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Why are y'all complaining about 40$?
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Sinthrax✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Send me $40 . It's no big deal .
This is the problem. This guy said more then he realizes. Give me, give me. That is why they complaining about $40. Its not free. That is your answer. Period.Edited by Sinthrax on February 4, 2017 5:58PM1 -
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✭GrumpyMuffin wrote: »SnuggleMePlease wrote: »
PI understand that you ESO+ subscribers are quite heated, and reasonably so, but to everyone who is not a sub, why are you guys all so mean to Zenimax about paying for more content?? It is a LARGE amount of stuff with the upgrade, so in my mind, it SHOULD be a bit higher in cost. Also, people are acting like 40$ is some MONSTEROUS price, which really isn't (again, if you are paying for ESO+, I completely understand).
What you mean to say is that $40 dollars is no big deal for you. Thank you for coming to the forums to flaunt your economic privilege, although not everyone is in your financial situation. Please think about this before posting such nonsense.
But on the other side of the coin your coming on this forum crying poverty... which is your situation, so I can't wrap my head around the fact that you are just doing the same thing...
I come from a background where $5 was a big deal... my parents were immigrants who worked 2 jobs each... and trust me they were not "privileged" enough to be sitting around playing a video game... so you having the time to come on a forum and bemoan the fact that $40 is a big deal is pretty disingenuous... if it is a" big deal" then like a previous poster said, it might be time to better your situation by maybe furthering your education and getting a better job so that $40 would not be a "big deal"
Might help if you establish which region of the world they live in before chucking more insults about how it is their own fault for failing at life. Not all players live in NA or EU. You can live very well in many parts of the world with what the west would consider very low earnings.
Is 40 dollars a lot for me in the UK, thankfully not, that doesn't mean that I cannot see how it can be for other people around the world with currencies which do less well against the dollar. Personally I think things in the game should be weighed against local currency
Whatever region they are from is immaterial... since wherever in this world if $40 is a burden... than maybe its time to get ones priorities in order... if it came down to this $40 being between an optional add-on to a video game and feeding myself or my family, I most assuredly would not choose to spend it on the game... but that's just me...0 -
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✭✭✭4 x the cost of the original game is very very steep.
I was considering resubbing when I saw that this dlc was coming, but now I see all this double speak and semantics about expansions and dlc's and how we wont get it with a sub and I am so not re-subbing. All future downloadable content is ALL future downloadable content.Edited by Jade1986 on February 4, 2017 8:36PM2 -
Ojustaboo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Not bothered at all by the price, am used to buying expansions even if I sub, having played many mmos over the years.
As other's have said it's because by the time it releases, an entire year will have passed where subscribers have had no dlc that isn't also available free of charge to non subscribers that I find a little off.
And I evaluated my options and worked out I can buy a separate copy of ESO (to use as extra storage), any new DLC, the new expansion and still be better off by around £70+ a year than subscribing every 3 months.
So I've cancelled. Not really annoyed personally, it was just a wake up call to me and I realised that for ME personally (who already bought all the DLC with the supplied crowns and have zero use for the xp boosts etc) subscribing is not good value.
He he. I didn't last 3 weeks before resubbing. Now I know what having the crafting bag is like, I can't live without it.
After this experiment I do now have a second account to play with
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Sausage✭✭✭✭✭
✭40 bucks is pocket money for me, but like the saying goes "everything is expensive for a poor".2 -
Saint_Bud✭✭✭✭My absolut favourit is when people get angry of the 40 $ and then they go smoking.PVP Saint-Bud magicka Templar: AR 49
PVE Lord Victarion mDK : dro'm-Athra-Destroyer pre Morrowind retired for crafting
PVE Ramsay-Bolton magicka NB: Voice of Reason Clockwork City Patch retired
VAA hm/ VHRC hm/ VSO hm/ VMOL hm/ VHOF hm/ VAS hm clear
Stop playing PVE because its boring, content not disigned for melee players and class balance and sustain is ***1 -
FloppyTouch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I pre order myself the cancel that order for a few reasons.
