Dear ESO+, it's you, not me.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · April 2017

Galwylin wrote: »

Astrid_V, thanks for that. Here I thought 2500 was high but it was 4500. I knew I remembered something being really very wrong about the price. Its shameful that it was so high that now their prices probably look decent.

That was the point of it.

Mounts typically cost around 900C to 1800C, stick one in at 4500C wait for everyone to complain and next time you stick a mount in at 3000C, especially if everyone is still salty about the 4500C mount, and everyone thinks "Hey ZOX listened to us, they dropped the mount prices by 33%" but what they really did was increase mount costs by at least 40%.

Bait and switch psychology.

All The Best

Zypheran · April 2017

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Galwylin wrote: »

Astrid_V, thanks for that. Here I thought 2500 was high but it was 4500. I knew I remembered something being really very wrong about the price. Its shameful that it was so high that now their prices probably look decent.

That was the point of it.

Mounts typically cost around 900C to 1800C, stick one in at 4500C wait for everyone to complain and next time you stick a mount in at 3000C, especially if everyone is still salty about the 4500C mount, and everyone thinks "Hey ZOX listened to us, they dropped the mount prices by 33%" but what they really did was increase mount costs by at least 40%.

Bait and switch psychology.

All The Best

I actually think that has been the whole point of recent pricing strategy by ZOS. Put out a few la-la-land prices for a while and then when you release something that is only moderately overpriced, people think they are getting a deal. I think the armoured battle cat back a couple of months ago was a good example. After the 4500 Elk mount, they brought out this battle cat for 2500 crowns and people were writing forum posts to thank ZOS for the pricing! Even though it was still a 40% increase from the usual 1800 crown mount.

ScytheNL · April 2017

Jitterbug wrote: »

mudcrab-strapped-to each-foot mount.

Mudcrab Segway?

Jitterbug · April 2017

ScytheNL wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

mudcrab-strapped-to each-foot mount.

Mudcrab Segway?

Dude, quickly. Go trademark that!

Banana · April 2017

MoTeets wrote: »

Empty your bag, send here !

Don't be gready. Id like some to.

HatchetHaro · April 2017

rynth wrote: »

Why do you people fill the need to post these things? If you don't like what is going on then just leave walk away.

It's called constructive criticism. Look it up.

Why do you feel the need to post these things? If you don't like what OP is talking about then just leave, walk away.

idk · April 2017

Odd how items like the crown crates have been popular in other games like they are here, though I do not buy them. Further, the monthly provided crowns for subscribing are not intended to go extremely far.

We are getting the value of our subscription rate in crowns. it would not make sense to provide 30 USD of crowns for only paying 15 USD every month.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but our opinions are just that. Zos listens and especially listens to their revenue the most.

Rickter · April 2017

what happened to you is called "Being Priced Out of the Game"

Games Workshop did that with their miniatures when they realized they'd make all their money on the books.

Kiralyn2000 · April 2017

<thinks back to some of the truly-"focussed on whales" games I've played before>

/eyeroll

Seriously, though - I made the mistake of playing an Aeria game a couple years back. Selling PvP power in the cash shop, a crafting/upgrade system that depended on cash shop consumables to succeed/not destroy your equipment, $5 lockboxes with super-low chances of actually getting the good prize, $25+ costumes.... and to top it off, a monthly "if you spend $X, get prize Y" contest with prize tiers going up to $1500+. And then there were the Perfect World games - they had some pretty vicious costs on mounts, plus BiS pvp gear in lockboxes. Amonng other things.

DMuehlhausen · April 2017

I stopped after the first paragraph...ESO+ doesn't have the same value as it use to? Are you nuts...the crafting bag alone is worth the 15$/month. Now we will be getting double the bank space...I mean come on.

Alchemical · April 2017

I remember when mounts where usually between 1300 and 1500. Then then Wrothgar happened and the bear was 1800, but hey it's an all new model so that's ok. And gradually it crept up over time, cycling out the old mounts that were affordable, till that hideous dro-M'atha mount came out for $40 flipping dollars.

When you see 'free 1500 crowns' and can say "I can buy a new mount every month, I can't get those in game" it makes them seem more valuable. When you see free 1500 crowns and see in the store "I can use these to buy werewolf bites... that I can get in game for free" it does seem like a paltry sum indeed.

jircris11 · April 2017

Galwylin wrote: »

rynth wrote: »

Why do you people fill the need to post these things? If you don't like what is going on then just leave walk away.

