made templars good. Focus (gavr mending too), crit dmg buff, aoe spammable with proc chance, repentence. Gave recovery, and replenished resources for you and group along with health. You were actually able to do alot of really neat *** as a templar dd. Okay yeh, the class got nerfed some, but in the stamina side of things we still had all our class staples playing well with gear and skill choice.

Now we literally have zip to offer the group and not a whole lot to offer for ourselves.

Focus+vigor+bloodlust+bloodcraze+rend+maelstrom weapons made it a pretty solid class. Seems op, but you had no class boosts to hp and durimg long fights you had to outsource for your resources or toss in a heavy attack on potion cooldown. But even after all of its nerfs stamplar was not at all a bad class. Provided you didnt spam jabs (would you spam pulse or suprise attack?)

As I said before, I know what templars was, what they are now, and what they will be with new patch. But at it was before, this nerf will happen only for a short time as always, just to boost warden class popularity and saying that "you killed class, or I will left game since templars exist no more" is just not wise in my modest opinion. Sometimes templars suck, sometimes others, sadly ZOS team get their **** together to finally fix and balance everything more or less, I don't remember any other MMO, which was "balancing" class for damn 3 years.

To be fair, for most of the life of ESO Templars have been a pretty sub-par class overall. I enjoy them which is why my main character is one. I play it for style, but frankly the mechanics they have attributed to it have been clunky for a very time, and have lost all sense of their original intent, if they ever had one. I was concerned about the CP changes, but apparently the way the class functions itself is also problematic for the Templar. It is a good thing that I had planned to level up a couple of Wardens anyway and it probably means I'll just run my Templar for story content and crafting some more.

On the matter people have brought up regarding purges, you can efficient purge on anyone, or use a potion. It really isn't that unique of a skill. I'll be honest when I look at Warden I see the class that Templar should have been. It looks like it was more well thought out all around.

Turelus wrote: »

I'm pretty sure a lot of people will still play Templar healers and I am pretty sure most people won't care about this in four months time.

Log into PTS, get a group of players and go and run some dungeons and see how it works. Come back with some actual feedback rather than knee-jerk reactions to patch notes.

I agree totally, it really makes me laugh how people react until it has been tested for real. Sooo funny!

Jsmalls wrote: »

I feel like Templars have an easy solution honestly.

You're being forced out of heavy armor this patch, which is definitely for the best as far as balancing goes... But there are still great options in game to compensate.

By running Mighty Chudan 2x heavy you can gain a skill slot (rune focus will now be obselete since it won't provide major mending) and be nearing heavy armor resistances in light armor, and get a health bonus.

Not to mention... FRONT LOADED cp. 25 points into blessed and quick recovery will go a long way into gaining that 25% back from major mending.

You're also the class with the easiest access to minor magicka steal, and YOU now get resources when someone uses your shards.

Losing major mending sucks, but your heals were HUGE. And they still will be...

Don't dig your own Graves just yet, something tells me the Great Templars will adapt.

And for all you meta jumping, Heavy plars, BoL spaming, permablockers... Good riddance.

That's using your brain! Well played.

I personally have gotten over the Bol
Change. What will continue to make me weep is how now templars can't even provide good sustain for the group anymore, a crucial part of being a healer. No one was complaining about repentance (no one sane), who was complaining about shards?

It just makes no sense, they even try to say that the repentance change is a buff in the developer notes. NO. NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT ITS NOT A BUFF.
I wish ZOS would just stop with this BS

...about not being able to kill templar 1v20. I am able to kite some groups in cyro like that almost endlessly. What does it mean? Am I OP? Nope, becasue I can show.you people that were able to kill me 1v1. Conclusion? Its not the templar who is OP, its bunch of potatoes who have no fkn idea what to do except of spaming skills like lemmings are thinking hes OP, but fault is on their side. If someone made toon dedicated to be tanky dont be surprised its not easy to kill him... Fkn DD generation without DPS. Real damage dealers can nuke anybody.

Mayrael wrote: »

...about not being able to kill templar 1v20. I am able to kite some groups in cyro like that almost endlessly. What does it mean? Am I OP? Nope, becasue I can show.you people that were able to kill me 1v1. Conclusion? Its not the templar who is OP, its bunch of potatoes who have no fkn idea what to do except of spaming skills like lemmings are thinking hes OP, but fault is on their side. If someone made toon dedicated to be tanky dont be surprised its not easy to kill him... Fkn DD generation without DPS. Real damage dealers can nuke anybody.

This.

On XBox you can use the @lvphresh test. If you can get that guy down, you can get anyone down.

