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Build with worst sustain in the game?
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✭✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »My highest regen is about 800. Works just fine. I'm amazed at the levels of regen that people feel are necessary. Am I the only person who knows that heavy attacks recover resources?
Mag dk with dual wield or sword n board does not regen magika. You have to back bar a stick to get mag back.
Additionally any class can heavy attack, so not really class specific
If you're playing DPS MagDK you should be using Inferno staves. You're losing out on a lot of DPS with those options.
I prefer not to be piegeon holed, and my build works just fine as im built for survivability, and ability to time burst and finish enemies while fighting outnumbered.
Im essentially a light armor tank.
To each their own. Most builds perform good or great in their own way if optimized to what you're aiming for. However, there is a reason why the majority of magicka DPS build a certain way. Double fire staff or front bar fire and back bar lightning not only gives you the destro passive bonus with a destro skill slotted (fire 8% single target, lightning 8% AOE), it also allows you to efficiently light weave between skills (LA are a LARGE portion of your DPS) and allows you to HA to regain resources.
Even if you're building for solo and/or survivability, it's essential to have a weapon that "matches" you're type (Staff for Mag) on at least one bar that's geared for some DPS. You're S/B is definitely fine, but I question the dual wield as it isn't optimal for AOE as it was in previous patches.
The amount of times you used the incorrect 'your' here has triggered me enough to write this post about it2 -
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t3hdubzy✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »My highest regen is about 800. Works just fine. I'm amazed at the levels of regen that people feel are necessary. Am I the only person who knows that heavy attacks recover resources?
Mag dk with dual wield or sword n board does not regen magika. You have to back bar a stick to get mag back.
Additionally any class can heavy attack, so not really class specific
If you're playing DPS MagDK you should be using Inferno staves. You're losing out on a lot of DPS with those options.
I prefer not to be piegeon holed, and my build works just fine as im built for survivability, and ability to time burst and finish enemies while fighting outnumbered.
Im essentially a light armor tank.
To each their own. Most builds perform good or great in their own way if optimized to what you're aiming for. However, there is a reason why the majority of magicka DPS build a certain way. Double fire staff or front bar fire and back bar lightning not only gives you the destro passive bonus with a destro skill slotted (fire 8% single target, lightning 8% AOE), it also allows you to efficiently light weave between skills (LA are a LARGE portion of your DPS) and allows you to HA to regain resources.
Even if you're building for solo and/or survivability, it's essential to have a weapon that "matches" you're type (Staff for Mag) on at least one bar that's geared for some DPS. You're S/B is definitely fine, but I question the dual wield as it isn't optimal for AOE as it was in previous patches.
I run sword n board or dual wield, not both, back bar is a staff. More snb than dual wield however on my dk as i dont find the dps drop from dual wield to shield to be much if any.0 -
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✭✭James-Wayne wrote: »Magplar is by far the worst, MagDK have Draw Essence.
Eh?
The ONLY way my Magplar can run out of Magicka is if I am a) only fighting one mob - a Boss for example, AND b) have to spam heals, AND c) the fight lasts longer than 7 minutes.
Unless ALL THREE of those conditions apply I do not run out of Magicka, or anything else really.
As a Magplar my job is to Buff/DPS and Heal when and where necessary - as such it my number one priority to make sure I have the resources to do that.
No point busting off the chart with DPS, or even Heals if you can't sustain them for as long as the fight lasts.
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✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »My highest regen is about 800. Works just fine. I'm amazed at the levels of regen that people feel are necessary. Am I the only person who knows that heavy attacks recover resources?
Mag dk with dual wield or sword n board does not regen magika. You have to back bar a stick to get mag back.
Additionally any class can heavy attack, so not really class specific
Yeah there's this certain skill called Molten Armaments, that works really well with heavy attacks. So that part is totally DK specific. You get 40% more damage and resource return at the same time, not too bad.@ Izaki #PCEU
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✭✭DivyathFyr wrote: »Wait a min if magick nb suck right now and magick dk will too next patch then what the heck is left for magic users sorc??? Thats it? Rly?
Without CP Sorc sustain is even worse than DK. They don't have no Battle Roar, Channelled Focus or Siphoning Attacks in trials. They've got Dark Conversion which will totally gut your DPS numbers. All the classes will be tough next patch.@ Izaki #PCEU
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t3hdubzy✭✭✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »My highest regen is about 800. Works just fine. I'm amazed at the levels of regen that people feel are necessary. Am I the only person who knows that heavy attacks recover resources?
Mag dk with dual wield or sword n board does not regen magika. You have to back bar a stick to get mag back.
Additionally any class can heavy attack, so not really class specific
Yeah there's this certain skill called Molten Armaments, that works really well with heavy attacks. So that part is totally DK specific. You get 40% more damage and resource return at the same time, not too bad.
