Werewolf PVP build advice

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · April 2017

Werewolves are rare in PVP, good ones are almost extinct until this one I versed the other day....

Now I'm very curious to what to run to be effective as a WW like this guy was.

To give info on how strong this wolf was and what he was running, The fight:

- Lasted over 10 mins in an open field
- the wolfs self heals (magicka ability) was very strong (like BoL on Templar) leading me to think he must've used pelinials.
- I was a stam heavy armoured DK in a strong setup, he could literally burst almost 20k of my health away instantly, plus I had his weakness - poison damage, despite this neither of us could kill each other although we both got close

- he had 33k health (must be in heavy)
- Was a stam temp
- duel wield and 2H

WW self heal put me off before, even pelinials set is not that great but I'm thinking what other sets to run?

I thought maybe run:

5 heavy
2 medium

Bone pirate
Pelinials
Kena or engine guardian

I need to see if monster sets proc in wolf (I think they do)

ScooberSteve · April 2017

Werewolf hide and legion set. Op as *** your welcome

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · April 2017

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Werewolf hide and legion set. Op as *** your welcome

Doesn't like that great, I mean the self heal is gunna be poo, means relying purely on legion proc.

Ohhgrizyyy · April 2017

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Werewolves are rare in PVP, good ones are almost extinct until this one I versed the other day....

Now I'm very curious to what to run to be effective as a WW like this guy was.

To give info on how strong this wolf was and what he was running, The fight:

- Lasted over 10 mins in an open field
- the wolfs self heals (magicka ability) was very strong (like BoL on Templar) leading me to think he must've used pelinials.
- I was a stam heavy armoured DK in a strong setup, he could literally burst almost 20k of my health away instantly, plus I had his weakness - poison damage, despite this neither of us could kill each other although we both got close

- he had 33k health (must be in heavy)
- Was a stam temp
- duel wield and 2H

WW self heal put me off before, even pelinials set is not that great but I'm thinking what other sets to run?

I thought maybe run:

5 heavy
2 medium

Bone pirate
Pelinials
Kena or engine guardian

I need to see if monster sets proc in wolf (I think they do)

I know Krotha runs a build like 5 Pelinial, and some set where you Regen like 866 magicka a second and your sprint cost is reduced by 50%

Yolokin_Swagonborn · April 2017

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Werewolves are rare in PVP, good ones are almost extinct until this one I versed the other day....

Now I'm very curious to what to run to be effective as a WW like this guy was.

To give info on how strong this wolf was and what he was running, The fight:

- Lasted over 10 mins in an open field
- the wolfs self heals (magicka ability) was very strong (like BoL on Templar) leading me to think he must've used pelinials.
- I was a stam heavy armoured DK in a strong setup, he could literally burst almost 20k of my health away instantly, plus I had his weakness - poison damage, despite this neither of us could kill each other although we both got close

- he had 33k health (must be in heavy)
- Was a stam temp
- duel wield and 2H

WW self heal put me off before, even pelinials set is not that great but I'm thinking what other sets to run?

I thought maybe run:

5 heavy
2 medium

Bone pirate
Pelinials
Kena or engine guardian

I need to see if monster sets proc in wolf (I think they do)

I know Krotha runs a build like 5 Pelinial, and some set where you Regen like 866 magicka a second and your sprint cost is reduced by 50%

Patrick Scott did a video on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd-8zJ1eMDg

Eshja · April 2017

There is a pvp guild on azura (PC-EU), they play only with werewolves... Maybe try to join them if it's your server, you could learn a lot from them. Unfortunately I don't know guild's name.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · April 2017

Eshja wrote: »

There is a pvp guild on azura (PC-EU), they play only with werewolves... Maybe try to join them if it's your server, you could learn a lot from them. Unfortunately I don't know guild's name.

I'm Xbox EU thanks though.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · April 2017

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Werewolves are rare in PVP, good ones are almost extinct until this one I versed the other day....

Now I'm very curious to what to run to be effective as a WW like this guy was.

