To Those Who PUG in PvE...

Ch4mpTW · April 2017

https://youtu.be/phzd4DvSvrs

Keep your head-up, and don't give-up on finding a positive experience. The LFG tool may be a bit gnarly more often than not. And yes, you may come across a lot of ill-informed; toxic players. But, there is that chance still that everything just falls into place flawlessly. As shown in the video above. And what's odd is, I hardly spend more than 2hrs. a day on ESO (when I choose to slide on ESO). Let alone do I ever actually do undaunted dailies anymore, as I have all monster shoulders in divines that are considered BIS. Regardless, I decided to give a shot and things were phenomenal.

The tank was incredible and did their job amazingly. The heals were real. And the other DPS was holding it down quite nicely. Mind you, I had never met those individuals prior to today. I met the tank in Elden Root by the Undaunted Enclave, and the other 2 from the finder. Completely by sheer luck (if it was luck). I knew it was going to be interesting too, because we started off with the DLC dungeon. Rather than the bass game dungeons. And Bruh-Bruh, we smashed it. We ran that cleaner than some of my runs with guildies, true story.

I was completely blown away with how skilled some folks truly are who PUG, and it made me feel bad. Because I read all the time here on the forums about how there are good players, but never get the chance to shine. And my heart and feelings go out to them. Deadass. Because if there are more of y'all out there capable of pulling that type of work, than I can imagine what you're capable of in VMoL or hard-mode Craglorn trials. All you need is just the platform and opportunities to glow.

And well... I just wanted to tell you all to keep the faith in PUG'ing alive, and maybe you'll have an amazing experience as well. Or even better, you might group up with me and we can slay together. And I can assure you, we gonna jam good if we team-up. Just ask those who've played with me. We're going to get things done, and have a good time doing so. ^_~

FloppyTouch · April 2017

I pug every day can count on one hand how many times we could not finish a dungeon due to lack of skill or dps

phileunderx2 · April 2017

Pugging makes you a better player because you learn how to persevere in less than optimal conditions. Sometimes you get an awesome group and sometimes not. Lol

Ch4mpTW · April 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

I pug every day can count on one hand how many times we could not finish a dungeon due to lack of skill or dps

Yeah? That's a blessing, because some of the things I've both read about and personally experienced are quite disturbing (regarding this community). I also know others who've caught the bs countless times when trying to PUG, and just can't seem to catch a break. But regardless, I'm happy to know that. And I hope you continue to have positive experiences PUG'ing.

adeptusminor · April 2017

I'm more of a solo player but I pugged once when I was around level 40 or so. The group leader was nice, friendly and so was everyone else in the group. I told them it was my first time, everyone was cool and laid back and we had a blast (wish I would have added them as friends or written down their names). My gear was pretty underspecced but I only died once and we didn't wipe or anything. All in all good times, would pug again.

Mojmir · April 2017

Never will, I'd rather go to the DMV

Ep1kMalware · April 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

https://youtu.be/phzd4DvSvrs

Keep your head-up, and don't give-up on finding a positive experience. The LFG tool may be a bit gnarly more often than not. And yes, you may come across a lot of ill-informed; toxic players. But, there is that chance still that everything just falls into place flawlessly. As shown in the video above. And what's odd is, I hardly spend more than 2hrs. a day on ESO (when I choose to slide on ESO). Let alone do I ever actually do undaunted dailies anymore, as I have all monster shoulders in divines that are considered BIS. Regardless, I decided to give a shot and things were phenomenal.

The tank was incredible and did their job amazingly. The heals were real. And the other DPS was holding it down quite nicely. Mind you, I had never met those individuals prior to today. I met the tank in Elden Root by the Undaunted Enclave, and the other 2 from the finder. Completely by sheer luck (if it was luck). I knew it was going to be interesting too, because we started off with the DLC dungeon. Rather than the bass game dungeons. And Bruh-Bruh, we smashed it. We ran that cleaner than some of my runs with guildies, true story.

I was completely blown away with how skilled some folks truly are who PUG, and it made me feel bad. Because I read all the time here on the forums about how there are good players, but never get the chance to shine. And my heart and feelings go out to them. Deadass. Because if there are more of y'all out there capable of pulling that type of work, than I can imagine what you're capable of in VMoL or hard-mode Craglorn trials. All you need is just the platform and opportunities to glow.