1.i don't want to play the warden class
2.i don't pve and the story does not interest me
3.i don't plan on doing the 4v4v4 until I hear what it's all about live. Afraid of the unkillable tanks taken it over
Nothing has to do with the cost or that I can't use my sub crowns to pay for it just does not fit what I'm looking for right now. I might change my mind after it goes live then buy it.0 -
doggie✭✭✭I think it's a little pricy for what they offer. I've never heard about a mmorpg expansion that does not include group dungeons.
They behave like they're hardly making money, but they've sold 10m copies, have some subscribers, itemstore, and they sell DLC's. So I doubt they're struggeling TBH.
It's hard to compare to other games, either the game have more players, or the other companies struggle financially. Reason I have returned to this game is mostly that other companies have gone bankrupt, and not many new games coming out.(in the west atleast).
I don't think I'll continue playing after Morrowind, I returned because of it, and have enjoyed the DLC's, but there's just far too little new content coming out. I basicly play through 3 years of content in a couple of months. They've only released 4 dungeons in those 3 years.
In the future that will likely continue so, there's not enough content to stay really.2 -
Dread_Viking✭✭✭✭it is not about the money.Don't worry girl I'm a Sorcerer, i got my Hardened Ward for protection1 -
Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's not about the money. Never was. That people don't want to spend $40 is a complete misunderstanding at best and a blatant strawman argument at worst.
Since we are still talking about this, here is my complete and total answer compiled from a few previous posts with all evidence included. Hopefully this will demonstrate how this is NOT at all about the Money, its about morality and principle. Allow me to explain.
DLC vs Expansion:
Morrowind is about twice the size (in landmass) of previous DLCs and about 1.5x as long of a storyline as Wrothgar (30hrs vs 20). So its about the size two wrothgars. People would't mind paying twice the Wrothgar price in crowns (6000 vs 3000) for Morrowind and subscribers wouldn't mind waiting two quarters (with no DLC) for its release instead of the usual 4 DLCs per year they were expecting because that's what they were told to expect.
But for subscribers, it stings a little bit that ZOS is changing their business model again, (and not really admitting they have changed anything) while also playing fast and loose with the definition of DLC vs "chapter." If you compare the substantial difference between morrowind and previous expansions like wrothgar, they look pretty similar. Both add landmass and new gameplay styles (like Maelstrom, trials, etc) and only differ in size so the semantics argument of "Expansion vs DLC" isn't that compelling. Also, the warden isn't completely new, it was a class cut out of early beta in 2013.
Change in Business Model
So it feels to a lot of subscribers that something they already pay for, (and monetarily helped develop) is being stripped out of the business model and sold back to them as something different (bundled with a few other things ZOS had lying around), when it really isn't that much different. Here is an example:
If I was a magazine company, and I sold you a yearly subscription that gave you 12 magazines per year at $40 per year, then for the next year, still charged $40 but only delivered 10 magazines, but also produced a double sized "Booklet" with a holographic cover that I sold separately for $20, you would feel a bit ripped off. Explaining that the "Booklet" isn't a magazine because its twice the size and has a fancy holographic cover wouldn't be a compelling explanation. Better I just admit I changed the business model and selling 12 magazines for $40 just didn't cut it for me so I would rather you pay $60 per year for the same amount of content just bundled differently.
The real reason people are upset
Most subscribers are diehard fans of this game and would appreciate the honesty and gladly shell out the extra money for Morrowind if ZOS just admitted they made a mistake and needed to change the model again. But instead, they pretend nothing has changed and we are given semantic word acrobatics and an unnecessary physical release of morrowind complete with a silly statue just to dance around the fact that this is really a DLC which literally means "Downloadable Content." Very few people buy physical game copies anymore. Making Morrowind a physical distribution seems like a completely bizarre business move unless you realize that ZOS already told subscribers they would have access to ALL DLC. Oops. Better crank out a special addition with a shiny statue. Shiny objects will distract them, won't they?