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t3hdubzy✭✭✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »DivyathFyr wrote: »Wait a min if magick nb suck right now and magick dk will too next patch then what the heck is left for magic users sorc??? Thats it? Rly?
Without CP Sorc sustain is even worse than DK. They don't have no Battle Roar, Channelled Focus or Siphoning Attacks in trials. They've got Dark Conversion which will totally gut your DPS numbers. All the classes will be tough next patch.
Im actually looking for to it, i think that there will be more choice to be made about role. Right now i can dps, heal and tank with the same charachter without changing a thing.0 -
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✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »DivyathFyr wrote: »Wait a min if magick nb suck right now and magick dk will too next patch then what the heck is left for magic users sorc??? Thats it? Rly?
Without CP Sorc sustain is even worse than DK. They don't have no Battle Roar, Channelled Focus or Siphoning Attacks in trials. They've got Dark Conversion which will totally gut your DPS numbers. All the classes will be tough next patch.
Im actually looking for to it, i think that there will be more choice to be made about role. Right now i can dps, heal and tank with the same charachter without changing a thing.
I meant in PvE. In PvP you can already easily sustain in no-CP if you build for it, so next patch it will still be fairly easy, maybe at the cost of a regen/reduction glyph or two.@ Izaki #PCEU
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Grabmoore✭✭✭✭✭I'm amazed noone mentioned Stamplar. Well, people have forgotten him alreadyEdited by Grabmoore on April 15, 2017 4:44PMEU - PC - Ebonheart Pact
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Anlaemar✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »
The amount of times you used the incorrect 'your' here has triggered me enough to write this post about it
Haha, at work got busy while typing. I edited the two mistakes just for you.
Edited by Anlaemar on April 15, 2017 4:28PM(NA) Anlaemar with 750+ Champion Points
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seaef✭✭✭✭✭postlarval wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »My highest regen is about 800. Works just fine. I'm amazed at the levels of regen that people feel are necessary. Am I the only person who knows that heavy attacks recover resources?
800?
My magicka recovery is 2145 @ 299 CP
Forget Magician...go for Arcanist + heavy attacks + Mag Recovery food. You'll never run out of magicka.
Keep Destructive Clench, Dragon Fire Scale, Obsidian Shard, and Green Dragon Blood on your bar and you'll have ZERO chance of ever dying, unless you go up against more than 5 mobs at a time.
Haha you must not know who you replied to. There is nothing new you can tell him abt DKs. Trust.
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✭✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »
The amount of times you used the incorrect 'your' here has triggered me enough to write this post about it
Haha, at work got busy while typing. I edited the two mistakes just for you.
You missed a few.MNB is pretty rough
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✭✭✭✭postlarval wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »My highest regen is about 800. Works just fine. I'm amazed at the levels of regen that people feel are necessary. Am I the only person who knows that heavy attacks recover resources?
800?
My magicka recovery is 2145 @ 299 CP
Forget Magician...go for Arcanist + heavy attacks + Mag Recovery food. You'll never run out of magicka.
Keep Destructive Clench, Dragon Fire Scale, Obsidian Shard, and Green Dragon Blood on your bar and you'll have ZERO chance of ever dying, unless you go up against more than 5 mobs at a time.
Haha you must not know who you replied to. There is nothing new you can tell him abt DKs. Trust.
I'm a Templar. I've never played a DK once. My initials in real life are DK.4 -
seaef✭✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »postlarval wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »My highest regen is about 800. Works just fine. I'm amazed at the levels of regen that people feel are necessary. Am I the only person who knows that heavy attacks recover resources?
800?
My magicka recovery is 2145 @ 299 CP
Forget Magician...go for Arcanist + heavy attacks + Mag Recovery food. You'll never run out of magicka.
Keep Destructive Clench, Dragon Fire Scale, Obsidian Shard, and Green Dragon Blood on your bar and you'll have ZERO chance of ever dying, unless you go up against more than 5 mobs at a time.
Haha you must not know who you replied to. There is nothing new you can tell him abt DKs. Trust.
I'm a Templar. I've never played a DK once. My initials in real life are DK.
ROTFLMAO
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✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »My highest regen is about 800. Works just fine. I'm amazed at the levels of regen that people feel are necessary. Am I the only person who knows that heavy attacks recover resources?
Mag dk with dual wield or sword n board does not regen magika. You have to back bar a stick to get mag back.
Additionally any class can heavy attack, so not really class specific
If you're playing DPS MagDK you should be using Inferno staves. You're losing out on a lot of DPS with those options.
Well, PvP is not about the highest DPS possible.James-Wayne wrote: »Magplar is by far the worst, MagDK have Draw Essence.
Channeled Focus + Radiant Aura.
Magplars have the best sustain.Edited by hmsdragonfly on April 15, 2017 7:08PMAldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!0 -
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Anlaemar✭✭✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »
Wasn't referring to PvP.(NA) Anlaemar with 750+ Champion Points
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✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »
Wasn't referring to PvP.
