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Which parse is better? (in trials)

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Horowonnoe
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In one of the discussions going on currently, there was a debate about parses. What parse is better? A single target or an overall parse? So here is a poll. Vote y'all : )

Edit: Talking about PVE trials
Edited by Horowonnoe on April 3, 2017 6:58PM
PC / NA
Templar Healer "False Eye"
Sorc Healer "Potema the Wolf Queen"
Warden Healer "Heavy Attacks Online"
Magicka Nightblade DPS "Nephaleth Telvanni"
Dragonknight Tank "Nico's Facsimile"

Builds & Guides:
Horow's Templar Healer Guide for Trials (Murkmire updated)
How to get Felms to jump correctly in vAS HM?
Horow's vMA Magicka Sorc Build for beginners and lazy farmers
Horow's Magicka Sorc Triple Pet Heavy Attack Build - Summerset Isles Ready
More builds at anthem-guild.com/pve/.

Notable Achievements:
- World's first 18 Axes vAA clear
- World's first 20+ enrage stack Llothis in vAS HM and World record cone damage

Which parse is better? (in trials) 44 votes

Higher overall parse
9%
Artiss7732425ub17_ESOWrekkeddraj72616a 4 votes
Higher single target parse
79%
DeadlyRecluseDurganBlodoxhedna123b14_ESOlolo_01b16_ESONifty2gChillicStilliankojouGilGaladPraetorrusactoshCîanaitherrieurEdziuOreyn_BearclawAlcastRaghulAmmonErebosC0L0SSUSOompuh 35 votes
I don't know / don't want to answer / here for lols
11%
batters92OrphanHelgenRon_Burgundy_79ArgonianAustinMcEwen 5 votes
  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    Higher single target parse
    For those that missed the lovely conversation, the question revolves around which of Yolo's parses is in fact better from a trial/raid perspective.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR3XR4qsNhA

    mDK: 60.7k Total DPS, 49.3K Single Target DPS

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oasQBA65JHE

    mSorc: 64.5k Total DPS, 44.8k Single Target DPS
    Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on April 3, 2017 7:02PM
  • Horowonnoe
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    Higher single target parse
    Everyone is voting for the same thing! lol
    PC / NA
    Templar Healer "False Eye"
    Sorc Healer "Potema the Wolf Queen"
    Warden Healer "Heavy Attacks Online"
    Magicka Nightblade DPS "Nephaleth Telvanni"
    Dragonknight Tank "Nico's Facsimile"

    Builds & Guides:
    Horow's Templar Healer Guide for Trials (Murkmire updated)
    How to get Felms to jump correctly in vAS HM?
    Horow's vMA Magicka Sorc Build for beginners and lazy farmers
    Horow's Magicka Sorc Triple Pet Heavy Attack Build - Summerset Isles Ready
    More builds at anthem-guild.com/pve/.

    Notable Achievements:
    - World's first 18 Axes vAA clear
    - World's first 20+ enrage stack Llothis in vAS HM and World record cone damage
  • Izaki
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    Higher single target parse
    Well... Yolo isn't using Daedric Prey or Necro, so I think that his Sorc could largely outparse his DK in theory...

    But between these two parses, the DK one is the "better"
    Edited by Izaki on April 3, 2017 8:30PM
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  • Artis
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    Higher overall parse
    Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
    For those that missed the lovely conversation, the question revolves around which of Yolo's parses is in fact better from a trial/raid perspective.

    mDK: 60.7k Total DPS, 49.3K Single Target DPS


    mSorc: 64.5k Total DPS, 44.8k Single Target DPS

    Your perspective only works because cleave is also a huge part of that single target DPS and overall DPS is enough to kill adds fast enough without focusing on them.

    If it wasn't possible to ignore the adds and the mechanics was different (and we'll see that new trial), that wouldn't even be a question.

    The correct answer - single target is more important provided you have enough cleave to kill adds fast enough so that the group can survive without problems. If the aoe portion doesn't reach a certain threshold, then the ST part wouldn't be as important.

