Whats the big deal over the crown sales? Don't give in!

Phinix1 · April 2017

Balamoor wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

ZOS hasn't released anything good in the crown store since ever. The only good items in the store now is in the crown crates. ZOS refuses to release all of the good items in the crown crates back into the regular store because most people tolerate their greed lust of $$$$$ and actually support Crown crates by continuing to buy them. This thought alone breaks my heart because deep inside I actually love this game, but ZOS has turned this game into their lactating milk cow. Instead of improving the game by taking the suggestions of loyal fans at heart... they keep ruining the game by throwing more RNG crap onto us.

So..... you guys got your crown sales.... GREAT! I just hope that with enough money (I guess the 500 million dollars that they've won from Facebook wasn't enough) ZOS can finally be motivated to finally fix the damn group finder bug that is ruining PVE including other issues that people are ignoring these days because their so worried about another lousy crown sales.

Just because you posted I'm going to buy another $100.00 worth.

Anything to trigger the cat cultist.

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

You complain a lot..

Yep it's almost like he's paid to do so.

LOL dude what do you have against PAWS? Every time I see you on these forums it is to post some hateful flame about them. The OP doesn't even have it in his sig.

I think your angst is misplaced.

EDIT: Stupid auto correct is stupid.

alexkdd99 · April 2017

I always find it odd that some people feel the need to tell others how to spend their money. You spend yours how you like and I will do the same. I happen to like the crates and feel I actually get a better deal by buying crates than straight out buying things from the crown store.

As long as you are ok with getting anything from the crate you will end up with a good deal. People can spend their money however they choose, after all it is their money.

Alot of people really enjoy the crown sales. They don't have to give us crown sales and they definitely don't have to give us 40% off. Which is why anyone who likes to buy things from the crown sale is happy they are giving us such a great deal. And it really is an awesome deal if you are into the crown store.

I think I will go buy a couple 15 packs of crates since my crown gem supply is down to about 500.

Voxicity · April 2017

Stocked up on crowns, sitting at 22k now, and my 6 month sub crowns will come through by June. Should last me til the next sale and cover 20 or so dwemer crown crates

idk · April 2017

code65536 wrote: »

The OP is just salty that ZOS ignored his request for a P2W crown store.

Omg. I missed that.

So we wants trial gear and monster sets added to the crown store. (P2W)

He wants them sold for gold, not crowns. He restated that for emphasis.

He's willing to pay 1000 gold for each set. Wow. 5 PC VO for only 1k gold.

That's solid business sense right there.

Quoted the OP for everyone's convenience

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

It wouldn't be such a bad idea to add in trial/dungeon/monster sets into the crown store.... particularly the high demand sets such as Infallible aether and VO.

I'm willing to spend 1000 gold each for a set, of course... gold

Kodrac · April 2017

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Balamoor · April 2017

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

You complain a lot..

KaiVox22 wrote: »

Stocked up on crowns, sitting at 22k now, and my 6 month sub crowns will come through by June. Should last me til the next sale and cover 20 or so dwemer crown crates

You sir or Madam are a smart buyer..... I salute you. I'm about at 33K now, which is actually a bit down even after I replenished them. I am thinking about switching over to six month as well, it's a nice windfall every six months.

STEVIL · April 2017

After explaining to fraud prevention that the multiple purchases of same value from same place right after another were not errors, I got the rest of my crowns this am.

This OP makes me wanna go buy another 55,000 crowns.

DMuehlhausen · April 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

ZOS hasn't released anything good in the crown store since ever. The only good items in the store now is in the crown crates. ZOS refuses to release all of the good items in the crown crates back into the regular store because most people tolerate their greed lust of $$$$$ and actually support Crown crates by continuing to buy them. This thought alone breaks my heart because deep inside I actually love this game, but ZOS has turned this game into their lactating milk cow. Instead of improving the game by taking the suggestions of loyal fans at heart... they keep ruining the game by throwing more RNG crap onto us.

So..... you guys got your crown sales.... GREAT! I just hope that with enough money (I guess the 500 million dollars that they've won from Facebook wasn't enough) ZOS can finally be motivated to finally fix the damn group finder bug that is ruining PVE including other issues that people are ignoring these days because their so worried about another lousy crown sales.

