ESO is the best MMO 2017

MrDenimChicken · April 2017

Castle117 wrote: »

PS4 and PC versions are exceedingly fun and interesting with each update. The expansion later this year will be the icing-on-the-cake.

I started with UO and EQ 18+ years ago. When WOW was released i felt that it was what EQ should have been. I now am getting the same feeling about ESO being the game WoW should have been....

A lot of challenges ahead for ESO, but if they play it right, MMOs maybe back.

Here's to 18 years and 20+ expansions for ESO.

Thanks.

18 years? you crazy man

this game is not optimized enough and way too unstable to handle years of updates or any graphics upgrades

Fingolfinn01 · April 2017

Castle117 wrote: »

PS4 and PC versions are exceedingly fun and interesting with each update. The expansion later this year will be the icing-on-the-cake.

I started with UO and EQ 18+ years ago. When WOW was released i felt that it was what EQ should have been. I now am getting the same feeling about ESO being the game WoW should have been....

A lot of challenges ahead for ESO, but if they play it right, MMOs maybe back.

Here's to 18 years and 20+ expansions for ESO.

Thanks.

Eso is an amazing game. Its style it simply the best.

Rainwhisper · April 2017

I date back to UO, and I agree. I never seem to run out of things to do, and the game world is beautiful and engaging.

Gordon906 · April 2017

MrDenimChicken wrote: »

Castle117 wrote: »

PS4 and PC versions are exceedingly fun and interesting with each update. The expansion later this year will be the icing-on-the-cake.

I started with UO and EQ 18+ years ago. When WOW was released i felt that it was what EQ should have been. I now am getting the same feeling about ESO being the game WoW should have been....

A lot of challenges ahead for ESO, but if they play it right, MMOs maybe back.

Here's to 18 years and 20+ expansions for ESO.

Thanks.

18 years? you crazy man

this game is not optimized enough and way too unstable to handle years of updates or any graphics upgrades

MMORPG with Battlefield 1 graphics? ESO graphics is great compared to other mmos especially WoW

d0e1ow · April 2017

No, WoW is the best. ESO stopped being the best the minute they started to care more about the money store than they did about the game. 100 dollar digital homes and endless gambling.

Yeah, the "best" MMO. If you played EQ, OP, then are from that early era at least. Hard to believe even oldies are getting on board with the money money money philosophy of MMO devs these days.

Sad!

Mush55 · April 2017

CaiWenji wrote: »

Castle117 wrote: »

PS4 and PC versions are exceedingly fun and interesting with each update. The expansion later this year will be the icing-on-the-cake.

I started with UO and EQ 18+ years ago. When WOW was released i felt that it was what EQ should have been. I now am getting the same feeling about ESO being the game WoW should have been....

A lot of challenges ahead for ESO, but if they play it right, MMOs maybe back.

Here's to 18 years and 20+ expansions for ESO.

Thanks.

Never played any of those other games you mentioned but I have had my fill on soooooooo many others. Usually before ESO, if it was an MMO, I would only play it if it was free to play. And like all of those are pay to win. Anyhow after years of many free games, and a few buy ones too, have played Guild Wars 2 and Black Desert Online. Nothing compares to The Elder Scrolls Online. And like you it keep only getting better!

So yes! May all the old negative things people have said in the past fade away and may ESO never die, but yet grow larger and larger. So large that we will have vast rich land full of people everywhere! (which it kind has, lately )

Lets see how much better you think it is when you have run the same content for the last 8 months and run every dugeon for the gazillionth time.

If the next update does not have substantial content like orsinium then this game will be on a count down , even the most most die hard fan can only find so much to do over and over and over again....

David_Zarn · April 2017

WoW is legendary game, starting with game optimizing and ending up with epic stories, you can't compare this game with game which included community requests into game asap within months time, not after 100500 years like ZOS doing with ESO. If WoW could have same graphics as ESO have, probably personally me as many of other gamers would return to WoW.

Cherryblossom · April 2017

Whilst I'd agree that ESO is Good and has the potential to be Great. Its certainly not the best.

