Kicking Low Levels in Dungeon Finder Groups

Magdalina · April 2017

Far as the scroll goes, I've never tried them myself but if their effect is similar to say anniversary cake, doesn't it stop ticking when you log out, whereas the groupfinder timer continues ticking? So if you log out, then log back in in 20 minutes your groupfinder cooldown should be gone whereas XP still there

At least that's how I think it works.

Far as kicking lowbies, lawl. I was kicked from vet DC 2 on my cp 120 baby sorc yesterday

Fun part? First thing the other(400 something cp) dps did was stand under first boss' fire, die, then trash talk me as he was lying there, dead to the easiest dungeon boss . Started with how I suck (I was alive and dps-ing, doing something around 15-17k single target) and do 6k dps, proceeded to how much I need to learn about the game yet before I'm allowed to queue for vet dungeons

We actually continued and made it past Grobul without wipes but with a couple deaths (lots of people running around and no rooting ads which made it messy and slow) after which the "op" dps b*tched about my dps some more and they kicked me lol.

I requeued and got actually more skillful and higher cp players who weren't trying to be jerks and we ran random (Arx) and one of the pledges together with just like 1 death and very reasonable amount of time. Some people are just jerks honestly. Let's not let it get to us OP.

Vipstaakki · April 2017

I really hope this blows onto that d-bags face someday. He gets a high level player to their ICP and the high level player knows nothing at all how to play.

Attackfrog · April 2017

logan3 wrote: »

Attackfrog wrote: »

So I was just kicked out of a group while attempting to run my Dungeon Finder daily on my level 26 Stamblade....I know what you are thinking, but hear me out.....

It was ICP as the random and right before the kick, one of the group members types in group chat "Sorry, Crosspawas* , but this dungeon is too much for you".

Seriously.

Now, I would totally call him out by name on the forums and pretty much every social media device for being such a you-know-what, but I am guessing this is against ToS.

Anyway, I have run ICP on this particular character before, but it is also not my first toon. I am just shy of 300 CP's, and frequent ESO forums/blogs (more passively than active posting) so, while I would never consider myself to be OP, I definitely know how to play.

Here is the WORST part: I popped a paid XP scroll upon entry into the dungeon, and as dps (stamblade lol), I now must wait for the q "cooldown" and then wait another 20-30 mins for another random group. So in essence, their ignorance cost me money.

I was just curious if anyone else has encountered this? I get not wanting noobs in your group (especially if you are the one who popped the xp scroll) but this is pretty ridiculous.

Anyway, I ended up reporting them all because I actually whispered them all, explained my CP amount, that I had run this specific dungeon in this character before and that I had just popped a paid xp scroll (and, most importantly, that I would probably expedite their run) and asked for a re-invite. Nobody responded, except one responded by saying "**** you".

If it wouldn't have happened to me, I would never have believed it myself!

My point: I have played this game off and on since beta and pretty seriously for the past 6 mos. I get that every online game has d-bags....but I have never had d-bags cost me real lif $$.

Oh! One more thing....it was NORM dungeon!!! Lol!

Does anyone else have a similar experience that they would like to vent about???

*that is my character name lol

Tbh I don't get all these dudes complaining about being kicked from a group as a low level. I understand that it is unpleasant for you to be treated this way but u also have to understand that other players have the all right to kick you if all 3 of them don't want to play with you for whatever reason. It's their enjoyment of the game as much as yours.

Lol then why Q random?

Attackfrog · April 2017

Well, if anything, this thread has taught me that there are many d bags out there inTamriel...but for every d-bag, there are clearly sensible people too! Thanks for everyone's input, whether you agree or disagreed and good luck!

And rest assured, when I am cp 600, if you are rolling a low level toon in my PuG, I promise to not kick you right out the gate!!

Artis · April 2017

Attackfrog wrote: »

Anyway, I have run ICP on this particular character before, but it is also not my first toon. I am just shy of 300 CP's, and frequent ESO forums/blogs (more passively than active posting) so, while I would never consider myself to be OP, I definitely know how to play.