To give info on how strong this wolf was and what he was running, The fight:

- Lasted over 10 mins in an open field
- the wolfs self heals (magicka ability) was very strong (like BoL on Templar) leading me to think he must've used pelinials.
- I was a stam heavy armoured DK in a strong setup, he could literally burst almost 20k of my health away instantly, plus I had his weakness - poison damage, despite this neither of us could kill each other although we both got close

- he had 33k health (must be in heavy)
- Was a stam temp
- duel wield and 2H

WW self heal put me off before, even pelinials set is not that great but I'm thinking what other sets to run?

I thought maybe run:

5 heavy
2 medium

Bone pirate
Pelinials
Kena or engine guardian

I need to see if monster sets proc in wolf (I think they do)

I know Krotha runs a build like 5 Pelinial, and some set where you Regen like 866 magicka a second and your sprint cost is reduced by 50%

Patrick Scott did a video on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd-8zJ1eMDg

Ohhgrizyyy wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Werewolves are rare in PVP, good ones are almost extinct until this one I versed the other day....

Now I'm very curious to what to run to be effective as a WW like this guy was.

To give info on how strong this wolf was and what he was running, The fight:

- Lasted over 10 mins in an open field
- the wolfs self heals (magicka ability) was very strong (like BoL on Templar) leading me to think he must've used pelinials.
- I was a stam heavy armoured DK in a strong setup, he could literally burst almost 20k of my health away instantly, plus I had his weakness - poison damage, despite this neither of us could kill each other although we both got close

- he had 33k health (must be in heavy)
- Was a stam temp
- duel wield and 2H

WW self heal put me off before, even pelinials set is not that great but I'm thinking what other sets to run?

I thought maybe run:

5 heavy
2 medium

Bone pirate
Pelinials
Kena or engine guardian

I need to see if monster sets proc in wolf (I think they do)

I know Krotha runs a build like 5 Pelinial, and some set where you Regen like 866 magicka a second and your sprint cost is reduced by 50%

Thanks for info, unfortunately I don't know any WW guilds ATM so I'd be a lone wolf, that build does look interesting though.

Definitely opening my eyes to new ideas.

geonsocal · April 2017

i love playing ww in pvp...i would definitely recommend at least five pieces heavy armor if you plan on using it though...

as soon as you transform it's like every player in the zone suddenly becomes some fearless werewolf killer - a lot of incoming damage and getting rooted a bunch...

never tried it, but, i have a feeling the warrior's fury set would work really well...personally i think black rose as a base works fantastic with the werewolf...

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · April 2017

geonsocal wrote: »

i love playing ww in pvp...i would definitely recommend at least five pieces heavy armor if you plan on using it though...

as soon as you transform it's like every player in the zone suddenly becomes some fearless werewolf killer - a lot of incoming damage and getting rooted a bunch...

never tried it, but, i have a feeling the warrior's fury set would work really well...personally i think black rose as a base works fantastic with the werewolf...

I had considered black rose with pelinials set.

Ghettokid · April 2017

What platform are you on? I mainly use my stamplar(my main character) for pvp:ing as WW and I am pretty good but would love to have few fellow wolves with me.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · April 2017

Ghettokid wrote: »

What platform are you on? I mainly use my stamplar(my main character) for pvp:ing as WW and I am pretty good but would love to have few fellow wolves with me.

Xbox EU.

Ghettokid · April 2017

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Ghettokid wrote: »

What platform are you on? I mainly use my stamplar(my main character) for pvp:ing as WW and I am pretty good but would love to have few fellow wolves with me.

Xbox EU.

Oh I'm also in EU but too bad I play on ps4.

geonsocal · April 2017

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

I had considered black rose with pelinials set.

why pelinials...one of the downsides of being a werewolf is that it doesn't really fit for magicka builds (I'm pretty certain though that someone, somewhere has figured out a way to make it work)...

the only magicka you need for a werewolf is for hircine's rage...

Lynx7386 · April 2017

Dreugh king slayer might be worth considering, since It would give you major brutality while in wolf form along with major expedition after every kill.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · April 2017

Ghettokid wrote: »

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Ghettokid wrote: »

What platform are you on? I mainly use my stamplar(my main character) for pvp:ing as WW and I am pretty good but would love to have few fellow wolves with me.