To you they haven't released anything good....maybe other people love what they have put out. So go back and sit down and let people spend their money the way they want.

rotaugen454 · April 2017

Ya know what, you can buy EVERY furnished home in the game (assuming around 17K for the island) for around 230K crowns.

ADarklore · April 2017

I bought 4/5500 Crown Packs today, will be buying another 8/5500 packs by the end of the sale.

Uriel_Nocturne · April 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

ZOS hasn't released anything good in the crown store since ever. The only good items in the store now is in the crown crates. ZOS refuses to release all of the good items in the crown crates back into the regular store because most people tolerate their greed lust of $$$$$ and actually support Crown crates by continuing to buy them. This thought alone breaks my heart because deep inside I actually love this game, but ZOS has turned this game into their lactating milk cow. Instead of improving the game by taking the suggestions of loyal fans at heart... they keep ruining the game by throwing more RNG crap onto us.

So..... you guys got your crown sales.... GREAT! I just hope that with enough money (I guess the 500 million dollars that they've won from Facebook wasn't enough) ZOS can finally be motivated to finally fix the damn group finder bug that is ruining PVE including other issues that people are ignoring these days because their so worried about another lousy crown sales.

I really quit reading after the bolded sentence.

So, I went and bought three additional 5500 Crown Packs just to *** this guy off.

Because, you know; the Gods forbid I support a game and company I enjoy with a bit of financial support... Oh, OP, I almost forgot!!!

I also subscribe to the game, so now I have well over 16.5k+ Crowns on my account. I hope you enjoy your thread, OP. You prompted me to give ZOS even more money, and I don't regret it one bit.

By the Gods... I love Crown sales!!!

idk · April 2017

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Ya know what, you can buy EVERY furnished home in the game (assuming around 17K for the island) for around 230K crowns.

Good to know. Thx. I want it all.

raidentenshu_ESO · April 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

The @raidentenshu_ESO

His much anyone spends on crowns or how they spend it is irrelevant to you. It's their game and their money to choose to do as they wish.

Further, your continued statement about the money Zos parent company won in a lawsuit somehow should be enough for Zos merely demonstrates you have a major lack of knowledge of business in general. Certainly glad your not the. Haines manager for any of the Zenimax companies.

Are you speaking English to me? I didn't quite understand your first sentence. First off Elder scrolls Online is our game. There is consequences in which can happen if certain activities are deem appropriate base on the players decision. Is this what we want the Elder scrolls online to turn into? A giant size RNG? Is bad enough that we have to spend months trying to farm for BIS gear in trials/dungeons. Whatever happen to the idea that I can use my money for crowns to purchase an item that I want? Once the transaction is finalized I can obtain the item that I want? Isn't that how the world works, huh? Instead now these days If you want that flashy apex mount you must gamble away your crowns for crates in which there is no guarantee of such item.

As far as my lack of knowledge of business in general. Might I let you know that I'm self employed. I'm into resales and now planning on going into the business of Nurseries & Gardening. Yes I operate my own business in the comfort of my own home. Had I treated my clients the way ZOS treats their players I would be out of business for sure because RL non gaming people would not put up such garbage. Gaming companies can get away with murder these days.

@raidentenshu_ESO

Most people can read through the one misspelled word. I'll restate it better to help you out.

How much someone spends on crowns and how the spend it is irrelevant to you.

Hope that helps.

Second, Zos has a vested interest on working on game content itself. They know well that they must be able to keep player interest for anything else they do to matter.

Running a small business doesn't really mean you have a broad knowledge of business. Many operate small businesses but it is really their trade they know and not so much the busisness aspect. Your statements concerning the lawsuit clearly indicates you have much to learn about business and are certainly not qualified for management on the business side of a company the size of Zos and especially Zenimax. No doubt there.

Oh. Typing on my phone so I expect a few typos. If you truly run a business I trust you'll be able to figure it out.