While they were wrong and your level combined with CP could be enough, the quoted part is just wrong.

Just the fact that you have X cp and especially that you frequent forums doesn't mean that you definitely know how to play. That "so" is completely unjustified there.

But wow, I read your comments and I clearly see one more example of the entitled generation. So much entitlement there. You are playing with other people, not vending machines where you put your opinion of what DF is for in and get them running with you.

They don't owe you running with you.
If they gave consent to running with you, they still can change their mind any time during the run and withdraw consent and kick you. Their time - their rules. They have the right to play with who they want to play with.

Maybe they had bad experience with someone else of lvl 26 and still didnt' get over it? You don't know. Maybe they saw how those other players played and think everyone lvl 26 is like that and can't , for example, aoe. What do you use for aoe on your lvl 26? Most aoe skills aren't unlocked at that level yet, and ICP has quite a few places where aoe makes things much faster and smoother.

Zypheran · April 2017

One solution would be to let the 3 maelstrom arena achievement titles be account wide. Ive often been insta-kicked from normal dlc dungeons when leveling a new alt even though i have max cp. I reckon if i could use my flawless conquerer title it would let people know that i can play. In fact imo some titles say a lot more than 600 cp does!

pkuronen · April 2017

I do norm dungeons solo to grind set items. Kicking sounds mostly hilarious in this case.

..Netch's Touch and divines is an impossible combination..

David_Zarn · April 2017

Group can't know that you are pro player on a toon without skills and proper gear, after you telling them that you are pro, they probably already have another guy invited in their team, so no need to blame others in no wish to pull you with them for nothing. If you want more social friendly attitude, than join social guild who taking little guys with them and no need to blame others with your own mistakes

P.S. I'm not saying that they are acting right, but well, that's what we have in this MMO thanks to ZOS.

Beesting · April 2017

Attackfrog wrote: »

Well, if anything, this thread has taught me that there are many d bags out there inTamriel...but for every d-bag, there are clearly sensible people too! Thanks for everyone's input, whether you agree or disagreed and good luck!

And rest assured, when I am cp 600, if you are rolling a low level toon in my PuG, I promise to not kick you right out the gate!!

what nobody has mentioned is that pledges were designed to be unlocked at lvl 48
You should not even be in there below, because you have no skillpoints put into important paasives and skills
A few days ago i was doing icp using groupfinder and a lvl 10 and lvl 12 tank and healer were in my group
While they might think it was funny it was a waste of my time
Remember a lot of people do the pledges on 3 or more toons every day and have been doing them for years so it does get tedious and boring to struggle and waste time carrying people

Someone said in an earlier post, the 323 sorc, i did this on 200 cp lower bla bla but what he does not realise is the lower cp players get carried hard. People like me that played in april 2014 doing these dungeons ar veteran 1 or vet 5 have a very different outlook on these things. Just try and also respect their time.
I personally get a char to at least enough skillpoints before i join dungeons on a new char because i dont want to waste people's time either.

Time is worth more than 1 xp scrool in this grindy game

Huyen · April 2017

Biggest problem is that they tend to put lower levels (10 to 50) into the DLC-dungeons, wich require a bit more knowledge of the game then usual. Not that I mind to carry people a bit as a high cp-dps, but in dungeons like CoS (wich I hate myself dearly) its just impossible. And bear in mind that most groups with even max-cp members still tend to fail on the Planar Inhibitor because they think and I quote "We can nuke him down before we need to worry about ***", wich doesnt work that way.

Sakiri · April 2017

So noobs are supposed to wait til 50/160 to queue, and then when they do and don't know the mechanics for even I dungeons, you kick then, too? GG.

Magdalina · April 2017

Beesting wrote: »

Attackfrog wrote: »

Well, if anything, this thread has taught me that there are many d bags out there inTamriel...but for every d-bag, there are clearly sensible people too! Thanks for everyone's input, whether you agree or disagreed and good luck!