Xbox EU.

Oh I'm also in EU but too bad I play on ps4.

Yea that's a shame the wolf I versed was a stamplar, incredibly strong 1v1 it was.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · April 2017

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Dreugh king slayer might be worth considering, since It would give you major brutality while in wolf form along with major expedition after every kill.

One of the morphs give you major brutality in WW form. (The roar I think)

geonsocal · April 2017

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Dreugh king slayer might be worth considering, since It would give you major brutality while in wolf form along with major expedition after every kill.

that's the route I went with - dreugh king slayer and black rose...

just because of how costly (skill point wise) the ww ultimate is - you have to kind of gear things towards playing as a ww...

the irony of that being - transforming in PvP is very very situational...although you have your pounce ability - ww is usually best saved for close quarters fighting...

Ghettokid · April 2017

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Dreugh king slayer might be worth considering, since It would give you major brutality while in wolf form along with major expedition after every kill.

One of the morphs give you major brutality in WW form. (The roar I think)

Yep and so does hircines rage. Those two buffs also stack so I recommend choosing both of them. Even if the heal overtime might sound good it is useless, so better to pick major brutality buff instead.

hmsdragonfly · April 2017

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

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- the wolfs self heals (magicka ability) was very strong (like BoL on Templar) leading me to think he must've used pelinials.

100% Pelinals.

Chrlynsch · April 2017

Pelinal's is the true savior of werewolf, you get a great heal out of it with the synergy of savage beast, the rest of gear can be focused in damage.

The build Patrick Scott uses is best for pack focused open field play perma wolf play. Though can work for templars the best for human play. Would recommend shepherds to us this build, trollking, pelinal's, prisoners. Trick with this build is using its speed and mobility with a pack to hit hard and fall back, once you get caught in snares and roots it can be the end for the pack. Stay mobile, stay alive.

Another option is utilizing health regen with race passive, Try troll kings, Orgnum's Scales, and viper. This will make you a wrecking ball both out and in werewolf form. Strength of this build is it is essentially it's ability to focus on damage, as the two other sets set off really strong "passive" survivability, with this build you have very little few counters, as healing debuffs are ineffective.

Tommy_The_Gun · April 2017

Werewolf in PvP is only good as a tank. It is a "natural" taunt... everybody in range just start to focus on you... xD

brtomkin · April 2017

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Werewolf in PvP is only good as a tank. It is a "natural" taunt... everybody in range just start to focus on you... xD

I agree... which leads me to contribute my PVP werewolf build:

Troll King + Black Rose + Fasalla's Guile

1) Troll King alongside the extra magicka from tri-stat food results in good (not great) healing. I like Hircine's Fortitude because the weak HOT will proc Troll King... but, I am giving up the 10% Weapon Damage from Hircine's Rage.

2) Fasalla's Guile combined with Claws of Anguish virtually destroy's your opponents' healing capabilities. As stated above, werewolves are natural taunts for opposing players in PVP, and every one that hits you will be debuffed by Fasalla's Guile. Claws of Anguish is an AOE major defile - so, combined with Fasalla's Guile, you are debuffing 80% of opposing players' healing.

3) I like Black Rose for the balanced stats and resource return, but I see potential for running something like Orgnum's Scales, Fury, 7th Legion, or maybe even Trainee. Sometimes I get frustrated by the high ultimate cost, so I admit that sometimes I will swap in the Salvation set in place of Black Rose.

AnviOfVai · April 2017

I use black rose and Hide of the Werewolf Set with the blood spawn monster set.

for a tank build it works great, my werewolf is built to help out my team mates but to also make sure that I take most of the damage, (as someone said above as soon as you turn, everyone focuses on you, you become the taunt which is perfect for what I do

) I rely on the Werewolf to be my damage, when i'm tanking I can't do any

psychotic13 · April 2017

@Autolycus should be able to give you some insight, I recall him using pelinals on a WW build and having a lot of success with it.