As a small business owner at least I know how to keep my costumers happy by producing actual products for them to enjoy, and not pull off a sleazy RNG garbage on them

At least I produce them with human email contact (Not the automatic crap) including actual voice.Thats enough for me to have business knowledge.

My business way of managing my own business has been putting food on the table, paying my bills and taxes, and not to mention supporting my entertainment habits. I must know something in business that's keeping me from living on the streets.

In the business world the costumers are always right. If theirs an issue with a product that I sell then it's my responsibly to fix things and to provide the service for that costumer.... even if it's minor

Slurg · April 2017

How many crowns does it take to fix the group finder bug? 500 million? I lost track of what was going on in that post. Still trying to figure out what one has to do with the other, and more importantly, how many crowns I want to buy.

Uriel_Nocturne · April 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

The @raidentenshu_ESO

His much anyone spends on crowns or how they spend it is irrelevant to you. It's their game and their money to choose to do as they wish.

Further, your continued statement about the money Zos parent company won in a lawsuit somehow should be enough for Zos merely demonstrates you have a major lack of knowledge of business in general. Certainly glad your not the. Haines manager for any of the Zenimax companies.

Are you speaking English to me? I didn't quite understand your first sentence. First off Elder scrolls Online is our game. There is consequences in which can happen if certain activities are deem appropriate base on the players decision. Is this what we want the Elder scrolls online to turn into? A giant size RNG? Is bad enough that we have to spend months trying to farm for BIS gear in trials/dungeons. Whatever happen to the idea that I can use my money for crowns to purchase an item that I want? Once the transaction is finalized I can obtain the item that I want? Isn't that how the world works, huh? Instead now these days If you want that flashy apex mount you must gamble away your crowns for crates in which there is no guarantee of such item.

As far as my lack of knowledge of business in general. Might I let you know that I'm self employed. I'm into resales and now planning on going into the business of Nurseries & Gardening. Yes I operate my own business in the comfort of my own home. Had I treated my clients the way ZOS treats their players I would be out of business for sure because RL non gaming people would not put up such garbage. Gaming companies can get away with murder these days.

@raidentenshu_ESO

Most people can read through the one misspelled word. I'll restate it better to help you out.

How much someone spends on crowns and how the spend it is irrelevant to you.

Hope that helps.

Second, Zos has a vested interest on working on game content itself. They know well that they must be able to keep player interest for anything else they do to matter.

Running a small business doesn't really mean you have a broad knowledge of business. Many operate small businesses but it is really their trade they know and not so much the busisness aspect. Your statements concerning the lawsuit clearly indicates you have much to learn about business and are certainly not qualified for management on the business side of a company the size of Zos and especially Zenimax. No doubt there.

Oh. Typing on my phone so I expect a few typos. If you truly run a business I trust you'll be able to figure it out.

As a small business owner at least I know how to keep my costumers happy by producing actual products for them to enjoy...
...In the business world the costumers are always right. If theirs an issue with a product that I sell then it's my responsibly to fix things and to provide the service for that costumer.... even if it's minor

In reference to the bold sentence; Economics 101 says that this statement is demonstrably false.

That train of thought has been the financial ruin of more businesses than it has helped to grow. The Customer is in all actuality, NOT always right.

idk · April 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

The @raidentenshu_ESO

His much anyone spends on crowns or how they spend it is irrelevant to you. It's their game and their money to choose to do as they wish.

Further, your continued statement about the money Zos parent company won in a lawsuit somehow should be enough for Zos merely demonstrates you have a major lack of knowledge of business in general. Certainly glad your not the. Haines manager for any of the Zenimax companies.

Are you speaking English to me? I didn't quite understand your first sentence. First off Elder scrolls Online is our game. There is consequences in which can happen if certain activities are deem appropriate base on the players decision. Is this what we want the Elder scrolls online to turn into? A giant size RNG? Is bad enough that we have to spend months trying to farm for BIS gear in trials/dungeons. Whatever happen to the idea that I can use my money for crowns to purchase an item that I want? Once the transaction is finalized I can obtain the item that I want? Isn't that how the world works, huh? Instead now these days If you want that flashy apex mount you must gamble away your crowns for crates in which there is no guarantee of such item.