And rest assured, when I am cp 600, if you are rolling a low level toon in my PuG, I promise to not kick you right out the gate!!

Remember a lot of people do the pledges on 3 or more toons every day and have been doing them for years so it does get tedious and boring to struggle and waste time carrying people

Someone said in an earlier post, the 323 sorc, i did this on 200 cp lower bla bla but what he does not realise is the lower cp players get carried hard. People like me that played in april 2014 doing these dungeons ar veteran 1 or vet 5 have a very different outlook on these things. Just try and also respect their time.

Please. I've 2 manned most vet dungeons in this game at <=200 cp. It is because I have played these dungeons at vet 5, 10, 200 cp and whatnot that I know you don't need 600 cp to complete them. All 600 cp means is potential for higher damage output(and it's not like 10 times higher. You can pull 15-20k even at <160 cp without too much trouble if your gear is up to level and you know the skills, which is less than most groupfinder dps do anyway, regardless of their cp), but that's potential because if a 600 cp alternates bow attacks with crystal fragments, yeah, no, 600 cp is not gonna help.

Also why on Earth are you queueing for random on a vet toon if you don't like playing with lowbies? Queue for vet, at least they'll all be cp something o.O That's not sarcastic, that's genuinely perplexed. When I queue for normal I expect no cp people in lvl 15-49 range because that's exactly what normal dungeons are for, players who don't have cp yet. Kicking someone for "being low level" from normal dungeon is absurd. That's like complaining there're low level people running around Betnikh.
I'd say possible exceptions might be SotH dungeons because the amount of mechanics and stuff might be overwhelming for an entirely new player and it does require a lot of teamwork. I'd still give them a chance though.

On side note, a lot of people farm pledges/dungeons for gear/keys, if that's what you're after, just group up with them, be it guildies or friends. I do use groupfinder mysef, but expecting fast and easy run from being paired with 3 complete strangers who, for all you know, are in their first dungeon ever(even if they do have 600 cp) is silly. Pugging can be great for fun stories, meeting new people, getting some extra challenge. That xp for random is very nice at low levels too. But if you're in it for the farm, pugging is simply not the way to go, definitely not through groupfinder.

Duiwel · April 2017

wolfdoggie_ESO wrote: »

That feel when a Lv. 30 gets the divine pants drop you've been searching for in over 50 dungeon runs. rip wrists

@wolfdoggie_ESO my friend Shaun just joined for a round inside Obsidian Scar ( before the exp events so he can get some free experience since I was farming sharpened Necropotence inferno staff ), he got it at level 34...

that feel when he almost had 400k... ( he was shattered )

he's been farming for months now and no drop

raglau · April 2017

Lvl 26 can easily conquer nICP, due to the battle levelling I've even taken level 9 chars through there when directly porting.

The guy is an imbecile, forget him and move on. Most people I meet in PUGs are great and I enjoy PUGging for this reason, despite being part of an excellent guild

Cryptical · April 2017

Humatiel wrote: »

Dont take this the wrong way but I would kick a CP 200 out of ICP, if I assume the average dps of maxed level toons is 15k (lol) for pugging then a CP 200 is closer to 9k. I am not doing the entirety of ICP with two 9k dps and i'm sorry if that offends your sensibilities.

DLC content is meant to be harder, the polite thing for you to do here is drop the group and shrug at the bad RNG that got you stuck in one.

Dps isn't figured like that.

I've pugged as a healer in normal icp with the other 3 people below level 20, and no wipes and very few deaths. They rolled over everything like a band of pillaging enraged Vikings.

Character performance is first determined by skill.

GreenhaloX · April 2017

Too bad there is not a "revenge kick" option or achievement in PvE, similar to getting a revenge kill in PvP.