I thought ZOS might like some feedback? I dunno. Why do people post these things? Its not like I demanded you read it. I was careful to directly address them. Its not a "I'm quitting" rant. Its a "Hey, you're missing out on some money because of XYZ" rant.

And yes, I know its long and some won't read it.

As someone who plays tons of mmos from Paid to free I have to say eso is by far the more reasonably priced. Swtor prices are insane f2p games you can't even touch the shop most of the time and games like bdo are crazy, BDO for example charges 20-40 buck for a costume that only works on ONE class. The issue with all of this is not zos or the cash shop, is the new aged gaming community. Most are overly entitled, I mean look at all the QQ posts on here. Now i do get where you are coming from OP but if you think these are bad avoid any other mmo.

Malakor · April 2017

I use 60 day subscription cards to pay for my subscription. They are $29.99, I get 3000 crowns when I use them; purchasing 3000 crowns by themselves is usually $24.99. Therefore, I look at it as paying $2.50 a month for my subscription.

Now, I agree with the OP that many of the items in the crown store are priced much higher than I am willing to pay for them on a regular basis. I wound up purchasing a house (furnished) using crowns, and frankly, would sell it back to ZoS if that were an option. I have visited that house a total of maybe six times between all of my characters, because it serves no real function. I did purchase it in the hopes that eventually more functionality will be added to houses. Not the first time I have wasted money, shall likely not be the last.

For me, I feel that my subscription is giving me my moneys worth (and then some), in that I get access to all of the DLC's; I like the craft bag, it keeps me from having to return to the bank every five minutes (I tend to take anything that is not nailed down); and I get hours of enjoyment from the game. Some will not feel that way, each of us will likely have a different opinion and each opinion is valid.

Illurian · April 2017

Excuse you, the Elk was 4500 crowns, not 2500.

DDemon · April 2017

Casterial wrote: »

Smepic wrote: »

rynth wrote: »

Why do you people fill the need to post these things? If you don't like what is going on then just leave walk away.

@rynth

Kindly leave this forum. A forum is meant for people to address and discuss their concerns, amongst other subjects. The OP's argument is that crown store prices are too high, and although I won't quit or cancel my ESO Plus membership – I agree.

ESO prices will continue to raise and most likely wont lower. I mean yes things like a seller for $60 is crazy! But, this keeps the game going... So I don't really complain about it. I only subscribe for all the DLC when I need it, or when my inventory needs space and I need crafting access.

Which is silly, because, including me, a lot of people would most likely buy more of the crown store items if the prices were lower.

Due to the insane prices of mounts/houses and other 'vanity' items, I just choose to pass up on them.

Can you imagine how many more character race change tokens they would sell if they were even half the price of what they are now? At the moment it makes more sense to just make a new character choosing the race you want, with the exception of maybe your main that holds all the achievements and/or research.

Acharnor · April 2017

Personally I rarely buy anything from the Crown Store b/c I don't like the prices. I'd buy more if it seemed more reasonable and hence buy more crowns. Now I am a meiser hoarding them away. Well that is till I bought that nice house. But it was so nice.

Cryptical · April 2017

rynth wrote: »

Why do you people fill the need to post these things? If you don't like what is going on then just leave walk away.

All companies want feedback.

A customer that departs without giving feedback leaves the company wondering what happened, and eradicates the opportunity for the company to change course.

Simply walking away in silence is the absolute worst way to complain.

AFrostWolf · April 2017

rynth wrote: »

Why do you people fill the need to post these things? If you don't like what is going on then just leave walk away.

It's called feedback.

Callous2208 · April 2017

I save up crowns and buy things that I really like. Mostly 500c costumes and things. I never purchase things I can get playing the game or with in game gold because frankly that's just silly. I'm not big on mounts, especially special ones that seem a bit pricey, but if one did catch my eye, I would have the crowns saved to snag it. If not, I'd pass or buy crowns. The sub holds more value now to me than it ever did, with the craft bag addition. After years of experiencing different mmo subs and cash stores, I find ESO's to be one of the best models. If you're the type of person that just has to have every costume and mount that shows up, sub crowns won't be enough but that's not the games fault. Have a little self restraint or buy more crowns and go wild. Eso can't just continue to raise the monthly crown allotment because you want all the pretty things and run out of crowns too fast. I disagree that the value of that 1500 has gone down due to increasing cs prices. There have always been overpriced limited items. Now there are just more to choose from.

idk · April 2017

jircris11 wrote: »

Galwylin wrote: »

rynth wrote: »

Why do you people fill the need to post these things? If you don't like what is going on then just leave walk away.

