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Argument for Removing the 20% Damage Reduction Component from Leeching Strikes
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WalksonGraves✭✭✭✭✭
✭bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »Leeching strikes is trash. needs a rework. Not even good for a tank. SA is far superior to leeching strikes in all situations. The minimal health gain is irrelevant and not good.
The health gain isn't what it's used for.
then why would you use it??? Must be using it for that free debuff and the lack of skill slots.
Infinite sustain in all situations. As I said earlier it's the only way to keep yourself able to use skills while being stam/mag drained. That and it turns hvy attacks into huge stam returns with cp invested. None of my skills scale with the stats being reduced so the only difference is my low tank damage is slightly lower.
again, SA is far superior for resource gain.
again, you get magika drained you die.
but the initial drain is nothing compared to the resources you get back. Especially if your already used to weaving in attacks. Lets not forget the resources you save from using attacks such as sap, swallow, taunts, etc. Oh, and the extra skill slot you get.
I'm talking boss mechanics where you get drained to 0 magika, how you going to cast it to get resources?
I slot swallow soul for the 8% healing I don't use it. Damage/healing is pitiful on a tank, same goes for sap I don't like that build at all.
I don't do enough direct damage often enough to make 10% worth it, but I also don't waste my time spamming skills trying to sustain. It works well with my weaving.0 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »Leeching strikes is trash. needs a rework. Not even good for a tank. SA is far superior to leeching strikes in all situations. The minimal health gain is irrelevant and not good.
The health gain isn't what it's used for.
then why would you use it??? Must be using it for that free debuff and the lack of skill slots.
Infinite sustain in all situations. As I said earlier it's the only way to keep yourself able to use skills while being stam/mag drained. That and it turns hvy attacks into huge stam returns with cp invested. None of my skills scale with the stats being reduced so the only difference is my low tank damage is slightly lower.
again, SA is far superior for resource gain.
again, you get magika drained you die.
but the initial drain is nothing compared to the resources you get back. Especially if your already used to weaving in attacks. Lets not forget the resources you save from using attacks such as sap, swallow, taunts, etc. Oh, and the extra skill slot you get.
I'm talking boss mechanics where you get drained to 0 magika, how you going to cast it to get resources?
I slot swallow soul for the 8% healing I don't use it. Damage/healing is pitiful on a tank, same goes for sap I don't like that build at all.
I don't do enough direct damage often enough to make 10% worth it, but I also don't waste my time spamming skills trying to sustain. It works well with my weaving.
use a potion or heavy attack real quick to get it off. If you know tis coming you should be ready. Even if not using damage abilities, which is weird you use swallow but not the heal component, the amount of overall sustain from SA is far far superior.2 -
WalksonGraves✭✭✭✭✭
✭bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »Leeching strikes is trash. needs a rework. Not even good for a tank. SA is far superior to leeching strikes in all situations. The minimal health gain is irrelevant and not good.
The health gain isn't what it's used for.
then why would you use it??? Must be using it for that free debuff and the lack of skill slots.
Infinite sustain in all situations. As I said earlier it's the only way to keep yourself able to use skills while being stam/mag drained. That and it turns hvy attacks into huge stam returns with cp invested. None of my skills scale with the stats being reduced so the only difference is my low tank damage is slightly lower.
again, SA is far superior for resource gain.
again, you get magika drained you die.
but the initial drain is nothing compared to the resources you get back. Especially if your already used to weaving in attacks. Lets not forget the resources you save from using attacks such as sap, swallow, taunts, etc. Oh, and the extra skill slot you get.
I'm talking boss mechanics where you get drained to 0 magika, how you going to cast it to get resources?
I slot swallow soul for the 8% healing I don't use it. Damage/healing is pitiful on a tank, same goes for sap I don't like that build at all.