There are to many issues in the game, these it would seem are never going to be addressed.
There is too few end game content.
Additional content always seems like half a job and always adds more issues.
The combat system is never balanced, play how you want, but expect to change it ever 4 months when they change how everything works again.

Knootewoot · April 2017

Meh I disagree. But all the mmo's I liked better are either shut down or I already played them to much to care.

PvE wise I haven't touched ESO in months since there is nothing thrilling and exciting happening. It's all so stale and boring. PvP I do like except nuisances like proc-sets, poisons and some other annoying things (loading screens).

Sadly no better mmo is on the horizon (for PvE I might look into Pantheon but won't hold my breath) and PvP wise I have nothing on the horizon that would be better.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · April 2017

I think in general the game is in a really good place right now.

One Tamriel was a huge improvement, TG and DB are nice DLCs and Orsinium really is big enough, and with enough content, that it could be argued it should have been released as an Expac like Morrowind is.

Morrowind is shaping up to be a massive improvement and shake-up to the game, and will be so even if it only manages to live up to half the hype.

Personally I am enjoying my time in ESO now more than I have at any time in the past.

There are still for me three serious issues - but these issues seem to plague every MMORPG.

1) PvP Balance - in all honesty I don't think this can ever be resolved until a game company has the courage and resources to essentially split PvP and PvE completely. Different gear, different skill sets etc, and no cross-over from one to the other. I don't do much PvP at all so this doesn't really affect me much, but that doesn't mean i think it an issue that can be ignored. PvPers have as much right to a functioning game as PvEers.

2) End Game Stagnation - this will always happen, because some people will find end-game fun, challenging, and some may even find it easy; while others will find it a chore, boring or just too damn hard. Not sure how to resolve this unless a game company can come up with two, or more, different end-game routes to the same point of progression.

3) The horrendous RNG grind for build effective gear. ESO has admitted that it hears our concerns, and has said they are looking at seeking to address those concerns after Morrowind goes live.

But overall I am happy with where ESO is right now, so much so that I have left my three month rolling sub active, and will continue to do so until after Morrowind launches.

All The Best

andreasv · April 2017

Nestor wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Let's all wager and revisit this thread in a year and see if we're not already F2P, then it will be announced as a future intention.

This very same statement has been made every 3 or 4 months since Beta. I guess if you keep making the same statement every 3 or 4 months, you might be right in decade or so.

I don't think players were predicting F2P since beta, but B2P was mentioned. And I think there were statements from ZOS that they will stick to a subscription model and the typical fanboy reaction was just look at WoW and FFXIV and their success with subscriptions.

Looking at some players in ESO and how they happily spend hundreds of dollars / pounds / euros on crates and digital property, I wouldn't be surprised if ZOS is trying a F2P approach in the future to milk those players even more.

GrigorijMalahevich · April 2017

@Castle117
I Loved UO back in the late 90's, oh the good old times

exploring the world was just uber interesting and PvP was just pure skill...

Totally agree that ESO is just great and totally best MMORPG!

If you could loot your enemies in PvP that would be interesting

more adrenaline for good players and more aggro for bad ones.

Huyen · April 2017

Rohaus wrote: »

Who cares if the game went F2P. You F2P complainers seem to forget the first rule to a MMO... people... and lots of them.

As it stands, this game has loads and loads of people running around!

Handle it!

In a way the game is already f2p. But then again, most other games are too: you buy it once, and you get to keep playing all you want. So stop complaining about wheter or not its f2p, as its a meaningless discussion.

Betsararie · April 2017

ESO is currently my favorite game.

I have played other MMOs such as WoW, Skyforge, EQ, among others.

ESO can be better than any of them, but there is work to be done.

Fix the optimization issues and add more content. much more. There should be more content than is easily completable... And there's not

Egonieser · April 2017

Ariades_swe wrote: »

As of now its 15 k steam users online on pc.
Last summer it was max 5k.
Game is doing great.