    I answered what I answered just cause there's no right answer but it's the only answer that acknowledges the importance of aoe :) It has to be high enough. Right now fights are designed such that we don't make any choice between aoe and single target - we just press the same rotation and ground dots/cleave does its job and it's enough to take care of aoe. But in general, it doesn't have to be the case.
  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    Higher single target parse
    Artis wrote: »
    Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
    For those that missed the lovely conversation, the question revolves around which of Yolo's parses is in fact better from a trial/raid perspective.

    mDK: 60.7k Total DPS, 49.3K Single Target DPS


    mSorc: 64.5k Total DPS, 44.8k Single Target DPS

    Your perspective only works because cleave is also a huge part of that single target DPS and overall DPS is enough to kill adds fast enough without focusing on them.

    If it wasn't possible to ignore the adds and the mechanics was different (and we'll see that new trial), that wouldn't even be a question.

    The correct answer - single target is more important provided you have enough cleave to kill adds fast enough so that the group can survive without problems. If the aoe portion doesn't reach a certain threshold, then the ST part wouldn't be as important.

    I answered what I answered just cause there's no right answer but it's the only answer that acknowledges the importance of aoe :) It has to be high enough. Right now fights are designed such that we don't make any choice between aoe and single target - we just press the same rotation and ground dots/cleave does its job and it's enough to take care of aoe. But in general, it doesn't have to be the case.

    I dont disagree with any of that. A year ago when we were still getting overwhelmed in MOL, my answer might in fact be different. Everything has to die, no question. This is also one reason Sorc is the flavor of the month. In many groups, the notion that all the adds are going down is not something they can bank on with absolute certainty, and perhaps the additional Cleave/AOE damage is needed. In the best groups, everyone does enough cleave damage that the adds are going down. What is relevant that point is how fast you can burn the boss, in which case, single target is more important.
  • batters92
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    I don't know / don't want to answer / here for lols
    Why not both?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm9AHWRbUH0
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  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    Higher single target parse
    batters92 wrote: »
    Why not both?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm9AHWRbUH0

    Wow... (runs to morph to Deadric prey and find my necro gear).
  • Artis
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    batters92 wrote: »
    Why not both?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm9AHWRbUH0

    I'm wondering why the parses aren't reproduceable if people are running the same or similar gear/rotations + weaving. Like, even initial burst here is 70k+ but pretty much every group has horn and all debuffs/buffs up at that point. I don't see anything special in the video - rotation, weaving and all, but the numbers are damn good and special :) But why? I weave too and with seemingly the same speed, especially the opener is pretty much the same.

    Granted, I'm not playing a sorc, but I was always wondering about this.

    p.s. Well done, batter92!
  • OrphanHelgen
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    I don't know / don't want to answer / here for lols
    The more aoe you have, the more you can ignore. The cats on zhajhassa, adds on twins and assassins and hulk on rakkath, they all need to die. Find the right balance in group imh. 8 dds cant focus on single only, and 8 dds cant have aoe builds:)
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  • Alcast
    Alcast
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    Higher single target parse
    Single Target dps > Aoe DPS.

    If you do have enough damage adds will die from the splashdamage from Blockade of Fire, Ultimates and other aoe Dots that are also used to get higher ST anyway.
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  • YoloWizard
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    Higher single target parse
    That Sorc vid is pretty old :D
    Prey in raids is kinda *** OP :s

    And yeah atm single target is most important in boss fights
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    World First Vet Halls of Fabrication Clear
    World First Vet Asylum Sanctorium +2 Clear

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  • Horowonnoe
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    Higher single target parse
    YoloWizard wrote: »
    That Sorc vid is pretty old :D
    Prey in raids is kinda *** OP :s

    And yeah atm single target is most important in boss fights
    Lol hi yolo
    PC / NA
    Templar Healer "False Eye"
    Sorc Healer "Potema the Wolf Queen"
    Warden Healer "Heavy Attacks Online"
    Magicka Nightblade DPS "Nephaleth Telvanni"
    Dragonknight Tank "Nico's Facsimile"

    Builds & Guides:
    Horow's Templar Healer Guide for Trials (Murkmire updated)
    How to get Felms to jump correctly in vAS HM?
    Horow's vMA Magicka Sorc Build for beginners and lazy farmers
    Horow's Magicka Sorc Triple Pet Heavy Attack Build - Summerset Isles Ready
    More builds at anthem-guild.com/pve/.

    Notable Achievements:
    - World's first 18 Axes vAA clear
    - World's first 20+ enrage stack Llothis in vAS HM and World record cone damage
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