Will removal of warlord and magician kill heavy armor sustain?

LuminaLilly · April 2017

Will it?

Anhedonie · April 2017

I hope so.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · April 2017

It might kill some heavy builds that run no sustain sets and go for pure damage. But everyone is just going to run bone pirate + the new drink on jewelry and weapons so you should be able to sustain fine in with a damage heavy set added to that.

The champion system cannot be fixed. It needs to be either revamped completely or removed for PvP. Let PvE keep it. Heavy armor wasn't a pve mets, Mobs don't complain about balance, and people like their meaningless vertical progression too much.

BigBragg · April 2017

Depends on the build at sets.

Bam_Bam · April 2017

Dunno. don't use it on Azura

mtwiggz · April 2017

No

Doubtful. People will be creative with sustain + HA sets. I'm sure there's already people out there drooling over spreadsheets trying to figure out the BiS gear and CP for the change.

Strider_Roshin · April 2017

No

Actually if you consider the whole picture, heavy armor is getting buffed. All armor types utilized the cost reduction; however, the regen passives were utilized by MA/LA which has not only been reduced by 10%, but now there's a new passive that reduces your opponent's regen.

Meaning, next update heavy armor will be relatively stronger than it is now.

bitels · April 2017

No

Heavy armor is still strong when used in Azura's Star

SnubbS · April 2017

No

It makes Heavy even better.

xeNNNNN · April 2017

No

bitels wrote: »

Heavy armor is still strong when used in Azura's Star

yup, mag dk specifically is disgusting in there as well due to nobody having any fire damage/magic damage resist.

tbh all the alls the sustain lot in pvp need to do is run either witch mothers for magicka or camoran for stamina and it'll be almost like nothing happened lol

Key word: "almost" the cost issues will be noticeable in all spectrums tbh.

IcyDeadPeople · April 2017

No

No, I imagine heavy armor will still have relatively high sustain and high resistances with very little tradeoff.

At this point, medium and light armor need slight buffs to bring them into balance with heavy.

Anti_Virus · April 2017

Yes

Yes but seeing that most people have an unfathomable rage and want a full on crusade against heavy armor it be damned.

wolfxspice · April 2017

maybe, they really just need to buff light and medium

Kay1 · April 2017

Yes

mtwiggz wrote: »

Doubtful. People will be creative with sustain + HA sets. I'm sure there's already people out there drooling over spreadsheets trying to figure out the BiS gear and CP for the change.

Already done it and no, after a loooooooooooot of tries Heavy Armor is completely dead, especially for 1vX.

It will be useful only for Battlegrounds and to support.

leepalmer95 · April 2017

No

CP is part of the problem but there are others which allow these 600 regen tanks.

Constitution giving both stamina and magicka is what allows stam dk/ stam sorc to run around with 600 regen because they convert magicka into stam.

Stupid skills like dark deal which give far to much resources for literally no risk.

Vipstaakki · April 2017

No

Warlord and Magician were never critical parts of the heavy armor sustain.

olsborg · April 2017

No

Heavy armor is awesomesauce now, and will still be after morrowind, unless they nerf it somehow, wich in all honesty is needed as light and medium armor is *** compared to heavy.

Father_X_Zombie · April 2017

Hopefully

Rohamad_Ali · April 2017

I have no idea and lost interest in ever seeing balance to this games PVP . I really believe will all my heart it will never get sorted because the people in charge won't change . For me it's an exercise in futility boarder lining on insanity to even waste a breath of criticism or constructive input . Nothing resembling a decent well thought out idea has ever been considered and most of the time something objectively opposite occurs . I would rather watch documentaries on insect mating rituals then ever in forever bother caring about anything as completely broken and hopeless as PVP balance in eso .

Brrrofski · April 2017

My Stam DK running fury and werewolf hide will be fine. My stamplar using ravager and bone pirate will be fine.ight have to slot repentance... Stam sorcs will be fine because dark deal is broken op. Magica dk will be ok. Magica templar will be ok because I don't remember the last time I saw one that wasn't just spaming bol while blocking. My saptank will be ok. Might have to swap 1 glyph to reduce cost, but may not have to.

Shame really, I want it to go back to light/medium.