I wouldn't use Steam in this case as a any kind of representative. Game launched on PC long before it had a steam version and still has a standalone version to this day. A lot of people also choose not to tie a independant game to any kind of DRM platform, which makes steam statistics irrelevant. While it may be showing a "trend", those numbers are far too small to represent the entire PC playerbase, for all we know steam users might be going up and standalone going down - we don't know that (although it is unlikely just looking at the thriving population). Same situation as most MMO's - steam versions have tiny numbers compared to standalone versions, like Path of Exile for example - steam version only makes up for less than 1/5 of their entire playerbase as people don't like jumping an extra "hoop" to get to their beloved game, also a 3rd party comes into play which makes resolving issues more difficult.

Tabbycat · April 2017

Violynne wrote: »

Castle117 wrote: »

Here's to 18 years and 20+ expansions for ESO.

Not going to happen.

EQ and Wow had something ESO doesn't: subscribers.

Without a guaranteed minimum of revenue to support long term projects, ESO is more likely to turn F2P rather than MMO.

It's a sad truth to accept, but if we want ESO to be good, subscriptions must become mandatory, not optional.

Then, ZoS can ditch Crown crates and focus on making goods we can spend our Crowns on which comes with subscriptions.

Not necessarily. GW2 has never had a subscription yet it remains immensely popular.

Castielle · April 2017

ESO is definitely the best MMO in 2017! With that said, I agree with some other users here, especially the one that mentioned LOTRO. This game is headed in the F2P direction, and will be someday. F2P games are notorious for putting out lower and lower quality content as they transform the game into a revolving door. Enticing new players to start playing and not worrying about long time players who no longer have anything to purchase. I pray that doesn't happen to ESO like it did with LOTRO, but my gut tells me eventually it will come to that.

Cas

xRIVALENx · April 2017

In another 8 months you may call it the best MMO of 2017 but as it stands now we are only in the second quarter. Once Brad McQuaid releases Pantheon ( hopefully this year ) everyone is welcome to my stuff on PC NA, I won't be coming back.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · April 2017

Castielle wrote: »

ESO is definitely the best MMO in 2017! With that said, I agree with some other users here, especially the one that mentioned LOTRO. This game is headed in the F2P direction, and will be someday. F2P games are notorious for putting out lower and lower quality content as they transform the game into a revolving door. Enticing new players to start playing and not worrying about long time players who no longer have anything to purchase. I pray that doesn't happen to ESO like it did with LOTRO, but my gut tells me eventually it will come to that.

Cas

I understand why you make the comparisons to LOTRO that you do. However, in light of Turbine offloading the LOTRO franchise, and studio personnel, to Standing Stone Games and the information that came to light during that process I feel the comparison is not particularly sound.

It has become clear that for some years now Turbine has been seeking to concentrate its efforts on mobile platform gaming that is supported by both micro and macro transactions. It has also become clear that the Devs working on LOTRO at Turbine were not fully supportive of that process within LOTRO, and have re-committed to content led releases rather that store led releases now that they are independent of Turbine at Standing Stone Games.

Now, obviously only time will tell if they stay true to that. But LOTRO when it originally went F2P was a very different game to how it was just prior to Turbine spinning it off to SSG. When LOTRO first went F2P it was, arguably, the best F2P model out there, because the Store Currency could not only be purchased for real-word cash, it could also be earned in game by completing deeds and achievements. And it was possible for a player to unlock everything that a Subscriber had access to without ever needing to spend any real money - I know this because I was in a Guild with at least two players who did exactly that. That changed in the last couple of years that LOTRO was at Turbine and it was clear that the player community was not at all happy with the game going in that direction.

I hope SSG can turn the LOTRO ship around, because the LOTRO game setting is still my favourite fantasy setting of all time.

All The Best

Lythandra · April 2017

Lets not forget Destiny 2 which come out in Sept I believe. I'm certainly going to try it and see if it grabs my interest.

I like ESO. Love the graphics, world building and the stories. End game leave alot to be desired tho. Highly unbalanced and they do not seem to be doing much about it. PvP lag anyone?

I'm still getting Morrowwind tho and I do enjoy the questing but at the stage I have done 99% of the quests in the game.