And well... I just wanted to tell you all to keep the faith in PUG'ing alive, and maybe you'll have an amazing experience as well. Or even better, you might group up with me and we can slay together. And I can assure you, we gonna jam good if we team-up. Just ask those who've played with me. We're going to get things done, and have a good time doing so. ^_~

I pug with my gf. I can pull a little over 40k and she's doing like 22k. I que as healer so we get a 3rd dps as well. It is almost impossible to fail a pug. Any pug.

The secret to pugging is to team up with at least 1 other guilie/friend.

DephlaterMouse · April 2017

White Gold Tower. I constantly get multiple New players who won't listen/read when I explain the group mechanics then... Multi wipe.

Ch4mpTW · April 2017

DephlaterMouse wrote: »

White Gold Tower. I constantly get multiple New players who won't listen/read when I explain the group mechanics then... Multi wipe.

Ouch. I've experienced some inexperienced groups in WGT, that get caught on the 3rd boss. And boy oh boy. Nothing drops the group morale like wiping to the Planar Inhibitor multiple times. Especially after mechanics have been gone over tons upon tons of times, and people try to assure you that they've done it before.

Balamoor · April 2017

Maybe it's my Introverted personality, but I just could never pug that well, I'm lucky I have a awesome group of friends I play with.....I would probably just solo if I didn't have that.

TheRealPotoroo · April 2017

DephlaterMouse wrote: »

White Gold Tower. I constantly get multiple New players who won't listen/read when I explain the group mechanics then... Multi wipe.

Is that the one that starts with the Harvester boss and zombie adds? I ask because I tried the LFG once and ended up there. We got wiped twice on the first boss, nobody except me would say anything, and the group dissolved in silence. After that I went back to solo delves.

Ch4mpTW · April 2017

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

DephlaterMouse wrote: »

White Gold Tower. I constantly get multiple New players who won't listen/read when I explain the group mechanics then... Multi wipe.

Is that the one that starts with the Harvester boss and zombie adds? I ask because I tried the LFG once and ended up there. We got wiped twice on the first boss, nobody except me would say anything, and the group dissolved in silence. After that I went back to solo delves.

Yup. That's WGT. Lol. The boss that locks up a player, and they have to pick themselves out.

WalksonGraves · April 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

DephlaterMouse wrote: »

White Gold Tower. I constantly get multiple New players who won't listen/read when I explain the group mechanics then... Multi wipe.

Is that the one that starts with the Harvester boss and zombie adds? I ask because I tried the LFG once and ended up there. We got wiped twice on the first boss, nobody except me would say anything, and the group dissolved in silence. After that I went back to solo delves.

Yup. That's WGT. Lol. The boss that locks up a player, and they have to pick themselves out.

I love that part, speed lock picking is my jam.

idk · April 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

I pug every day can count on one hand how many times we could not finish a dungeon due to lack of skill or dps

I do not pug every day, but fairly often. Rarely have not been able to finish a dungeon regardless of it being vet or normal. I can count three times since the random dungeon became a thing with the GF.

AlienatedGoat · April 2017

Balamoor wrote: »

Maybe it's my Introverted personality, but I just could never pug that well, I'm lucky I have a awesome group of friends I play with.....I would probably just solo if I didn't have that.

I haven't had many good experiences with randoms. Once or twice, but mostly just bad times. If I didn't have a friend to play with, I'd probably just quit.

IronCrystal · April 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

DephlaterMouse wrote: »

White Gold Tower. I constantly get multiple New players who won't listen/read when I explain the group mechanics then... Multi wipe.

Is that the one that starts with the Harvester boss and zombie adds? I ask because I tried the LFG once and ended up there. We got wiped twice on the first boss, nobody except me would say anything, and the group dissolved in silence. After that I went back to solo delves.

Yup. That's WGT. Lol. The boss that locks up a player, and they have to pick themselves out.

I love that part, speed lock picking is my jam.

Force lock works well there. I almost always get out instantly.

Rohamad_Ali · April 2017

This is very true and a great way to meeting friends for more runs . Great vide @Ch4mpTW !

The_Art_of_Paw · April 2017

Am glad you encountered a pleasant grouping experience.

I can confirm that pleasant groups happen often. I also can confirm that the horror stories are true, as there are many unpleasant experiences as well.

I have somewhere close to 100 undaunted keys across my characters so I guess somewhere in the 200 or so dungeon completions with random normal and such added in (was running a random normal and then the easy normal key once a day for a while). Within that volume of activity, roughly 25% are unpleasant, 50% silent runs and 25% pleasant.