As far as my lack of knowledge of business in general. Might I let you know that I'm self employed. I'm into resales and now planning on going into the business of Nurseries & Gardening. Yes I operate my own business in the comfort of my own home. Had I treated my clients the way ZOS treats their players I would be out of business for sure because RL non gaming people would not put up such garbage. Gaming companies can get away with murder these days.

@raidentenshu_ESO

Most people can read through the one misspelled word. I'll restate it better to help you out.

How much someone spends on crowns and how the spend it is irrelevant to you.

Hope that helps.

Second, Zos has a vested interest on working on game content itself. They know well that they must be able to keep player interest for anything else they do to matter.

Running a small business doesn't really mean you have a broad knowledge of business. Many operate small businesses but it is really their trade they know and not so much the busisness aspect. Your statements concerning the lawsuit clearly indicates you have much to learn about business and are certainly not qualified for management on the business side of a company the size of Zos and especially Zenimax. No doubt there.

Oh. Typing on my phone so I expect a few typos. If you truly run a business I trust you'll be able to figure it out.

As a small business owner at least I know how to keep my costumers happy by producing actual products for them to enjoy, and not pull off a sleazy RNG garbage on them At least I produce them with human email contact (Not the automatic crap) including actual voice.Thats enough for me to have business knowledge.

My business way of managing my own business has been putting food on the table, paying my bills and taxes, and not to mention supporting my entertainment habits. I must know something in business that's keeping me from living on the streets.

In the business world the costumers are always right. If theirs an issue with a product that I sell then it's my responsibly to fix things and to provide the service for that costumer.... even if it's minor

Clearly your not reading posts in your own thread, except mine is some attempt to try to validate yourself with me. I hope you read your customers better than this.

Have a good day.

MissBizz · April 2017

DocFrost72 wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

ZOS hasn't released anything good in the crown store since ever.

Stopped reading right there. Going to buy crowns now, as well. Always buy 5500 on a sale, personally.

I most definitely bought more than 5500.

But yeah, is there *less* I'm interested in since crown crates? Yeah, but that was Zos' doing. I wasn't very picky and had to have it all before... now, I can't have it all.. so I'm a lot more picky over what I purchase.

I definitely still see stuff I want to purchase though.

rotaugen454 · April 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

The @raidentenshu_ESO

His much anyone spends on crowns or how they spend it is irrelevant to you. It's their game and their money to choose to do as they wish.

Further, your continued statement about the money Zos parent company won in a lawsuit somehow should be enough for Zos merely demonstrates you have a major lack of knowledge of business in general. Certainly glad your not the. Haines manager for any of the Zenimax companies.

Are you speaking English to me? I didn't quite understand your first sentence. First off Elder scrolls Online is our game. There is consequences in which can happen if certain activities are deem appropriate base on the players decision. Is this what we want the Elder scrolls online to turn into? A giant size RNG? Is bad enough that we have to spend months trying to farm for BIS gear in trials/dungeons. Whatever happen to the idea that I can use my money for crowns to purchase an item that I want? Once the transaction is finalized I can obtain the item that I want? Isn't that how the world works, huh? Instead now these days If you want that flashy apex mount you must gamble away your crowns for crates in which there is no guarantee of such item.

As far as my lack of knowledge of business in general. Might I let you know that I'm self employed. I'm into resales and now planning on going into the business of Nurseries & Gardening. Yes I operate my own business in the comfort of my own home. Had I treated my clients the way ZOS treats their players I would be out of business for sure because RL non gaming people would not put up such garbage. Gaming companies can get away with murder these days.

@raidentenshu_ESO

Most people can read through the one misspelled word. I'll restate it better to help you out.

How much someone spends on crowns and how the spend it is irrelevant to you.

Hope that helps.

Second, Zos has a vested interest on working on game content itself. They know well that they must be able to keep player interest for anything else they do to matter.

Running a small business doesn't really mean you have a broad knowledge of business. Many operate small businesses but it is really their trade they know and not so much the busisness aspect. Your statements concerning the lawsuit clearly indicates you have much to learn about business and are certainly not qualified for management on the business side of a company the size of Zos and especially Zenimax. No doubt there.