The thing here that is so idiotic and absurd is that morrowind was going to sell anyway. Even if it didn't sell massively out of the gate, trial runners would get it, former morrowind original players would get it, most people would get it. Not because of the warden but because it was morrowind. So there was zero reason for them to decide to push people to buy Morrowind and build another healer when they had one that worked great. The decision is just ass. They could have had both types of healers and made the Warden have a few more distinctive buffs. But no. It's like they had to destroy the templars because there can only be one really good healer in the game. And for all those that had templars they were proud of, that they loved and put a lot of time into them (probably never imagining that ZOS would literally *** destroy them in one patch) they just ruined the game because the one thing templars did well is gone.

This shows that this game is not just about making money but about not caring about classes or the fact that people dedicate their time to one that they love. It shows how far they are willing to go, that they don't care one damn about anything but destroying one thing to make another. There was no reason to ruin the templar. People would have made warden healers if they provided just as good support. But they were basically resto staff *** skills so remade and relabeled. This is how original ZOS is. They take things and copy them. The warden could have been a cool ice based dps/healer/tank build. They could have been a lot of things. Nobody would be mad if it was a Solid dps base that could heal and tank as well. There was no reason to wreck the Templars. NONE. This is the game people play, one that literally goes out of its way to destroy a class so they can sell another. That is the mindset of ZOS. They've done it now and they will do it again.

With their *** servers. Their *** updates. Their *** treatment of players and the fact that the majority of players don't even last that long, they won't be long for this world. They will be supported by a few.

My feelings: stop playing this *** MMO and let it die so we can get a proper TES game. See the writing on the wall and know that this is not going anywhere good. It will never be as good as WOW for example was. It is nothing more than a SP online with MMO capabilities added. That is why they keep screwing it up because it's not solid enough to keep going as an SP. It's not. And it's not solid enough to keep going as an MP. The thing that kept TES alive so long after release was not because it was amazing but because the PC community could build wonderful quests, cosmetic mods, you name it - the only reason TES stays alive as long as it does for any game is the mod community. But they don't have that here so players come and go just like any other game. But because they don't even know how to handle an MMO (like make their servers work well) they fail and lose players.

This game will keep chugging along. Players will come. Players will go. In a year it will be all about the crown store with servers that still suck. More classes with get wrecked in future updates as they try to fix broken systems. But if they can't keep players or subs, the game will die as long as people get wise and realize that ZOS will never really be able to fix this game because they have no idea what they are doing other than push people to the crown store to get money while they can. Kill this cash cow and make them make a proper TES.

Pallio wrote: »

P2W is the future, accept it or move on. That is the choice have.

Have you tested any of the changes on the PTS?

austinwalter87ub17_ESO wrote: »

The majority of players play DPS.
The majority of streamers play DPS.
The majority of PVP players play DPS.
The majority of the feedback ZOS gets is from DPS players.

They consistently cried about Templar survivability in PVP.
They cried about Templar in Heavy.
They cried about Templar in Light.
They cried about Templar healing themselves.
They cried about Healers, actually healing people, and keeping people alive.
They would cry endlessly on the forums how Breath of Life was too good.
They cried about Radiant Oppression.
They cried about our one reliable stun, which also got removed.

The community is just as much at fault as ZOS. The community won't be happy until survivability classes and skills don't exist. They want a game where people die instantly. Yes that is what people want. They just lack the insight to realize their proposals lead to that result. Dont claim it doesnt happen. It plagued World of Warcraft at one point as well. The DPS crowd was catered to, and DPS ruled in that game. It got so bad that Blizzard had to do a huge overhaul to DPS to tone it down. That is the route ZOS is going down.

The average pleb gets angry in PVP when a Templar isn't an easy target. Good. That's what the game needs. It needs to cater less to the DPS centric player.

The real problem with ESO is that it is DPS centric and it caters to the DPS crowd. Simply because, the DPS crowd makes up over 80% of the total player population.

Constantly nerfing crowd control into the ground. Nerfing the healers. Nerfing the support. Nerfing the sustain, which is more important as a support/healer than as a DPS.

Healers being able to effectively heal is a problem in your eyes.

It's already a niche role that only a certain minority of people enjoy. You have the people which make them solely for queues and trials invites. Then you have folks like myself, that have always played the healer in every game.

If anything, the Templar needed buffs regarding crowd control and stamina related passives. The healing role was fine. Its a class with a specialized healing line. It should excel at such. The Templar was literally nerfed into the ground. That's not even an exaggeration. It truly is that substantial.

I was planning on making a Warden Healer anyway at Morrowind launch. But after reading the patch notes...I won't even spend a dime for a company with such poor judgement.

Unsubscribed. Enjoy.

Players are dps centric because only dps builds can complete content

Try vMA on a tank...