My tips for having an enjoyable experience is to not talk at all in group until you have an indicator that they are people you mesh well with when interacting with. When being silent, the abusive people tend to write 1-2 lines of abusive text on deaf ears each boss encounter and some kind of summary at the end.
Socially competent people tend to remain silent when they receive no replies as I have never come across one that has demanded a reply when they are seeking someone to chat to, just the ocassional guilt bait though they won't persist beyond the first attempt.

Overall I find the grouping tool in eso to be decent. It is not among the best in MMO that I have seen (I found WOW to be best) though if you que with either (tank and dps) or (heal and dps) as your options ticked then it is quite a decent tool and the interactions are fun to be repeatable for an enjoyable play experience.

Have a great time out there in dungeon land and may your experience be great!

akl77 · April 2017

I ran a pug of normal wgt today with lvl 14 and 22 dps, explained all the mechanics and wiped and wiped due to dps lacking
, then at 2nd last boss one of the dps left, failed pug.
After an hour, pug with another group, normal wgt, lvl 30 and 40 dps, went through so smoothly without anyone dying.
It's like that complete different experience, if one is bad, try another, you'll find a good one eventually.

Magdalina · April 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

DephlaterMouse wrote: »

White Gold Tower. I constantly get multiple New players who won't listen/read when I explain the group mechanics then... Multi wipe.

Ouch. I've experienced some inexperienced groups in WGT, that get caught on the 3rd boss. And boy oh boy. Nothing drops the group morale like wiping to the Planar Inhibitor multiple times. Especially after mechanics have been gone over tons upon tons of times, and people try to assure you that they've done it before.

Omg this so much. It's like the ultimate Reading Comprehension boss.

"Guys have you all done this before? - Yup. - Okay, our dps is low so don't forget to close the pinion please:) - Okay - *guys hardly ever close pinion, wipe when healer(me) gets portals because dot op*
"Guys we need to close the pinion. Just watch for it to open and then immediately close it. - *guys don't close pinion once, healer dies in blue stage for obvious reasons*
"Guys, we really need to close the pinion or it'll never work... - Kk - *hardy anyone closes pinion again and she helplessly watches someone get rekt in blue stage because she can't close pinion anymore or dot will rek her* "
.............
If they actually do close pinion or have high enough dps to not need to(out of blue stage), it's same story with portals. Nothing like 50 ads and 10 ogrims to spice up the day.

That said I do still pug and it still can be fun sometimes but unfortunately not so often(anymore). I'm glad OP got lucky though:)

I got into like endgame level group a few weeks ago, great tank(68k healthknight with op group shields) and dps pushing like 40k each, we breezed through the dungeon(I think it might've been wgt too...or not, I honestly don't remember but it was goooooooooood), then I suggested we go do cos because we can, we did but it appared dps were either not very experienced with it or used to different roles or something there - while dps was good they wouldn't bash the boss that chains down tank(remembering names is hard) and they had huge issues finding the way out of catacombs. We could've done it but people got snappy/impatient and ragequit, leaving me with the tank. Unfortunately that's another thing that often happens in pugs, people don't feel the dedication to hold onto strangers and try to figure out group strategy if things go wrong. Granted it's not always but often. Ended up calling in a couple friends and finishing this though, and happily friended the tank and am now frequently running stuff with him, did ROM no death together just a few days ago

That alone is worth a few dozen failed pug runs.

BRogueNZ · April 2017

Never had much joy with Sorc healers and Templar tank combo's ..

SirCritical · April 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

The tank was incredible and did their job amazingly. The heals were real. And the other DPS was holding it down quite nicely. Mind you, I had never met those individuals prior to today. I met the tank in Elden Root by the Undaunted Enclave, and the other 2 from the finder.

You should add them to your friendlist and/or guildroster. At least this is my "tactic" when I meet with nice and able players

Ch4mpTW · April 2017

akl77 wrote: »

I ran a pug of normal wgt today with lvl 14 and 22 dps, explained all the mechanics and wiped and wiped due to dps lacking
, then at 2nd last boss one of the dps left, failed pug.
After an hour, pug with another group, normal wgt, lvl 30 and 40 dps, went through so smoothly without anyone dying.
It's like that complete different experience, if one is bad, try another, you'll find a good one eventually.

@akl77 Dang man. I apologize that you had to go through all of that. You could've just messaged me on PSN, and I'd have happily came and assisted you along.