I don't think any magDK DD runs S/B in PvE xDAldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!0 -
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Sure if you want to use a staff and be a sorc wannabe. Try playing a dual wield concealed weapon nb. Tell me how well your sustain and damage works out for you.
I assume you PvP, because CW is horrible for PvE for multiple reasons. SW/FH for solo for self heals and CS/FP trials for more monster set procs. Zero issues and the only resemblance Mageblade have to Sorcs are CS/FP and Blockade, which all Mag DPS use at one point or another. We just don't pull as much DPS as Sorcs.
PvP is another story, obviously. You spam CW 10+ trying to kill someone, yeah you'll have problems. I typically see Mageblades using CW for burst builds, so you shouldn't be spamming it that many times.
It should be spammable tho, I hope they increase the damage by like 30% or even more and even if they do it Magicka NB will still be trash in PvP.
OP, MagDk are the worst to sustain, you can sustain like a boss right now with 2 combined sets but next patch I recommend you to delete your character lol.K1 The Big Monkey0 -
Anlaemar✭✭✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »
Out of context and getting off topic, though a MagDK can run S/B when soloing.Edited by Anlaemar on April 15, 2017 8:34PM(NA) Anlaemar with 750+ Champion Points
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DivyathFyr✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »DivyathFyr wrote: »Wait a min if magick nb suck right now and magick dk will too next patch then what the heck is left for magic users sorc??? Thats it? Rly?
Without CP Sorc sustain is even worse than DK. They don't have no Battle Roar, Channelled Focus or Siphoning Attacks in trials. They've got Dark Conversion which will totally gut your DPS numbers. All the classes will be tough next patch.
Im actually looking for to it, i think that there will be more choice to be made about role. Right now i can dps, heal and tank with the same charachter without changing a thing.
I meant in PvE. In PvP you can already easily sustain in no-CP if you build for it, so next patch it will still be fairly easy, maybe at the cost of a regen/reduction glyph or two.
I though the no cp is for pvp only so whrn u join it removes cp when ur back to pve its back?0 -
DivyathFyr✭✭
Sure if you want to use a staff and be a sorc wannabe. Try playing a dual wield concealed weapon nb. Tell me how well your sustain and damage works out for you.
I assume you PvP, because CW is horrible for PvE for multiple reasons. SW/FH for solo for self heals and CS/FP trials for more monster set procs. Zero issues and the only resemblance Mageblade have to Sorcs are CS/FP and Blockade, which all Mag DPS use at one point or another. We just don't pull as much DPS as Sorcs.
PvP is another story, obviously. You spam CW 10+ trying to kill someone, yeah you'll have problems. I typically see Mageblades using CW for burst builds, so you shouldn't be spamming it that many times.
It should be spammable tho, I hope they increase the damage by like 30% or even more and even if they do it Magicka NB will still be trash in PvP.
OP, MagDk are the worst to sustain, you can sustain like a boss right now with 2 combined sets but next patch I recommend you to delete your character lol.
Rly u make me wanna reroll and not want to play my mag dk because of these reasons0 -
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✭a naked dragon knight with no cpEdited by LadyLavina on April 16, 2017 5:30PMPC - NA @LadyLavina 1800+ CP PvP Tank and PvP Healer0 -
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✭Stamplars; even after the reduction to Javelin and Jabs cost - only thing they have helping them out is 6% cost reduction from class passives whereas Magplars have Rune Focus on top of that. I don't include Repentance because it is only good in scenarios where you get a lot of kills in which case you wouldn't need it anyway. In 1vX, 1v1, 2v2 and on prolonged boss fights it isn't even worth slotting.
Probably closely followed by Magicka Dragonknights as Dragonknights are the class with the second worst sustain.
My personal ranking from worst to best:
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Magicka Dragonknight
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Magicka Templar
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✭✭DivyathFyr wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »DivyathFyr wrote: »Wait a min if magick nb suck right now and magick dk will too next patch then what the heck is left for magic users sorc??? Thats it? Rly?
Without CP Sorc sustain is even worse than DK. They don't have no Battle Roar, Channelled Focus or Siphoning Attacks in trials. They've got Dark Conversion which will totally gut your DPS numbers. All the classes will be tough next patch.
Im actually looking for to it, i think that there will be more choice to be made about role. Right now i can dps, heal and tank with the same charachter without changing a thing.
I meant in PvE. In PvP you can already easily sustain in no-CP if you build for it, so next patch it will still be fairly easy, maybe at the cost of a regen/reduction glyph or two.
I though the no cp is for pvp only so whrn u join it removes cp when ur back to pve its back?
Magician CP is being removed. So if you can sustain now in no-CP, you'll be able to sustain without Magician next patch.@ Izaki #PCEU
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