Jitterbug · April 2017

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I would rather watch documentaries on insect mating rituals then ever in forever bother caring about anything as completely broken and hopeless as PVP balance in eso .

I would rather...

Crash my bicycle into a barbecue than...

Keep em coming!

Torbschka · April 2017

I would rather see ha slightly nerfed, if they buff light armor have fun with mag sorcs if u dont know how to play vs them

Shadow_Viper_vX · April 2017

No

It will hopefully finally make things more balanced

Cinbri · April 2017

No

It would kill it before as it was before CP system and sets/skills rebalance, HA buff, tho was reason why noone could play it nor in pve, nor in pvp. Now, it will make HA balanced to other armor types and not easy mode.

Vipstaakki wrote: »

Warlord and Magician were never critical parts of the heavy armor sustain.

It was "critial parts" since day one till CP system. Such claims just show how bad people at understanding balance.

LuminaLilly · April 2017

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

It might kill some heavy builds that run no sustain sets and go for pure damage. But everyone is just going to run bone pirate + the new drink on jewelry and weapons so you should be able to sustain fine in with a damage heavy set added to that.

The champion system cannot be fixed. It needs to be either revamped completely or removed for PvP. Let PvE keep it. Heavy armor wasn't a pve mets, Mobs don't complain about balance, and people like their meaningless vertical progression too much.

Bone pirate and bsw meta

EldritchPenguin · April 2017

No

I don't think heavy armor builds will even notice. PvE Magicka Dragonknights, however, will be utterly unplayable if you want good DPS. They're going straight to the bottom of the bin.

D0ntevenL1ft · April 2017

Yes

leepalmer95 wrote: »

CP is part of the problem but there are others which allow these 600 regen tanks.

Constitution giving both stamina and magicka is what allows stam dk/ stam sorc to run around with 600 regen because they convert magicka into stam.

Stupid skills like dark deal which give far to much resources for literally no risk.

This lol switched from my stam DK to building a stam sorc and the resource management is so ridiculously easy i just stacked fully proc'd weapon damage to 4700 at 600 regen. Not to mention the mobility is to die for on a stam sorc.

Zvorgin · April 2017

No

Kay1 wrote: »

mtwiggz wrote: »

Doubtful. People will be creative with sustain + HA sets. I'm sure there's already people out there drooling over spreadsheets trying to figure out the BiS gear and CP for the change.

Already done it and no, after a loooooooooooot of tries Heavy Armor is completely dead, especially for 1vX.

It will be useful only for Battlegrounds and to support.

Disagree. I already dropped all the cost reduction CPs and have no issues sustaining in heavy armor. 10% loss on magicka regen can easily be made up elsewhere.

Rickter · April 2017

I see alot of responses for PvP. I think it will solve a lot of the HA PvP cancer builds but from a PvE perspective, resource management is going to be a nightmare. I switched to stam at the start of the homestead patch and I have run VDSA three times since and every time i have had a hard time adjusting.

I cant spam talons, chains, inhale, help with dps via whips, dragonblood frivolously, shield frivolously etc.

speaking as a DK of course.

and this is with 31k hp, 30k stam and 18k mag

so take away the sustain of CP, as a stam tank, its going to me more of an adjustment.

Lynx7386 · April 2017

All these people wanting heavy armor nerfs... jeez, have you do quickly forgotten that constitution and wrath were already nerfed not two patches ago?

Heavy is fine, stop trying to destroy it just because it can survive your glass cannon gank builds, that's what it was designed to do.

As for the champion changes, I don't think it will kill heavy but it may make sustain sets more valuable, especially sets like black rose.

leepalmer95 · April 2017

No

Lynx7386 wrote: »

All these people wanting heavy armor nerfs... jeez, have you do quickly forgotten that constitution and wrath were already nerfed not two patches ago?

Heavy is fine, stop trying to destroy it just because it can survive your glass cannon gank builds, that's what it was designed to do.

As for the champion changes, I don't think it will kill heavy but it may make sustain sets more valuable, especially sets like black rose.

The majority of pvp is in heavy, if heavy was balanced this wouldn't be the case.

Constitution should give stamina or magicka, not both. That'll help stop the perma block healbot and the 600 regen full dmg setups.

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