Mag dk has the worst sustain because their abilities cost the most compared to other classes.

If you run a 5 piece Suducers set that gives a 8% cost reduction and put 100 champion points into the magicka cost reduction that gives a total 25%. You can have your magicka spell cost 33% less. Of which for a Magicka DK is alot. However in the next update this will no longer be possible. The developers are getting rid of the cost reduction champion skill meaning that you will be stuck with a standard 8%. Even more so that Magicka recovery skill in the chamipion system is going from 25% to 15%. Of which making playing a Magicka DK even more difficult.

So if not now, the next update will have Magicka DKs have the worst sustain in the game.

Damn sux i rly enjoy magick dk but it seems they are in bad spot next patch

MagDK has terrible sustain and will probably be unplayable next patch.

Vosital wrote: »

MagDK has terrible sustain and will probably be unplayable next patch.

DivyathFyr wrote: »

Damn sux i rly enjoy magick dk but it seems they are in bad spot next patch

xblackroxe wrote: »

Mag dk has the worst sustain because their abilities cost the most compared to other classes.

And the Pay to Play Warden with all those regen abilities incoming...cooincidence? I don't think so.

Unless they reduce DK ability cost, that class is so screwed. Ability costs are all like 4k+ right now, and that is with Magician
CP. Once that goes.. oh god.

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

MNB is pretty rough

You either haven't played a Mageblade or aren't playing them right. They are IMO the best when it comes to sustain with Siphoning Attacks.

t3hdubzy wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

My highest regen is about 800. Works just fine. I'm amazed at the levels of regen that people feel are necessary. Am I the only person who knows that heavy attacks recover resources?

Mag dk with dual wield or sword n board does not regen magika. You have to back bar a stick to get mag back.

Additionally any class can heavy attack, so not really class specific

If you're playing DPS MagDK you should be using Inferno staves. You're losing out on a lot of DPS with those options.

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

My highest regen is about 800. Works just fine. I'm amazed at the levels of regen that people feel are necessary. Am I the only person who knows that heavy attacks recover resources?

800?

My magicka recovery is 2145 @ 299 CP

Forget Magician...go for Arcanist + heavy attacks + Mag Recovery food. You'll never run out of magicka.

Keep Destructive Clench, Dragon Fire Scale, Obsidian Shard, and Green Dragon Blood on your bar and you'll have ZERO chance of ever dying, unless you go up against more than 5 mobs at a time.

postlarval wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

My highest regen is about 800. Works just fine. I'm amazed at the levels of regen that people feel are necessary. Am I the only person who knows that heavy attacks recover resources?

800?

My magicka recovery is 2145 @ 299 CP

Forget Magician...go for Arcanist + heavy attacks + Mag Recovery food. You'll never run out of magicka.

Keep Destructive Clench, Dragon Fire Scale, Obsidian Shard, and Green Dragon Blood on your bar and you'll have ZERO chance of ever dying, unless you go up against more than 5 mobs at a time.

you talk like 2k regen is something to be proud of hah

the reality is you just don't need that; every class has ways to sustain themselves without even specing into regen, which allows the points to be placed towards getting more damage

of course this is all likely to shift once the cost reduction CP passives are removed, but you know

Emothic wrote: »

If you run a 5 piece Suducers set that gives a 8% cost reduction and put 100 champion points into the magicka cost reduction that gives a total 25%. You can have your magicka spell cost 33% less. Of which for a Magicka DK is alot. However in the next update this will no longer be possible. The developers are getting rid of the cost reduction champion skill meaning that you will be stuck with a standard 8%. Even more so that Magicka recovery skill in the chamipion system is going from 25% to 15%. Of which making playing a Magicka DK even more difficult.

So if not now, the next update will have Magicka DKs have the worst sustain in the game.

I must live under a rock, what are they replacing cost reduction with?

Anlaemar wrote: »

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

MNB is pretty rough

You either haven't played a Mageblade or aren't playing them right. They are IMO the best when it comes to sustain with Siphoning Attacks.

Sure if you want to use a staff and be a sorc wannabe. Try playing a dual wield concealed weapon nb. Tell me how well your sustain and damage works out for you.

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

postlarval wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

My highest regen is about 800. Works just fine. I'm amazed at the levels of regen that people feel are necessary. Am I the only person who knows that heavy attacks recover resources?

800?

My magicka recovery is 2145 @ 299 CP

Forget Magician...go for Arcanist + heavy attacks + Mag Recovery food. You'll never run out of magicka.

Keep Destructive Clench, Dragon Fire Scale, Obsidian Shard, and Green Dragon Blood on your bar and you'll have ZERO chance of ever dying, unless you go up against more than 5 mobs at a time.

Haha you must not know who you replied to. There is nothing new you can tell him abt DKs. Trust.

Without trying to offend or to be funny, would you mind telling us why you weigh t3hdubzy's opinion so high? Sorry, but I'm as much a forum "casual" as an ingame casual. I don't know the more pertinent or famed players by name, so a bit more information would be appreciated.

t3hdubzy wrote: »

Anlaemar wrote: »

t3hdubzy wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

My highest regen is about 800. Works just fine. I'm amazed at the levels of regen that people feel are necessary. Am I the only person who knows that heavy attacks recover resources?

Mag dk with dual wield or sword n board does not regen magika. You have to back bar a stick to get mag back.

Additionally any class can heavy attack, so not really class specific

If you're playing DPS MagDK you should be using Inferno staves. You're losing out on a lot of DPS with those options.

I prefer not to be piegeon holed, and my build works just fine as im built for survivability, and ability to time burst and finish enemies while fighting outnumbered.

Im essentially a light armor tank.

To each their own. Most builds perform good or great in their own way if optimized to what you're aiming for. However, there is a reason why the majority of magicka DPS build a certain way. Double fire staff or front bar fire and back bar lightning not only gives you the destro passive bonus with a destro skill slotted (fire 8% single target, lightning 8% AOE), it also allows you to efficiently light weave between skills (LA are a LARGE portion of your DPS) and allows you to HA to regain resources.

Even if you're building for solo and/or survivability, it's essential to have a weapon that "matches" your type (Staff for Mag) on at least one bar that's geared for some DPS. Your S/B is definitely fine, but I question the dual wield as it isn't optimal for AOE as it was in previous patches.

LegacyDM wrote: »

Anlaemar wrote: »

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

MNB is pretty rough

You either haven't played a Mageblade or aren't playing them right. They are IMO the best when it comes to sustain with Siphoning Attacks.

Sure if you want to use a staff and be a sorc wannabe. Try playing a dual wield concealed weapon nb. Tell me how well your sustain and damage works out for you.

I assume you PvP, because CW is horrible for PvE for multiple reasons. SW/FH for solo for self heals and CS/FP trials for more monster set procs. Zero issues and the only resemblance Mageblade have to Sorcs are CS/FP and Blockade, which all Mag DPS use at one point or another. We just don't pull as much DPS as Sorcs.

PvP is another story, obviously. You spam CW 10+ trying to kill someone, yeah you'll have problems. I typically see Mageblades using CW for burst builds, so you shouldn't be spamming it that many times.