Back when "Tamriel Unlimited" Launched, Pete Hines said something to the effect of "Just subscribe and you won't EVER have to worry about purchasing new content. Subscriber's will be taken care of." If you don't believe me, you can watch it HERE. That's what subscribers were expecting for the foreseeable future so it is no surprise people are a little upset that this was changed with very little communication, sympathy, or appreciation for current subscribers and what they have done to help fund the game.
Now lets get some pre-emptive arguments out of the way:- Yes, ZOS can change their mind or business model at any time. They are not legally obligated to deliver anything they promise. Unlike almost every other industry that is held to external standards of ethics and quality from Movie Theaters to Vegas Casinos, the videogame industry is still in the regulatory wild west and can anything it wants to its customers. But should they still voluntarily follow some ethical guidelines? I think so. This argument is a moral argument, not a legal one.
- Yes, Zenimax is a business and business's are designed to make money. Since we don't know their finacial situation, this is irrelavent as this has NOTHING to do with the amount of money their are charging and everything to do with ZOS not sticking to their word and their PERCEIVED promises.
- Yes, other MMOs do offer DLC and charge extra for expansions but the expansions are usually so much bigger and game changing than morrowind will be and usually continue the main storyline which AFAIK, morrowind will not.
So the issue that many subscribers have is three fold.- ZOS isn't admitting (in a straightforward way) that they changed their business model again, and they are breaking their promise to subscribers (of delivering 1 DLC every quarter) and pulling Morrowind out of that subscription model by using a semantic technicality.
- ZOS isn't admitting that the Value of a subscription is decreasing as they have changed from 4 DLCs/year to 3DLCs and 1 "bigger DLC you have to buy separately" per year.
- Also the cost of items in the crown store (motifs) and mounts have kept creeping up although ZOS has said originally, (when Tamriel Unlimited came out) that subscribers would have more than enough of a crown stipend to fully enjoy the crown store. On top of that, there are now exclusive items you cant even get with crowns unless you gamble, which is just more price creep.
TL;DR: The bottom line is that the value of being a subscriber was slowly decreasing and Morrowind being published somewhat arbitrarily outside of the subscription model is a final straw for some that is getting them to re-evaluate the benefits of subscribing.
Just remember that ESO subscription money helped fund the Morrowind DLC.3 -
Wolfshead✭✭✭✭Honest i dont understand why people are so upset about Morrowind honest if have been World of Warcarft YOU NEED TO PAY THE AMOUNT AND STILL PAY THE MONTHLY SUBSCRIBE but here you dont need to pay subscribe so get off you high horse and pay cost or not but dont come whine about you dont have money.
I can tell you all that me and my gf dont have so much money left after we pay all monthly cost but we still manage to save enough money to buy 2 Morrowind® Digital Collector's Edition for we both love this game so honest if we can do so can you people do If you find yourself alone, riding in green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled; for you are in Elysium, and you're already deadWhat we do in life, echoes in eternity1 -
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✭✭Haven't been subscriber since the game was only on PC, so I don't really have much to complain about here, save one thing- any new class should be available to all players, subscription or not.2013
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Duiwel✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you don't want to buy Morrowind then guess what? You don't have to, you don't have to play that part of the game, but also know this.
None of you are entitled to it.
This is how the world works, new things are released all the time and just because you own an older version of something doesn't make you automatically eligible to be able to qualify for a freebie.@Duiwel:Join ORDER OF SITHIS We're recruiting! PC EU"Dear Brother. I do not spread rumours. I create them..."1 -
kalarro✭✭✭I understand that you ESO+ subscribers are quite heated, and reasonably so, but to everyone who is not a sub, why are you guys all so mean to Zenimax about paying for more content?? It is a LARGE amount of stuff with the upgrade, so in my mind, it SHOULD be a bit higher in cost. Also, people are acting like 40$ is some MONSTEROUS price, which really isn't (again, if you are paying for ESO+, I completely understand).
On the contrary. I am paying for ESO+ and I find it ok to pay more for an expansion. What I don't agree is that 40€ is an ok price. That's almost the cost of a full game.1 -
Naerri✭✭✭Haven't been subscriber since the game was only on PC, so I don't really have much to complain about here, save one thing- any new class should be available to all players, subscription or not.