Oh. Typing on my phone so I expect a few typos. If you truly run a business I trust you'll be able to figure it out.

As a small business owner at least I know how to keep my costumers happy by producing actual products for them to enjoy, and not pull off a sleazy RNG garbage on them At least I produce them with human email contact (Not the automatic crap) including actual voice.Thats enough for me to have business knowledge.

My business way of managing my own business has been putting food on the table, paying my bills and taxes, and not to mention supporting my entertainment habits. I must know something in business that's keeping me from living on the streets.

In the business world the costumers are always right. If theirs an issue with a product that I sell then it's my responsibly to fix things and to provide the service for that costumer.... even if it's minor

Do you have millions of "costumers"? Good luck individually e-mailing with no automated responses.

FlyLionel · April 2017

I buy all DLC's with crowns and these sales make it obvious what to do. As for all this crown crate business, if you enjoy spending money on an rng chance, go right ahead. Maybe Zos will add more to their staff for Morrowind. Much obliged.

zaria · April 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

ZOS hasn't released anything good in the crown store since ever. The only good items in the store now is in the crown crates. ZOS refuses to release all of the good items in the crown crates back into the regular store because most people tolerate their greed lust of $$$$$ and actually support Crown crates by continuing to buy them.

This is why I don't feel I need any more Crowns on any of my accounts (plural). I still have tons of Crowns available from ESO Plus and prior sales. As someone who does not want to purchase even one Crown Crate, if they focus their efforts on stuffing the Crates with goodies, at the expense of direct purchase in the store, I figure I am good for life.

That said, the most recent events and showcases have had a couple things that I have picked up. The Jester hats. The Scholar. The odd costume. My supply is being depleted by these 500 Crown items.

As I am now on a self-imposed limited Crown budget, I only buy the inexpensive stuff, so if they start loading up the Crown Store with 4k mounts, they will help me a lot in making my Crowns last a whole lot longer.

ESO+ here too, I might buy some just in case I need later.
Might pick up the bear mount and pet for warden.

But I too stay out of the crates, I calculate the price for item in crate 100 crown=gem so I might go for something 15 gem items if I really want them like some of the robe costumes, as I did not have an costume who could work as an robe in combat.

Anything more expensive has to be something very special.

starlizard70ub17_ESO · April 2017

Thanks OP for reminding me to my crown on sale today.

KanedaSyndrome · April 2017

Most of the good stuff is in the crown crates.

I chose to view it like this. Yesterday I went to the movie with friends and brought my girlfriend, I paid for both me and my girlfriend. We got mediocre thai buffet and a less than 7/10 movie. It cost me more than 100$ or around 90$. That was all gone in less than 5 hours of an evening. Puff.

The crown crates I purchased today for 100$ (22000 crowns) enabled me to get my Wild Hunt Wolf which will certainly entertain me for more than 5 hours, and I got it for around 50$. I still have over 10k crowns left, but I did end up buying the mount via crown gems. Eitherway, this holds more value than mediocre food and movie for one night.

KanedaSyndrome · April 2017

rotaugen454 wrote: »

That's it, gonna buy more just to trigger this guy!

Bought 22k crowns

Phinix1 · April 2017

Is this really going on until the 18th?!?

Jim_Pipp · April 2017

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

most people tolerate their greed lust of $$$$$ and actually support Crown crates by continuing to buy them. This thought alone breaks my heart because deep inside I actually love this game, but ZOS has turned this game into their lactating milk cow.

Despite click bait tittle and some poetic phrasing I thought this was actually a good point a lot of players would agree with.

The more profitable crown crates are, the less likely we will be to see deep, meaningful and expansive... expansions. While I wouldn't tell anyone what they should spend their money on, I understand why the op has chosen this moment (while social media is full of stories of people buying a dragons hoard of crowns) to remind us players that we are voting with our wallets for the kind of game we want eso to be.

Phinix1 · April 2017

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

most people tolerate their greed lust of $$$$$ and actually support Crown crates by continuing to buy them. This thought alone breaks my heart because deep inside I actually love this game, but ZOS has turned this game into their lactating milk cow.