Attackfrog · April 2017

Artis wrote: »

Attackfrog wrote: »

Anyway, I have run ICP on this particular character before, but it is also not my first toon. I am just shy of 300 CP's, and frequent ESO forums/blogs (more passively than active posting) so, while I would never consider myself to be OP, I definitely know how to play.

While they were wrong and your level combined with CP could be enough, the quoted part is just wrong.

Just the fact that you have X cp and especially that you frequent forums doesn't mean that you definitely know how to play. That "so" is completely unjustified there.

But wow, I read your comments and I clearly see one more example of the entitled generation. So much entitlement there. You are playing with other people, not vending machines where you put your opinion of what DF is for in and get them running with you.

They don't owe you running with you.
If they gave consent to running with you, they still can change their mind any time during the run and withdraw consent and kick you. Their time - their rules. They have the right to play with who they want to play with.

Maybe they had bad experience with someone else of lvl 26 and still didnt' get over it? You don't know. Maybe they saw how those other players played and think everyone lvl 26 is like that and can't , for example, aoe. What do you use for aoe on your lvl 26? Most aoe skills aren't unlocked at that level yet, and ICP has quite a few places where aoe makes things much faster and smoother.

BiS aoe is unlocked for stamblade at that level and I had level appropriate blue dw weapons equipped....which is pretty good for 26...also, I farm shards in my time between q's and know which leveling passives to unlock (which most are unlocked by 26....only a few of the top end dps ones are not....

SO yes, i feel i do know how to play. Agree or disagree, given the situation and events surrounding it, there was no logical reason to kick before the first pull on a norm.....snarky comments about "entitlement" aside.

Attackfrog · April 2017

As others have mentioned, when you have a ton of CP's, kicking a low level out of a dungeon without knowing if they are truly terrible is a sign of insecurity with your own ability in your role.

I know this because I used to get super nervous on my healer when I would have a low level tank or two low-level dps. I used to think "oh man, if I can't keep them up, I must suck!". Then I have seen some low level toons drop bosses SUPER quick and I realized that you don't have to be top end CP to know how to run your role.

Anyway, after having nearly 300 cp's, I am much more confident in my healing ability and on Templar heals (at least for now) even if I get a TERRIBLE tank, it is pretty easy to carry him/her through and keep them up....at least if running norms....vet is different lol.

Artis · April 2017

Attackfrog wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

Attackfrog wrote: »

Anyway, I have run ICP on this particular character before, but it is also not my first toon. I am just shy of 300 CP's, and frequent ESO forums/blogs (more passively than active posting) so, while I would never consider myself to be OP, I definitely know how to play.

While they were wrong and your level combined with CP could be enough, the quoted part is just wrong.

Just the fact that you have X cp and especially that you frequent forums doesn't mean that you definitely know how to play. That "so" is completely unjustified there.

But wow, I read your comments and I clearly see one more example of the entitled generation. So much entitlement there. You are playing with other people, not vending machines where you put your opinion of what DF is for in and get them running with you.

They don't owe you running with you.
If they gave consent to running with you, they still can change their mind any time during the run and withdraw consent and kick you. Their time - their rules. They have the right to play with who they want to play with.

Maybe they had bad experience with someone else of lvl 26 and still didnt' get over it? You don't know. Maybe they saw how those other players played and think everyone lvl 26 is like that and can't , for example, aoe. What do you use for aoe on your lvl 26? Most aoe skills aren't unlocked at that level yet, and ICP has quite a few places where aoe makes things much faster and smoother.

BiS aoe is unlocked for stamblade at that level and I had level appropriate blue dw weapons equipped....which is pretty good for 26...also, I farm shards in my time between q's and know which leveling passives to unlock (which most are unlocked by 26....only a few of the top end dps ones are not....

SO yes, i feel i do know how to play. Agree or disagree, given the situation and events surrounding it, there was no logical reason to kick before the first pull on a norm.....snarky comments about "entitlement" aside.