I don't do enough direct damage often enough to make 10% worth it, but I also don't waste my time spamming skills trying to sustain. It works well with my weaving.
use a potion or heavy attack real quick to get it off. If you know tis coming you should be ready. Even if not using damage abilities, which is weird you use swallow but not the heal component, the amount of overall sustain from SA is far far superior.
I heal up to 36k hp over 3 seconds for 1200 magika. Invigorating drain is the best and most efficient way to self heal.
Pots have cooldowns, some drain effects are long lasting or unavoidable. I can block from 0 resources while being drained under any circumstances because light attack/block cancel gets me enough stam for 3-4 blocks and magika to get to 100% hp.Edited by WalksonGraves on April 10, 2017 6:08PM0 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »Leeching strikes is trash. needs a rework. Not even good for a tank. SA is far superior to leeching strikes in all situations. The minimal health gain is irrelevant and not good.
The health gain isn't what it's used for.
then why would you use it??? Must be using it for that free debuff and the lack of skill slots.
Infinite sustain in all situations. As I said earlier it's the only way to keep yourself able to use skills while being stam/mag drained. That and it turns hvy attacks into huge stam returns with cp invested. None of my skills scale with the stats being reduced so the only difference is my low tank damage is slightly lower.
again, SA is far superior for resource gain.
again, you get magika drained you die.
but the initial drain is nothing compared to the resources you get back. Especially if your already used to weaving in attacks. Lets not forget the resources you save from using attacks such as sap, swallow, taunts, etc. Oh, and the extra skill slot you get.
I'm talking boss mechanics where you get drained to 0 magika, how you going to cast it to get resources?
I slot swallow soul for the 8% healing I don't use it. Damage/healing is pitiful on a tank, same goes for sap I don't like that build at all.
I don't do enough direct damage often enough to make 10% worth it, but I also don't waste my time spamming skills trying to sustain. It works well with my weaving.
use a potion or heavy attack real quick to get it off. If you know tis coming you should be ready. Even if not using damage abilities, which is weird you use swallow but not the heal component, the amount of overall sustain from SA is far far superior.
I heal up to 36k hp over 3 seconds for 1200 magika. Invigorating drain is the best and most efficient way to self heal.
swallow is a HOT not a burst heal. They are used differently.1 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »Leeching strikes is trash. needs a rework. Not even good for a tank. SA is far superior to leeching strikes in all situations. The minimal health gain is irrelevant and not good.
The health gain isn't what it's used for.
then why would you use it??? Must be using it for that free debuff and the lack of skill slots.
Infinite sustain in all situations. As I said earlier it's the only way to keep yourself able to use skills while being stam/mag drained. That and it turns hvy attacks into huge stam returns with cp invested. None of my skills scale with the stats being reduced so the only difference is my low tank damage is slightly lower.
again, SA is far superior for resource gain.
Depends on builds. If you don't like the skill, use SA. Some peple just prefer sloting LS and there's nothing wrong with that.Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique0 -
WalksonGraves✭✭✭✭✭
✭bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »Leeching strikes is trash. needs a rework. Not even good for a tank. SA is far superior to leeching strikes in all situations. The minimal health gain is irrelevant and not good.
The health gain isn't what it's used for.
then why would you use it??? Must be using it for that free debuff and the lack of skill slots.
Infinite sustain in all situations. As I said earlier it's the only way to keep yourself able to use skills while being stam/mag drained. That and it turns hvy attacks into huge stam returns with cp invested. None of my skills scale with the stats being reduced so the only difference is my low tank damage is slightly lower.
again, SA is far superior for resource gain.
again, you get magika drained you die.
but the initial drain is nothing compared to the resources you get back. Especially if your already used to weaving in attacks. Lets not forget the resources you save from using attacks such as sap, swallow, taunts, etc. Oh, and the extra skill slot you get.
I'm talking boss mechanics where you get drained to 0 magika, how you going to cast it to get resources?
I slot swallow soul for the 8% healing I don't use it. Damage/healing is pitiful on a tank, same goes for sap I don't like that build at all.