Despite click bait tittle and some poetic phrasing I thought this was actually a good point a lot of players would agree with.

The more profitable crown crates are, the less likely we will be to see deep, meaningful and expansive... expansions. While I wouldn't tell anyone what they should spend their money on, I understand why the op has chosen this moment (while social media is full of stories of people buying a dragons hoard of crowns) to remind us players that we are voting with our wallets for the kind of game we want eso to be.

Well said, and I agree 100%.

It is much like the dismay over genetically modified food, then suddenly there was a massive nation wide campaign of accessible, affordable organic alternatives. Even Putin said "if you crazy Americans still want to eat genetically modified fat burgers, go ahead. It won't hurt my feelings any." But for anyone with even the slightest personal responsibility, the CHOICE exists today where it didn't really just a decade ago. At least it was nowhere near as accessible.

That is demand governing supply, as it should be.

In that instance people "voted with their wallets" and the evil pesticide and GMO industry has begun to starve to death, even with their half BILLION spent blocking forced GMO labeling, because people CHOOSE the label with "USDA organic" and "non-GMO" over the label without. Most people I know just assume anything without it IS a GMO chemical cocktail unfit for human consumption.

In the case of Crowns, it comes down to customer satisfaction. PAWS to me isn't saying "Crown Crates are necessarily a rip off" it is saying "I am against rip off stuff so DON'T MAKE THIS ONE." That's where the "positively" part comes in. It is whether the customer PERCEIVES it to be a rip off in their actual personal experience, or whether it works out to be "mostly OK."

Crates are still young. For an example of a possible positive scenario, the first season I was able to buy a 5000 pack with sub Crowns alone, and while I had to sacrifice some other things, some of which were "limited time" gimmicks which sucks, and I didn't get any Atronach mounts which also sucks, I WAS able to get enough Crystals to buy the Shriven horse, and got a bunch of cosmetic stuff, which ended up being overall "worth it" for what I spent, TO ME.

I wouldn't go crazy and gamble my family's livelihood away like some Vegas junkie just to prove a point, but IT WORKED OUT. I didn't walk away feeling like I had been mugged or burned or totally ripped off or something.

Now this season, there isn't really anything in the 100 Crystal range I want, so it isn't really working out. But some people might want something in there, so whatever. The point is it comes down to how each customer ends up walking away from the deal feeling either bad or OK about it. It is the old "fool me once," or more like "once bitten, twice shy" thing.

It is therefor in Zenimax's best interest to make sure they don't put up too many limited time offers in concert with Crates, and that the overall experience of MOST customers with crates is generally at least not hugely negative.

Despite some people's overly hostile and negative impression of "those PAWS freaks," I have always maintained that it would be possible for Zenimax to do OK by most customers even with the gambling gimmick, which I am morally against in general, so long as they played their cards smart and left people feeling like they more or less "won" something equivalent to their investment EVERY TIME, with maybe something REALLY cool as a surprise bonus.

I personally think they need to add at least one of the smaller Crate packs (1500 Crown Crate package) to the monthly sub incentive, but beyond that, so long as they keep the price point where in a given Crate "season" you could get at least 5000-6500 worth of crates purely from sub crowns, AND still get one or two things from the straight up store that you might want, AND avoid too many "limited time only" gimmicks burning people out, it COULD work out to be a mutually beneficial arrangement.

I think they need to tweak the emphasis on those limited time only gimmicks a bit more but it has improved, somewhat. THE KEY IS THE PRICE POINT. So long as most people can feel like they are getting most of what they want without having to spend more than the average MMO price point of $14-20 per month, everyone will be happy or at least, not reaching for the pitchforks.

If not, people will be sad, and a sad MMO player is one that leaves the MMO as soon as new shiny comes along.

bogustech · April 2017

I just purchased mine!

Elvent · April 2017

I didn't know there was a crown sale today, ty.

SydneyGrey · April 2017

Since there aren't any more mandatory subscription fees, they have to make money SOMEHOW or else there wouldn't be a game at all. Or did you expect their employees to all work for free?