It was justified. All that is required for it to be justified is that they don't want to run with you. I'll repeat:

They don't owe you running with you.
If they gave consent to running with you, they still can change their mind any time during the run and withdraw consent and kick you. Their time - their rules. They have the right to play with who they want to play with.

Too bad it happened to you, find another group. But you aren't entitled to their time. And what is the point of this thread? TO change people's behavior towards low levels? Then maybe being so entitled isn't the way to go. Maybe upload a dps parse on your level or something to show you're pulling enough, maybe share some cool experiences with other low levels..

But ranting that someone didn't want to run with you serves exactly what purpose?

Attackfrog · April 2017

Artis wrote: »

Attackfrog wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

Attackfrog wrote: »

Anyway, I have run ICP on this particular character before, but it is also not my first toon. I am just shy of 300 CP's, and frequent ESO forums/blogs (more passively than active posting) so, while I would never consider myself to be OP, I definitely know how to play.

While they were wrong and your level combined with CP could be enough, the quoted part is just wrong.

Just the fact that you have X cp and especially that you frequent forums doesn't mean that you definitely know how to play. That "so" is completely unjustified there.

But wow, I read your comments and I clearly see one more example of the entitled generation. So much entitlement there. You are playing with other people, not vending machines where you put your opinion of what DF is for in and get them running with you.

They don't owe you running with you.
If they gave consent to running with you, they still can change their mind any time during the run and withdraw consent and kick you. Their time - their rules. They have the right to play with who they want to play with.

Maybe they had bad experience with someone else of lvl 26 and still didnt' get over it? You don't know. Maybe they saw how those other players played and think everyone lvl 26 is like that and can't , for example, aoe. What do you use for aoe on your lvl 26? Most aoe skills aren't unlocked at that level yet, and ICP has quite a few places where aoe makes things much faster and smoother.

BiS aoe is unlocked for stamblade at that level and I had level appropriate blue dw weapons equipped....which is pretty good for 26...also, I farm shards in my time between q's and know which leveling passives to unlock (which most are unlocked by 26....only a few of the top end dps ones are not....

SO yes, i feel i do know how to play. Agree or disagree, given the situation and events surrounding it, there was no logical reason to kick before the first pull on a norm.....snarky comments about "entitlement" aside.

It was justified. All that is required for it to be justified is that they don't want to run with you. I'll repeat:

They don't owe you running with you.
If they gave consent to running with you, they still can change their mind any time during the run and withdraw consent and kick you. Their time - their rules. They have the right to play with who they want to play with.

Too bad it happened to you, find another group. But you aren't entitled to their time. And what is the point of this thread? TO change people's behavior towards low levels? Then maybe being so entitled isn't the way to go. Maybe upload a dps parse on your level or something to show you're pulling enough, maybe share some cool experiences with other low levels..

But ranting that someone didn't want to run with you serves exactly what purpose?

Again, If they don't want to q with low levels, why use the DF..especially for norm? And I gave them no reason to not run with me, other than I was a low level.

I probably would have sped up their run because I know my dps is far better than no dps, but most importantly, I know that dungeon. Their own ignorance and entitlement cost them a valuable group member.

But here is the "point" of the thread:

By your own "logic" just because someone doesn't like something (IE being grouped with a low level) and simply "can" do something, doesn't make it right.

Which brings me to the word "entitled"...

You keep using the word "entitled" but I am not entirely sure you know what it means....

A definition can be found here

And actually, it is more entitled to think you "own" the dungeon finder grouping system. The mentality of "I am going to use the RANDOM dungeon finder...but kick anything I don't like" is pretty "entitled" thinking. It is also pretty "entitled" to waste another player's time (by having to re-q) when you kick them upon entry to the dungeon. They have actually, in turn, wasted MY time and money due to their own perceived "OPness".

Using the RANDOM dungeon finder and running with the group you are given is quite the opposite of entitled.

The point of this thread is for others to read about my experience and perhaps learn from another player's ignorance, one way or the other. It seems that even you have learned something: the meaning of "entitlement".