Koolio · April 2017

My friend runs reactive and spriggans for the ability to see when you are Cced. I personally use hundings and toothrow. When you are near a keep you get that extra 10% stacked with blessed give me 10k plus heals. But that claws of life is crazy good for heals when out numbered

Autolycus · April 2017

I tried out a WW pvp build with Pelinels too, though it was before 1T when I did it. But lemme tell ya... I had a lot of fun with it. I got the idea from this guide. In the guide it is recommended to play as a Templar, but I took the build and ran with it on my Sorc instead. I loved it, have used to a number of times to tear apart Proxy Det zergballs, because while inside of WW form in that setup you are super tanky, good sustain, and moderate damage (less bursty in the setup I used, more of a wear 'em down approach). Outside of WW form you are basically a major harass build with average damage and executes. I think one of the highlights of how I used this build was the group support outside of WW form; using Encase on large groups of players when they're trying to coordinate an offensive typically puts a wrench in their gears.

Per the question in the OP, I would make use of 5/1/1 instead of 5H/2M personally, as the extra max stats (particularly magicka) will scale up damage and sustain (particularly the WW heal, but not exclusively). I'd also probably choose a different monster set. That guide recommended EG (at least back before it was nerfed); I think I'd go with something like Stormfist or Kragh now.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · April 2017

Autolycus wrote: »

I tried out a WW pvp build with Pelinels too, though it was before 1T when I did it. But lemme tell ya... I had a lot of fun with it. I got the idea from this guide. In the guide it is recommended to play as a Templar, but I took the build and ran with it on my Sorc instead. I loved it, have used to a number of times to tear apart Proxy Det zergballs, because while inside of WW form in that setup you are super tanky, good sustain, and moderate damage (less bursty in the setup I used, more of a wear 'em down approach). Outside of WW form you are basically a major harass build with average damage and executes. I think one of the highlights of how I used this build was the group support outside of WW form; using Encase on large groups of players when they're trying to coordinate an offensive typically puts a wrench in their gears.

Per the question in the OP, I would make use of 5/1/1 instead of 5H/2M personally, as the extra max stats (particularly magicka) will scale up damage and sustain (particularly the WW heal, but not exclusively). I'd also probably choose a different monster set. That guide recommended EG (at least back before it was nerfed); I think I'd go with something like Stormfist or Kragh now.

Yea ATM I'm running

5 pelinials
5 bone pirate
2 monster set (I'm trying different combos, I tried and liked stormfish it looks awesome).

I would like to use tri stat food but due to bone pirate I can't. I'm finding I really need the bone pirate so far.

I can burst people so fast, only downside is everyone targets you.
Which leads me to think fassilas might be good combined with 30% wolf debuff.
Only problem is I'm running into lots of stamplars and magplar (who will cleanse the effect).

Sovaso · April 2017

Just don't use it.

SneaK · April 2017

Fiord's can be fun as well

geonsocal · April 2017

brtomkin wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Werewolf in PvP is only good as a tank. It is a "natural" taunt... everybody in range just start to focus on you... xD

I agree... which leads me to contribute my PVP werewolf build:

Troll King + Black Rose + Fasalla's Guile

1) Troll King alongside the extra magicka from tri-stat food results in good (not great) healing. I like Hircine's Fortitude because the weak HOT will proc Troll King... but, I am giving up the 10% Weapon Damage from Hircine's Rage.

2) Fasalla's Guile combined with Claws of Anguish virtually destroy's your opponents' healing capabilities. As stated above, werewolves are natural taunts for opposing players in PVP, and every one that hits you will be debuffed by Fasalla's Guile. Claws of Anguish is an AOE major defile - so, combined with Fasalla's Guile, you are debuffing 80% of opposing players' healing.

3) I like Black Rose for the balanced stats and resource return, but I see potential for running something like Orgnum's Scales, Fury, 7th Legion, or maybe even Trainee. Sometimes I get frustrated by the high ultimate cost, so I admit that sometimes I will swap in the Salvation set in place of Black Rose.

really good stuff @brtomkin ...i hadn't ever thought of using fasallas guile/claws of anguish that way...thanks