Qyrk · April 2017

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Let's all wager and revisit this thread in a year and see if we're not already F2P, then it will be announced as a future intention.

This very same statement has been made every 3 or 4 months since Beta. I guess if you keep making the same statement every 3 or 4 months, you might be right in decade or so.

REALLY? people have been saying F2P since BETA!?!? LOL!

We'll see what other MMO launch over the next year or so, and how successful they are at drawing away players. Lest I give the wrong impression, I like the game enuff to have subbed (at full console price) for the last 6 months, and to have made crown purchases.

Umm yes, many people was saying ESO will be free to play close after launch, so really for people like you that will say it will be.....I haven't seen it yet in the last three years.

Maybe try to make a statement in 3 months time again so that everyone should be reminded hehe

Ariades_swe · April 2017

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Ballzy321 · April 2017

Trials have been broken for months with no fix game is in a great state

Violynne · April 2017

magictucktuck wrote: »

On Xbox one, i don't know one person in my 500 man guild who is not subscribed... now im sure there are some in there that don't talk who are not but I'm willing to bet more people than not are subscribed.

I'll take that bet. The evidence contradicts your belief, but don't worry, no wagers will be lost today.

ESO seems to be in a quasi-state position, and it's clear to me the game is going free to play. The increased prices of Crown store items, the randomized Crown Crate offerings, and strong emphasis on the Crown store itself, which now pops up with new updates in the game rather than on the home screen, as it used to be. I'm also on XB1, so I have to say I wasn't impressed with the pop-up screen added to my game.

When ESO was announced for console, the majority of players whined and cried like children about the subscription. "But we already pay for online!", they yelled in unison. "I won't pay for this game.", remarked others.

It takes exceptional sales through a virtual store to generate revenue to host a game with millions of players if it's a base F2P game. I'm sure most of you don't even realize there have been more failures of F2P games than successes. A brand surely helps, but a publisher (who are so far distanced from their gaming audience, they still think of players as basement dwellers) must be prepared to give its players what they need to find the game enjoyable.

It's not an easy thing to do. One miscue, and either the game can quickly turn P2W (Play to win) or the in-game world is quickly divided by the "haves" and "have nots", which can ruin game play quickly.

I have no clue why ZoS elected to drop the subscription, but it was a stupid thing to do, in my opinion. This game isn't designed for F2P, and every "update" they add which seems to push it this way, and I'm not pleased with these changes geared to entice people to gamble their money away.

ZoS should stand firm: Restore subscriptions, ditch the idiotic gambling and overpriced goods in the Crown store, and take their lumps and bumps for a month or two until things settle.

I'm sure there will be an exodus of players unwilling to pay for the game, but this actually benefits those who do as server loads would drastically reduce, restoring stability so ZoS can focus on the longevity of the game rather than balking how much they have to pay Amazon to run the game (which isn't cheap, if I go with what our company pays for AWS).

I get sick and tired of people complaining about ZoS' attempts at generating revenue, either by calling them greedy or putting their name down as Zo$ while freeloading off a game that's expansive, and provides months, even years, of play time.

Uriel_Nocturne · April 2017

I an agree with the OP.

I believe that ESO is the best MMORPG on the market right now. If I didn't, I wouldn't have been a subscriber for as long as I have.

I've played a lot of MMORPG's over the past 20+ years, and ESO has the chops to sustain as long as ZOS makes the right decisions. As far as the "F2P IS COMING!!!" naysayers, that's been an ongoing conspiracy theory for three years now, and I don't put any stock in that at all with what ZOS is doing. They have a healthy player base across all three platforms, and are getting more subscribers with every month, and that in itself speaks to the quality and depth of the game.

Will ESO remain the Best MMO? That depends entirely on ZOS and the decisions they make as newer, broader High_Fantasy MMORPG's enter the market. They have to stay true to Elder Scrolls theme that they have now, while still providing deep, engaging story and game play, while countering the emergence of new High-Fantasy MMO's as they arrive into the market.

