Emothic wrote: »

I asked around seeing if anyone was selling Kuta's.

I know you were using Kuta as an example, but it's worth mentioning there's almost no reason to use Kuta's in game except for gold jewellery, since you only need to use purple glyphs on purple weapons/armor then upgrade it to gold - the enchant upgrades to gold automatically.

Hate haggling. Just tell me the price.

Got a well known UK window company to come to my house and give me a quote. They quoted just over £10,000.
I said they must be joking. They asked how much I expected it to cost, I said around £3000.

They then went through a charade of phoning their boss up, then telling me they had a job that was cancelled so have the workforce sitting around doing nothing, and could do me a one off special offer of £3500 if I signed there and then and have their advertising board outside for so many weeks.

They were quite shocked when I asked them to leave.

Next day I phoned their competitor, I said I wanted their best quote and I don't want any ***, pretending to phone the boss etc. Didn't mention the previous quote amounts, just told them the other company had pissed me off changing their prices so much etc.

They came round and quoted me £3100 which I accepted as long as I didn't have to have one of their advertising boards outside.

They agreed and they got the job.

What really pisses me off with this is I know many elderly people who would have accepted the £10k quote, when they could have got it for nearly 7k less. Thats not haggling to me, that's just trying to rip vulnerable people off.

I'll always haggle.... PS4 N/A here...

You are right though, some people don't reply to lower offers and here is my reason why...

Most of the time I'm playing, I don't have my keyboard plugged in and I don't have the companion app loaded. With console chat being hard to type on using a controller, often times it is easier to just not reply since the majority of the time a deal isn't made even if I take the time to reply or vice versa.

I still try to haggle as much as possible, mainly because my first MMO was Ultima Online and it was a big part of the game and economy there. Unless I'm trying to buy or sell things and it's not a spur of the moment type thing, I usually leave it to 1 or 2 replies before I cut my losses and continue on with what I was doing.

Warframe ruined haggling for me. Most of the players there who haggled were a-holes and would become hostile to the point of continuing to message insults long after their counter offer was turned down. At the same time those players who wanted in almost a demanding fashion to haggle would not do so with their own goods. Dealing with that just left a bitter taste in my mouth for the whole process.

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Bartering Bargaining is a lost practice.

Usually greed and laziness are the main reasons.

Not at all. We don't live in a society of small kiosks. Companies list their prices and we search the Internet to find the best price. People are used to take it or leave it pricing.

Ever been to a flea market? A garge/yard sale? Ever been to a non-western country, who have street vendors?

Comparing online retail to selling things as a vendor or shouting on the street are two different things.

I lived in a poor Asian country for a decade. That is irrelevant to the kinds of people that make up the majority of ESO players. MMO players are probably a lot more likely to be buying purchases online than at flea markets.

Add to that the fact that most US groceries are bought in grocery stores where the prices are set. People aren't buying gourds on the street.

Well, I buy a large amount of my groceries from a Farmers Market, so don't assume so much.

I also buy things from stores and also from markets(trade shows, garage/yard sales, flea markets, art shows, etc). All of those places you bargain the deals.

Also, you keep comparing retail consumerism to ESO. Trading kiosk are consignment shops, not stores, hence why there are several price listings for the same items, within the same trader, let alone that market.

You can't really say that we don't bargain as a society when I just gave you 5 examples of daily bargaining an other members have given examples of purchasing vehicles and homes. Transactions that happen daily.

Sometimes, you will be right...except when you are wrong.

Your farmer's market anecdote is nice, but that is not how many Americans (assuming most people on the server are that) buy things. Home and car are not regular activities. They are infrequent events.

People really don't haggle much in the US. That is why people find it so novel in other cultures. This is not a new insight about Americans.

Maybe in your world but my reality is much different than yours. Most likely because I go outside and experience what I am typing...not just buying things online and maintaining a myopic POV.

Good day

As someone who does go outside and 'experience...outside typing', and -does- go to farmers markets and trade shows and craft fairs and renaissance fairs, I still don't experience much if any in the way of haggling. As someone who's sold at those shows(Ren/art shows) it pisses me off when people try to get what I was selling for less than I ask. Sorry, just because you aren't willing to pay for things at a given price doesn't mean that isn't what they are worth. When you count materials and labor time, most artists under-value their work.

so much this, my god. this is why I don't sell at markets anymore

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

In OPs examply the guy is already offering the items below what he would make selling it at market value via a guild trader and OP is asking for him to take another 10$ loss. For an item that easily sells it does not make sense.

Basically, the seller would do better selling via the guild trader than dealing with OP.

Actually most of the time if it's listed on guild store at 5k people sell for 4.5k because that's about what you'd make after the house cut and listing fee. So really, they're selling for normal price they would get at 4.5k

I see no problem with OP's attempt to get a better price. Any of you who do, don't haggle then. It's a part of life though so continue to not reply if that's what you wish. OP and I will continue saving gold on our purchases and thus have more to spend.

time is money. time I don't have to spend haggling is the time i can spend on doing things i actualy enjoy, like you know... playing the rest of the game.

edited to add, seeing the divide in this thread actualy kinda goes along with peple who like guild trader system vs people who don't. and people who don't like it at least in part don't like it because when shopping - its such,.. a monumental.. waste. of time. kinda like haggling.

No haggling.
Just use Guild traders, I buy and sell lots of stuff, and dont have the time to stand around haggling with People, time i could spend playing, doing quests, getting more stuff to sell.

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PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

I hate it.

I hate it even more when people try to sell something and say "send offer"; it's just going to end up being a haggle, or they claim that there's another offer lower than yours.

I actually don't mind that because no price was set outright. My problem comes when I set a price I think is fair, and then someone thinks I should undercut that.

So so, kinda depends on the item I try to buy/sell.

If it's something like a number of dreugh wax, I look the price up, go a little lower and multiply that by the amount of wax I intended to sell. There's the price. People trying to haggle about wax? No thank you, take it or don't.

If I sell something worth 300k however, I have the mindset of not going lower than 280k while offering it for 300k. That's the haggle room for those who are really into it I guess, but once they hit the 280k wall it ends.

What actually bothers me is people wanting CoD while sitting right next to me on the same map.
I don't CoD ever because I hate randomly unncecessary money sinks like guild house fees in other games or paying some invisible npc postman for a CoD function.

AFrostWolf wrote: »

Apparently not. I try selling in zone because I hate the guild trader system. I don't say how much, I let the other person decide what they want to offer. Or if I say "offer?" I get no reply. Like it's not hard to haggle a little bit. Often times you get better prices than guild traders because we're trying to instant sell the item. Guild traders are more of a, list it and hope it sells in the long term or while offline.

The primary reason you get ignored when you say "offer" instead of inserting a starting price is because that is a common practice in many games, including this one, of people trying to find someone that will offer a higher value than the item is worth. In other words, by just saying "offer" most people are going to view you as some one who is trying to rip people off.

As to haggling in general, on PC NA, people are so caught up on what MM and TTC say that they wont deviate from those prices. We even have the MM/TTC warriors that troll zone chats spamming their stored prices at anyone trying to make a sale.

If someone tries to haggle with me, I typically move on from them. I sell my stuff usually under normal asking price if I am trying to move it and so if someone wants to haggle, I don't have time to play their game.

I don't hate the player for playing the game. I just don't play the game. Buy it or don't, I don't have time to play the used car salesman game.

With that said, I understand a lot of people enjoy that aspect of the game. To each his own, I guess.