I don't do enough direct damage often enough to make 10% worth it, but I also don't waste my time spamming skills trying to sustain. It works well with my weaving.
use a potion or heavy attack real quick to get it off. If you know tis coming you should be ready. Even if not using damage abilities, which is weird you use swallow but not the heal component, the amount of overall sustain from SA is far far superior.
I heal up to 36k hp over 3 seconds for 1200 magika. Invigorating drain is the best and most efficient way to self heal.
swallow is a HOT not a burst heal. They are used differently.
yeah it's a worthless hot. Unless im trying to trigger sentinel it never does enough damage for the heal to make a difference unless you have a dps set up.0 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »Leeching strikes is trash. needs a rework. Not even good for a tank. SA is far superior to leeching strikes in all situations. The minimal health gain is irrelevant and not good.
The health gain isn't what it's used for.
then why would you use it??? Must be using it for that free debuff and the lack of skill slots.
Infinite sustain in all situations. As I said earlier it's the only way to keep yourself able to use skills while being stam/mag drained. That and it turns hvy attacks into huge stam returns with cp invested. None of my skills scale with the stats being reduced so the only difference is my low tank damage is slightly lower.
again, SA is far superior for resource gain.
again, you get magika drained you die.
but the initial drain is nothing compared to the resources you get back. Especially if your already used to weaving in attacks. Lets not forget the resources you save from using attacks such as sap, swallow, taunts, etc. Oh, and the extra skill slot you get.
I'm talking boss mechanics where you get drained to 0 magika, how you going to cast it to get resources?
I slot swallow soul for the 8% healing I don't use it. Damage/healing is pitiful on a tank, same goes for sap I don't like that build at all.
I don't do enough direct damage often enough to make 10% worth it, but I also don't waste my time spamming skills trying to sustain. It works well with my weaving.
use a potion or heavy attack real quick to get it off. If you know tis coming you should be ready. Even if not using damage abilities, which is weird you use swallow but not the heal component, the amount of overall sustain from SA is far far superior.
I heal up to 36k hp over 3 seconds for 1200 magika. Invigorating drain is the best and most efficient way to self heal.
swallow is a HOT not a burst heal. They are used differently.
yeah it's a worthless hot. Unless im trying to trigger sentinel it never does enough damage for the heal to make a difference unless you have a dps set up.
it is still a solid HOT especially when paried with healing recived/done and heay armor etc. Especially when your a vamp and dont have the health regen it becomes your health regen. Im not saying it is a must run, but if you have it on your bar and dont use it for the HOT that is weird.
anyway, my point is that SA provides more stam and mag over time than LS. You get really one maybe 2 benefits from LS. You dont have to cast, but you lose an extra slot so this is a give and take. The other benefit is the health you get back which is low for losing a skill slot and resource gain from SA. say your at 40k-60k health. That is 1200-1800 per light attck or so.0 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »Leeching strikes is trash. needs a rework. Not even good for a tank. SA is far superior to leeching strikes in all situations. The minimal health gain is irrelevant and not good.
The health gain isn't what it's used for.
then why would you use it??? Must be using it for that free debuff and the lack of skill slots.
Infinite sustain in all situations. As I said earlier it's the only way to keep yourself able to use skills while being stam/mag drained. That and it turns hvy attacks into huge stam returns with cp invested. None of my skills scale with the stats being reduced so the only difference is my low tank damage is slightly lower.
again, SA is far superior for resource gain.
Depends on builds. If you don't like the skill, use SA. Some peple just prefer sloting LS and there's nothing wrong with that.
sure, but that does not mean the skill does not have to be looked at. I would be very confident in saying that ZOS info probably shows how little the skill is used compared to SA. It needs to be reworked.1 -
WalksonGraves✭✭✭✭✭
✭500 hp every few seconds is not a good hot. If you are a vamp you already have drain for hp, you should be spamming it every chance for ult anyways.