Don't take this as blind-developer/game worship though. Like every other MMO on the market and through the genre history, ESO does have it's share of issues, and the ones I have taken the most seriously, I have been very vocal about. But I do see the effort being made by ZOS to address those issues, even if I don't agree with them at times. But overall; ZOS is making far more positive changes and content releases, mixed with a good direction on their business model, and they have a good shot at making this a very long-running B2P MMORPG.

But for 2017 and the few previous years, I do very much agree that ESO is the best MMORPG on the market right now. I will continue to subscribe to support the game and ZOS as a whole, and I feel that the value of the game and what I get for my subscription is well founded and worth the subscription I pay.

So for now, I see no reason to refute the claim that ESO is the best MMO, and there's no MMORPG on the near horizon that tempts me to leave ESO for any reason.

Runschei · April 2017

Cheers

Uriel_Nocturne · April 2017

Ballzy321 wrote: »

Trials have been broken for months with no fix game is in a great state

And to put your post in a proper perspective, ESO is far more broad, and has much greater depth than just the Trials.

The game is very much in a good place, and has a bright future ahead of it going forward. ZOS will get the issues with Trials and PvP sorted out. It might take time, MMO's are notoriously complex games, but with what I see from ZOS, they are actively working on those issues and more.

And that's definitely not something you can say for every MMORPG developer in 2017.

Sinax_KNT · April 2017

d0e1ow wrote: »

No, WoW is the best. ESO stopped being the best the minute they started to care more about the money store than they did about the game. 100 dollar digital homes and endless gambling.

Yeah, the "best" MMO. If you played EQ, OP, then are from that early era at least. Hard to believe even oldies are getting on board with the money money money philosophy of MMO devs these days.

Sad!

People forget that WOW actually sells Gold these days in their cash shop.. Selling sub tokens for people to sell on auction house is P2W. talk about greedy

Ghost-Shot · April 2017

I don't think I'd call it the best, I'm actively playing ESO and WoW and I think Legion is still going strong, the amount of content being added to Warcraft is staggering. It's at the point where even hardcore players are asking Blizzard to chill a little bit to give some down time between the Mythic world first race and new raid boss testing on the PTR.

ESO has a serious content problem, everyone knows you can never create content fast enough to keep everyone busy 100% of the time but we are still seeing gaps of over a year between raid releases, our last content update was like 9 months ago and it was just 2 dungeons. We have very little incentive to raid and we have tons of dailies that are ultimately pointless which just exaggerates the content problems. I like ESO, I've played since beta and have always found it to be a fun game but for the last 6 months or so I log in to do writs and then realize that I don't really have anything meaningful to do in the game.

Uriel_Nocturne · April 2017

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

I don't think I'd call it the best, I'm actively playing ESO and WoW and I think Legion is still going strong, the amount of content being added to Warcraft is staggering. It's at the point where even hardcore players are asking Blizzard to chill a little bit to give some down time between the Mythic world first race and new raid boss testing on the PTR.

ESO has a serious content problem, everyone knows you can never create content fast enough to keep everyone busy 100% of the time but we are still seeing gaps of over a year between raid releases, our last content update was like 9 months ago and it was just 2 dungeons. We have very little incentive to raid and we have tons of dailies that are ultimately pointless which just exaggerates the content problems. I like ESO, I've played since beta and have always found it to be a fun game but for the last 6 months or so I log in to do writs and then realize that I don't really have anything meaningful to do in the game.

While I fully understand your position, I think ZOS is actively trying to keep ESO from becoming a "Raid or don't bother playing" MMO like WoW has turned into.

I say this because; while I LOVE the Legion content, if you aren't raiding in WoW, then there's not much left to the game.

Personally, I would hate to see ESO follow the same path. It may work for WoW, but I think that's a situation that is unique to WoW and how they've built the game over the last 10+ years.

Personally, I believe that their release schedule is just fine (my own personal opinion), and while I would like to see a bit more content in their smaller DLC releases, I think that the "major release" schedule (and thus, new Trials/Raids) is right on track for where ESO is going and needs to be going for the future.