I thought ZOS might like some feedback? I dunno. Why do people post these things? Its not like I demanded you read it. I was careful to directly address them. Its not a "I'm quitting" rant. Its a "Hey, you're missing out on some money because of XYZ" rant.

And yes, I know its long and some won't read it.

As someone who plays tons of mmos from Paid to free I have to say eso is by far the more reasonably priced. Swtor prices are insane f2p games you can't even touch the shop most of the time and games like bdo are crazy, BDO for example charges 20-40 buck for a costume that only works on ONE class. The issue with all of this is not zos or the cash shop, is the new aged gaming community. Most are overly entitled, I mean look at all the QQ posts on here. Now i do get where you are coming from OP but if you think these are bad avoid any other mmo.

^^^. This . . . And I think OP is done with this thread since it has to be clear his thoughts are not widely shared.

KingKush · April 2017

rynth wrote: »

Why do you people fill the need to post these things? If you don't like what is going on then just leave walk away.

The irony in this comment. You clearly didn't think this one through.

Alchemical · April 2017

Callous2208 wrote: »

There have always been overpriced limited items. Now there are just more to choose from.

You really can't make the argument that there's more to choose from when items only stay in the store for 3 days and then vanish forever. The prices of mounts have more than doubled and you have hours to purchase them if you want them. That's not even enough time to get a pay day loan, much less get paid.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · April 2017

jircris11 wrote: »

As someone who plays tons of mmos from Paid to free I have to say eso is by far the more reasonably priced. Swtor prices are insane f2p games you can't even touch the shop most of the time and games like bdo are crazy, BDO for example charges 20-40 buck for a costume that only works on ONE class. The issue with all of this is not zos or the cash shop, is the new aged gaming community. Most are overly entitled, I mean look at all the QQ posts on here. Now i do get where you are coming from OP but if you think these are bad avoid any other mmo.

Just to settle a myth.

In terms of real cash spent to "product bought" ratios - SWTOR is tons CHEAPER than ESO. I have 4 maxed out Strongholds in SWTOR - and collectively they cost marginally more than the ONE house I have in ESO.

SWTOR has a ton of things wrong with it right now; but anyone who thinks that convenience/cosmetic item in SWTOR are more costly than in ESO is - frankly - delusional, or has never actually played SWTOR.

All The Best

Callous2208 · April 2017

Alchemical wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

There have always been overpriced limited items. Now there are just more to choose from.

You really can't make the argument that there's more to choose from when items only stay in the store for 3 days and then vanish forever. The prices of mounts have more than doubled and you have hours to purchase them if you want them. That's not even enough time to get a pay day loan, much less get paid.

I suppose frequency would have been a better word to use. As things pop up more often. But that's what limited is and that's why it costs what it does. I don't live paycheck to paycheck and if I did, I wouldn't be considering a loan or spending what I did have on pixels I couldn't afford. As I said before, save up your crowns, buy what you like. If you like everything every month, that's on you and you're gonna have to hit up the crown packs more often. The sub is not 14.99 a month so you can pick up every item that drops in the store. That's not listed as one of the perks.

Callous2208 · April 2017

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

As someone who plays tons of mmos from Paid to free I have to say eso is by far the more reasonably priced. Swtor prices are insane f2p games you can't even touch the shop most of the time and games like bdo are crazy, BDO for example charges 20-40 buck for a costume that only works on ONE class. The issue with all of this is not zos or the cash shop, is the new aged gaming community. Most are overly entitled, I mean look at all the QQ posts on here. Now i do get where you are coming from OP but if you think these are bad avoid any other mmo.

Just to settle a myth.

In terms of real cash spent to "product bought" ratios - SWTOR is tons CHEAPER than ESO. I have 4 maxed out Strongholds in SWTOR - and collectively they cost marginally more than the ONE house I have in ESO.

SWTOR has a ton of things wrong with it right now; but anyone who thinks that convenience/cosmetic item in SWTOR are more costly than in ESO is - frankly - delusional, or has never actually played SWTOR.