I'm running
piercing strike/drain/(open slot)/leeching/guard
inner fire/shades/mirage/leeching/guard
the open slot is for swallow or mist or refreshing path depending on what I need.0 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »Leeching strikes is trash. needs a rework. Not even good for a tank. SA is far superior to leeching strikes in all situations. The minimal health gain is irrelevant and not good.
The health gain isn't what it's used for.
then why would you use it??? Must be using it for that free debuff and the lack of skill slots.
Infinite sustain in all situations. As I said earlier it's the only way to keep yourself able to use skills while being stam/mag drained. That and it turns hvy attacks into huge stam returns with cp invested. None of my skills scale with the stats being reduced so the only difference is my low tank damage is slightly lower.
again, SA is far superior for resource gain.
Depends on builds. If you don't like the skill, use SA. Some peple just prefer sloting LS and there's nothing wrong with that.
sure, but that does not mean the skill does not have to be looked at. I would be very confident in saying that ZOS info probably shows how little the skill is used compared to SA. It needs to be reworked.
I'll leave it as a toggle but increasing a little resources back. Maybe reducing spell and wpn dmg a 15% isntead the current 17% (in level IV)Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique0 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭WalksonGraves wrote: »500 hp every few seconds is not a good hot. If you are a vamp you already have drain for hp, you should be spamming it every chance for ult anyways.
I'm running
piercing strike/drain/(open slot)/leeching/guard
inner fire/shades/mirage/leeching/guard
the open slot is for swallow or mist or refreshing path depending on what I need.
dont misunderstand me, You dont have to use it. IM just saying it is weird that if you have it slotted you wouldnt use it.
You also said you dont use direct damage abilities, but then said you spam drain??? PLus you have taunts rihgt? So SA will benefit pretty darn good if your spamming it.0 -
WalksonGraves✭✭✭✭✭
✭bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »500 hp every few seconds is not a good hot. If you are a vamp you already have drain for hp, you should be spamming it every chance for ult anyways.
I'm running
piercing strike/drain/(open slot)/leeching/guard
inner fire/shades/mirage/leeching/guard
the open slot is for swallow or mist or refreshing path depending on what I need.
dont misunderstand me, You dont have to use it. IM just saying it is weird that if you have it slotted you wouldnt use it.
You also said you dont use direct damage abilities, but then said you spam drain??? PLus you have taunts rihgt? So SA will benefit pretty darn good if your spamming it.
Drain is a dot 5 sec channeled dot, I'm taunting every 12 seconds.
Unless you use sap you can't do enough direct damage attacks turn a profit.
Swallow sucks on a dps build and it's even worse when used at its most basic form. The passive is it's only saving grace.Edited by WalksonGraves on April 10, 2017 6:41PM0 -
bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭WalksonGraves wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »WalksonGraves wrote: »500 hp every few seconds is not a good hot. If you are a vamp you already have drain for hp, you should be spamming it every chance for ult anyways.
I'm running
piercing strike/drain/(open slot)/leeching/guard
inner fire/shades/mirage/leeching/guard
the open slot is for swallow or mist or refreshing path depending on what I need.
dont misunderstand me, You dont have to use it. IM just saying it is weird that if you have it slotted you wouldnt use it.
You also said you dont use direct damage abilities, but then said you spam drain??? PLus you have taunts rihgt? So SA will benefit pretty darn good if your spamming it.
Drain is a dot 5 sec channeled dot, I'm taunting every 12 seconds.
Unless you use sap you can't do enough direct damage attacks turn a profit.
Swallow sucks on a dps build and it's even worse when used at its most basic form. The passive is it's only saving grace.
it really is just an extra perk. The overall stam and mag sustain from SA is simply better. Hands down. That is an objective fact. Sure you get some health from LS, but that health is so negligible compared to other resources available including group healers.0 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Told you... it was good...Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique0