Do Players Not Like Haggling?

Egonieser · April 2017

No, because I've already lowered the price to the floor, usually below the MM recommendation and average prices. If you wanna pay even less, find another fool.

CapnPhoton · April 2017

I realize that this has nothing to do with the game, but after traveling to quite a few other countries, those with small businesses that rely on a barter system seem to make more money and last longer than those that have a rigid price system.

DaveMoeDee · April 2017

imnotanother wrote: »

Bartering Bargaining is a lost practice.

Usually greed and laziness are the main reasons.

Not at all. We don't live in a society of small kiosks. Companies list their prices and we search the Internet to find the best price. People are used to take it or leave it pricing.

DaveMoeDee · April 2017

Personally, if I ask for one price on an item like kuta that has a set market price, I'm not going to waste time responding to anything but responses from people willing to pay that price. If someone wants to haggle, it is there problem finding someone willing to engage.

bulbousb16_ESO · April 2017

Balamoor wrote: »

bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »

Haggling, just as in real life, is for those of low character.

That's a very western philosophy, in many of the open markets I visited in countries like Morocco, and Pakistan it's respected and considered an art form by some.

In the streets, though.

imnotanother · April 2017

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

Bartering Bargaining is a lost practice.

Usually greed and laziness are the main reasons.

Not at all. We don't live in a society of small kiosks. Companies list their prices and we search the Internet to find the best price. People are used to take it or leave it pricing.

Ever been to a flea market? A garge/yard sale? Ever been to a non-western country, who have street vendors?

Comparing online retail to selling things as a vendor or shouting on the street are two different things.

Nelson_Rebel · April 2017

No. I state my price I'm willing to sell and that's it. I don't want to spend an hour playing to get a price. If someone buys cool, if not I move on. No and if's or but's.

Alchemical · April 2017

There's some rather rude people here. I for one enjoy playing the market.

I don't mind haggling as long as it's a respectable offer and not something like 300g for a gold temper. A 500g difference like in OP post though is almost negligible with bigger ticket items. I could take that 4k now, immediately have it, and reinvest it into something else I can make a bigger profit on, or I can throw it in the store where I'll wait for days and I'm just as likely get undercut by 200g.

It's not necessarily that people haggling are greedy or clueless, they're just looking for a deal, same as anyone who visits multiple guild traders to get a price check.

Mgghool · April 2017

Not liking it? That is not correct word for it. I personaly despise haggling in game and even more in real life. I understand, that in some cultures it is normal and part of daily life, but it does not mean I have to like it or play along with haggling "minigame".

bulbousb16_ESO · April 2017

"I do not haggle, but I pay an honest price. On that, you have my word". - Narkhozikh, Sentinel Outlaws Refuge fence

CapnPhoton · April 2017

Alchemical wrote: »

There's some rather rude people here. I for one enjoy playing the market.

I don't mind haggling as long as it's a respectable offer and not something like 300g for a gold temper. A 500g difference like in OP post though is almost negligible with bigger ticket items. I could take that 4k now, immediately have it, and reinvest it into something else I can make a bigger profit on, or I can throw it in the store where I'll wait for days and I'm just as likely get undercut by 200g.

It's not necessarily that people haggling are greedy or clueless, they're just looking for a deal, same as anyone who visits multiple guild traders to get a price check.

Yes there are limits with haggling. I run an ebay business where I have a buy it now, then a make offer setting. If someone's offer is too low I counter it. But if it's insulting like $1.00 for a $10 item, I just decline or don't respond at all because usually those people don't understand how bartering works, or they are just trying to get something for nothing.

DonWalking · April 2017

On the contrary, many of my buyers and I are very negotiable when it comes to prices, usually makes the place feel more business-like. I also play on Xbox One NA.

Also I remember the good old times, when the average Kuta, wasn't so average and worth anywhere from 10-15k

Jaeysa · April 2017

I don't like haggling because in general my prices are more than reasonable. That being said, I'm happy to barter for gold tempers, nirncrux and nirnroot.

JKorr · April 2017

Emothic wrote: »

Maybe it's just because I'm on the Xbox One - NA server and it's different on other consoles and servers. But for some reason no one ever likes to haggle prices on this game. What I mean is that right now Kuta's are going for 5k in the guild trader. Now normally they are cheaper when sold on the "streets", through the chat system. I asked around seeing if anyone was selling Kuta's. One person said they were selling them for 4.5k each. Of which I responded "Can you do 4k each?". I did not recive any reply back from the individual, and unknown to them I would of gone 4.5k if they attempted to haggle their price at the very least.

Hell this happens to alot of items I'm trying to buy or sell. A player wants to sell or buy at a price they offer, I give them a counter offer of just 500 - 1k gold difference. And in turn I recive no reply from them. It's weird, because for a Free "Market" economy with no restrictions or regulations you would think that more players would try to haggle prices a little bit.

Nope. Hate haggling. You tell me a price, I can decide whether to buy or not.

Why should I assume that, especially if its something I want, you won't get annoyed that I tried to get a lower price and refuse to sell it at all? which is what I'm guessing happened with your counteroffer for the kuta. Even in guild traders I have an idea of what something is worth, and I can decide to pay, or say "no, a thousand times over the going price is not a price I'll pay" and look at a different trader. I don't mind someone making a profit on selling, but recently prices for motifs and recipes have gotten to the ridiculous level. I have a feeling offering what the items is actually worth would provoke a manure storm of epic proportions.

Emothic · April 2017

I notice that some of you have said that Haggling/Bargining is a lost "art". And by reading these comments I can tell that it has. Someone said that people have become use to the "take it or leave it" pricing that we have now in real life as an economy. Though in many cases bargining can still be used today even in a "Western World". Car Dealerships are a good place for such interactions. For example: I bought a 2016 Nissian Ultima of which is worth $28,865 at the time. They nocked it down to $24,000 because the dealership was having a sale to make room for the newer 2017 vehicles. Now even though they reduced the price by $4,865. I told them that I will pay $22,000 in cash at that very moment and drive off the lot the same day. After a minutes of bargining/haggling. We agreed to $22,700. That's and additonal $1,300 I saved. And I did it by haggling.

Now yes this is something you can't do for corperate stores and such as that. But if you know the right place and time you can save alot of money. Or in this case save alot of gold coin. Who know's how much coin players are losing out in profits and savings if they attempted to bargin a little bit. In most cases a haggle will only take 1 - 3 minutes. And that 1 - 3 minutes could save you or profit you a few hundred to a few thousand coins depending on what the item(s) are.

Jaeysa · April 2017

Here's the thing. In many places where haggling is common people set their prices because of it. So if I know people are going to haggle I'll price my stuff higher with the understanding it'll come down.

KerinKor · April 2017

Typhoios wrote: »

I don't. That is why I only sell or buy using guild traders. I don't enjoy playing merchant and haggling.

This.

MLGProPlayer · April 2017

People will ignore lowball offers because they can easily find someome else to buy at their asking price.

As a buyer, I only haggle if the seller doesn't suggest a price.

JKorr · April 2017

Emothic wrote: »

I notice that some of you have said that Haggling/Bargining is a lost "art". And by reading these comments I can tell that it has. Someone said that people have become use to the "take it or leave it" pricing that we have now in real life as an economy. Though in many cases bargining can still be used today even in a "Western World". Car Dealerships are a good place for such interactions. For example: I bought a 2016 Nissian Ultima of which is worth $28,865 at the time. They nocked it down to $24,000 because the dealership was having a sale to make room for the newer 2017 vehicles. Now even though they reduced the price by $4,865. I told them that I will pay $22,000 in cash at that very moment and drive off the lot the same day. After a minutes of bargining/haggling. We agreed to $22,700. That's and additonal $1,300 I saved. And I did it by haggling.

Now yes this is something you can't do for corperate stores and such as that. But if you know the right place and time you can save alot of money. Or in this case save alot of gold coin. Who know's how much coin players are losing out in profits and savings if they attempted to bargin a little bit. In most cases a haggle will only take 1 - 3 minutes. And that 1 - 3 minutes could save you or profit you a few hundred to a few thousand coins depending on what the item(s) are.

I've walked out of car dealerships where they try to "force" haggling. One salesman was rather shocked. I got a call two days later asking if I was still interested. I told him not if you try the same bargaining thing again. I bought the car somewhere else. without the aggravation and wasted time.

When I do sell items I try to price under the mm average I get from myself and my guildmates. If someone still isn't willing to pay that amount, then oh well. I've given items away for free to guildmates because I don't want to bother with figuring a price to list it for.

Emothic · April 2017

Oh boy! Talked a player down to selling Tempering Alloys for 9k each. Average price is 12k right now. Sucks I'm on console. Like to take a few screenshots and post it here.

Jaeysa · April 2017

So far the only ones with incentives to haggle are the buyers, so it seems like a pretty 1-way relationship to the style. Usually if I have something people want it'll sell. Discounting it much won't change that.

timidobserver · April 2017

Haggling takes too much effort for something like a Kuta. Most people don't want to haggle with you over 4-5k gold. Everyone needs Kuta. There are so many people looking for them that someone else will buy it at the requested price if you don't.