Why should it? Base game sells for ridiculous 10 bucks now. You are lucky to get so much free content for this price.
Morrowind should be pay2play, but I do agree on one thing: the price is way too steep. Even WoW Legion sells for 35 bucks, so this M. should be in 25-30 range.0 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS already knows changing the business model with this expansion caused a big rift in the community . That is why Gina Bruno started the ideas thread to improve perks for subscribers just a little while after . A lot of people unsubbed after learning of the change . They re wrote their websites and changed their TOS . So at least the acknowledged this was an issue for long time subscribers and are looking for ways to make the subscription more valuable again .
All of these posts are just "opinions" . Business is driven by consumers and their willingness to keep buying a product . ZoS is at least smart enough to see a mistake . Even if late . When they implement a better subscription to make up for not covering what it use too , I'm sure some subscribers will return to paying monthly . Some left . Bit as consumers , it is obviously up to each person individually to decide how much is acceptable to keep shelling out for this game .
I know one friend admitted spending over a thousand dollars on ESO and another friend that only bought the base game and subbed when it mandatory laughed at that guy and called him many messed up names . People should be able to be mature enough to state opinions without tossing around insults no matter what you believe is a value and what is not .0 -
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✭I understand that you ESO+ subscribers are quite heated, and reasonably so, but to everyone who is not a sub, why are you guys all so mean to Zenimax about paying for more content?? It is a LARGE amount of stuff with the upgrade, so in my mind, it SHOULD be a bit higher in cost. Also, people are acting like 40$ is some MONSTEROUS price, which really isn't (again, if you are paying for ESO+, I completely understand).
@Yubarius
Because its like buying a whole new game for a little DLC. Lets be honest, based upon past performance we can't be expecting something amazing!0 -
Draxys✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Haven't been subscriber since the game was only on PC, so I don't really have much to complain about here, save one thing- any new class should be available to all players, subscription or not.
Why should it? Base game sells for ridiculous 10 bucks now. You are lucky to get so much free content for this price.
Morrowind should be pay2play, but I do agree on one thing: the price is way too steep. Even WoW Legion sells for 35 bucks, so this M. should be in 25-30 range.
A class isn't content, it's a way to do the content.2013
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✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Send me $40 . It's no big deal .
It makes me think back in the day for a ps1 game it would only be 14 quid, that was a lot of money for a game, now they are 50 quid in the UK (and not even fully completed, I'm looking at you mass effect Andromeda/no mans sky) So when you gotta fork out that kind of money for extra content you can understand it.
However if people got the money nobody gonna tell you how to spend it. If I want to spend it on cosmetic items (which I do) then I will! 50 quids worth of mounts lots of money..worth it..no, But I like shiny things
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QUEZ420✭✭✭✭PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »I wish I had your life where 40 bucks is an insignificant amount of cash. For me it's damn near a month's worth of food.
Ummm... I'm speechless.1 -
QUEZ420✭✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »just preordered the collectors edition digital..... no complaints here.
Same here can't wait til June!1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You must have been listening to a bunch of students. They usually dont have any money.2 -
QUEZ420✭✭✭✭PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »
Do explain.PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »I wish I had your life where 40 bucks is an insignificant amount of cash. For me it's damn near a month's worth of food.
Ummm... I'm speechless.
*sits in chair*
$40 bucks feeds u for damn near a whole month?? Strictly Ramen noodles only?
Do explain.
*stretches out on the couch*1 -
Naerri✭✭✭PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »
Do explain.PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »I wish I had your life where 40 bucks is an insignificant amount of cash. For me it's damn near a month's worth of food.
Ummm... I'm speechless.
*sits in chair*
$40 bucks feeds u for damn near a whole month?? Strictly Ramen noodles only?
Do explain.
*stretches out on the couch*
Can be done with bread and really small amounts of butter with juicy tapwater :-P But there should be an achievement for that.0