All The Best

In my short time with swtor I found that they can get away with these cheaper prices because you simply have to sub to effectively play their game. And once subbed, it is in one's best interest to purchase most things from the store to both use and sell on the market for in game cash. From what I saw there were cheaper items but the need to buy and buy more was evident. Just one man's opinion.

Kiralyn2000 · April 2017

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

As someone who plays tons of mmos from Paid to free I have to say eso is by far the more reasonably priced. Swtor prices are insane f2p games you can't even touch the shop most of the time and games like bdo are crazy, BDO for example charges 20-40 buck for a costume that only works on ONE class. The issue with all of this is not zos or the cash shop, is the new aged gaming community. Most are overly entitled, I mean look at all the QQ posts on here. Now i do get where you are coming from OP but if you think these are bad avoid any other mmo.

Just to settle a myth.

In terms of real cash spent to "product bought" ratios - SWTOR is tons CHEAPER than ESO. I have 4 maxed out Strongholds in SWTOR - and collectively they cost marginally more than the ONE house I have in ESO.

SWTOR has a ton of things wrong with it right now; but anyone who thinks that convenience/cosmetic item in SWTOR are more costly than in ESO is - frankly - delusional, or has never actually played SWTOR.

All The Best

Yes, SWTOR's Collection & Costume system is nice.

On the other hand. ESO doesn't charge you to use all of the UI, to Hide Helmet, to color your armor, to equip high-quality gear, to run more dungeons/raids/etc in a week, to be able to afford anything in the auction house (i.e. laughably low currency cap), and so on...

SWTOR may to a lot of things well, but it's F2P system is amazingly punitive - it piles huge amounts of inconvenience onto people in order to "strongly encourage" them to sub. ESO just buries you in loot so that the craft bag seems like a huge bonus.

(And yes, I played SWTOR for three months subbed.... and about a week after my sub ran out.)

MaxwellC · April 2017

I love when people have the audacity to post about why the OP is giving feedback, like seriously mate just gtfo. That's one thing that really irritates me as if your voice isn't needed or shouldn't be heard so don't make a post kind of implied statement.

Great post for the OP here, I too got rid of my ESO+ because I didn't really see a good benefit other than the craft bag and 1500 crowns monthly which you pointed out doesn't go very long with the prices. I've suggested things like 15% (1% per dollar in a way) off of every item in the store as a loyalty bonus for those who've subbed for 3 months or so. I felt that would definitely keep players subbed alongside adding other things to make it more appealing.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · April 2017

Callous2208 wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

As someone who plays tons of mmos from Paid to free I have to say eso is by far the more reasonably priced. Swtor prices are insane f2p games you can't even touch the shop most of the time and games like bdo are crazy, BDO for example charges 20-40 buck for a costume that only works on ONE class. The issue with all of this is not zos or the cash shop, is the new aged gaming community. Most are overly entitled, I mean look at all the QQ posts on here. Now i do get where you are coming from OP but if you think these are bad avoid any other mmo.

Just to settle a myth.

In terms of real cash spent to "product bought" ratios - SWTOR is tons CHEAPER than ESO. I have 4 maxed out Strongholds in SWTOR - and collectively they cost marginally more than the ONE house I have in ESO.

SWTOR has a ton of things wrong with it right now; but anyone who thinks that convenience/cosmetic item in SWTOR are more costly than in ESO is - frankly - delusional, or has never actually played SWTOR.

All The Best

In my short time with swtor I found that they can get away with these cheaper prices because you simply have to sub to effectively play their game. And once subbed, it is in one's best interest to purchase most things from the store to both use and sell on the market for in game cash. From what I saw there were cheaper items but the need to buy and buy more was evident. Just one man's opinion.

I subbed for a long time, then when I chose not to sub I used my stockpiled CC to buy the unlocks so I was effectively playing as a Sub. But I do concede your point for newer players to the game - the need to Sub or to pay to Unlock Sub Features is quite high - but at least they permit that. In ESO a non-Sub can not unlock a Craft Bag or the ability to dye costumes.

So it is little bit of give and take.

All The Best

ZOS_Ragnar · April 2017

We have closed this thread. Quitting threads like this have a tendency to go downhill quickly. This thread has so far remained civil but as a rule we do not leave this type of thread open.