You will only find people willing to haggle if you have something rare and high priced like a Sharpened Spinner sword or staff.

FlicksZ · April 2017

A couple hundred or thousand gold is nothing when your in a trading guild. Doesn't even have to be prime location. Those 3 minutes haggling adds up to millions over time and you also taking time away from playing content or interrupting it.

Kiralyn2000 · April 2017

Emothic wrote: »

I notice that some of you have said that Haggling/Bargining is a lost "art". And by reading these comments I can tell that it has. Someone said that people have become use to the "take it or leave it" pricing that we have now in real life as an economy. Though in many cases bargining can still be used today even in a "Western World". Car Dealerships are a good place for such interactions. For example: I bought a 2016 Nissian Ultima of which is worth $28,865 at the time. They nocked it down to $24,000 because the dealership was having a sale to make room for the newer 2017 vehicles. Now even though they reduced the price by $4,865. I told them that I will pay $22,000 in cash at that very moment and drive off the lot the same day. After a minutes of bargining/haggling. We agreed to $22,700. That's and additonal $1,300 I saved. And I did it by haggling.

Sounds like an awful experience. Just tell me the damn price something is, don't make it some nebulous "maybe" that depends on me being confident/well-spoken/whatever that day. Bah. There's already enough uncertainty in life without going out of our way to add more.

EvilCroc · April 2017

Haggling is a sort of PvP. Some people hate PvP.

FlicksZ · April 2017

There are lots of people that love PVP but just not ESO's PVP. It is similar in concept to its economy and the way they are both set up. Imbalanced.

You need to consider the system when talking about haggling.

The system favours guild kiosks by a mile. Your buyers are limited by ALOT when selling in chat and unless its for rare items or something someone really needs you are not in an advantageous position or level playing field even.

Muramasa89 · April 2017

http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u75XQdTxZRc

Forgot this from my last post.

max_only · April 2017

I like to bargain a little.
Scenario 1: I know the max price it goes for and I know the bare minimum I'd take. I post in chat the price a little under max and I HATE IT when people chime in with, "you can get it 2k cheaper" no really Sherlock. I EXPECT to get whispers saying, "will you take x for it?" And if it isn't below the barest minimum I had in mind then yes I will. It even worse when the chimers post MM and TTC and right in their data posting it states a 5-7k range of prices. If your data says the item is 14k-22k and I posted 20k ( in my head hoping to get a least 17k but willing to accept 15.5k) then why are they butting in with their comments? To start my sale at 14k leaves me open for people to try and wear me down to below market price in order to resell it for profit.

Scenario 2: I have multiples of an item (runeboxes usually) and I'm about to vendor it because I don't care. I post in chat without a price and ask for best offer. In whispers people offered thousands of gold more than I expected to get and people under offer. Everyone gets the price they wanted it for. If one overestimated the value of it or another try to undercut me it doesn't matter because it all works out -- I now have gold whereas before I had junk.

Scenario 3: mostly this comes up around crafted products like furniture: I ask for a price check on the components (like candles made of heartwood, decorative wax, Rekipa, etc). I add it up and cut some fat for components I may have found. I post it for UNDER the amount of components and I get people trying to buy it for less than the cost of 1 ingredient. I got hassled so bad I had to put someone on ignore. At the same time I got a whisper from someone who wanted multiple but a little bit cheaper. I happily traded with that person.

Long story short - i don't mind bargaining or bartering just don't be a bum.

SirAndy · April 2017

inf.toniceb17_ESO wrote: »

Kuta huh? Try selling some rare weapon that costs like 300k-400k. 10 ppl will expect you to sell it for 10k or smthn and half of those will call you an idiot before 11th guy will actually buy it from you. If you wanna sell/buy on the "streets", as you call it, you better get used to it.

Or better yet, when you're trying to sell something in zone chat for a reasonable price and every time you post your WTS some *** keeps posting his (1 sold in the last 30 days) MM price that's only half of what the item is worth.

Cêltic421 · April 2017

It's not just the Xbox 1 servers. Of course sellers don't like to haggle. It's a waste of energy. Usually on the "streets" the seller already stated their price and most likely it's the lowest s/he will go. The prices are already cheaper than the traders why try to haggle for a lower price?

When I state a price it's already my lowest price I will go. I will not reply back if someone try to haggle. I don't have time for that. And there usually other players already whispering me about the item for the price I asked. I very rarely use zone chat to sell.