Ep1kMalware · April 2017

Magdalina wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

DephlaterMouse wrote: »

White Gold Tower. I constantly get multiple New players who won't listen/read when I explain the group mechanics then... Multi wipe.

Ouch. I've experienced some inexperienced groups in WGT, that get caught on the 3rd boss. And boy oh boy. Nothing drops the group morale like wiping to the Planar Inhibitor multiple times. Especially after mechanics have been gone over tons upon tons of times, and people try to assure you that they've done it before.

Omg this so much. It's like the ultimate Reading Comprehension boss.

"Guys have you all done this before? - Yup. - Okay, our dps is low so don't forget to close the pinion please:) - Okay - *guys hardly ever close pinion, wipe when healer(me) gets portals because dot op*
"Guys we need to close the pinion. Just watch for it to open and then immediately close it. - *guys don't close pinion once, healer dies in blue stage for obvious reasons*
"Guys, we really need to close the pinion or it'll never work... - Kk - *hardy anyone closes pinion again and she helplessly watches someone get rekt in blue stage because she can't close pinion anymore or dot will rek her* "
.............
If they actually do close pinion or have high enough dps to not need to(out of blue stage), it's same story with portals. Nothing like 50 ads and 10 ogrims to spice up the day.

That said I do still pug and it still can be fun sometimes but unfortunately not so often(anymore). I'm glad OP got lucky though:)

I got into like endgame level group a few weeks ago, great tank(68k healthknight with op group shields) and dps pushing like 40k each, we breezed through the dungeon(I think it might've been wgt too...or not, I honestly don't remember but it was goooooooooood), then I suggested we go do cos because we can, we did but it appared dps were either not very experienced with it or used to different roles or something there - while dps was good they wouldn't bash the boss that chains down tank(remembering names is hard) and they had huge issues finding the way out of catacombs. We could've done it but people got snappy/impatient and ragequit, leaving me with the tank. Unfortunately that's another thing that often happens in pugs, people don't feel the dedication to hold onto strangers and try to figure out group strategy if things go wrong. Granted it's not always but often. Ended up calling in a couple friends and finishing this though, and happily friended the tank and am now frequently running stuff with him, did ROM no death together just a few days ago That alone is worth a few dozen failed pug runs.

Our strategy is dps pretty much hold blue phase. Tank holds till 2nd portals, dps takes pinion and face tanks. We got 2 stam templars usually, we can hold it blue phase for 10-15 seconds and just dps it down. Stam classes sve alot of heals over time.

The_Old_Goat · April 2017

Pug'ing is a funny beast, sometimes you get a group where nobody says a single word and just gets down to business and sometimes you find some reasonably chatty people. I've been playing mmo's long enough that the silent groups don't bother me anymore even as weird as they seem but I at least like to start the dungeon with a "howdy". As far as the people following the mechanics it's been about a 50/50 split for me but most people are willing to learn. The must upsetting thing to me are people who que for something they're not, such as a dps que'ing as a healer or tank. Most recently I had a healer que as a dps and simply used radiant beam on everything the entire run. All in all, if I need a quick random, I pug it.

Magdalina · April 2017

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

DephlaterMouse wrote: »

White Gold Tower. I constantly get multiple New players who won't listen/read when I explain the group mechanics then... Multi wipe.

Ouch. I've experienced some inexperienced groups in WGT, that get caught on the 3rd boss. And boy oh boy. Nothing drops the group morale like wiping to the Planar Inhibitor multiple times. Especially after mechanics have been gone over tons upon tons of times, and people try to assure you that they've done it before.

Omg this so much. It's like the ultimate Reading Comprehension boss.

"Guys have you all done this before? - Yup. - Okay, our dps is low so don't forget to close the pinion please:) - Okay - *guys hardly ever close pinion, wipe when healer(me) gets portals because dot op*
"Guys we need to close the pinion. Just watch for it to open and then immediately close it. - *guys don't close pinion once, healer dies in blue stage for obvious reasons*
"Guys, we really need to close the pinion or it'll never work... - Kk - *hardy anyone closes pinion again and she helplessly watches someone get rekt in blue stage because she can't close pinion anymore or dot will rek her* "
.............
If they actually do close pinion or have high enough dps to not need to(out of blue stage), it's same story with portals. Nothing like 50 ads and 10 ogrims to spice up the day.

That said I do still pug and it still can be fun sometimes but unfortunately not so often(anymore). I'm glad OP got lucky though:)

I got into like endgame level group a few weeks ago, great tank(68k healthknight with op group shields) and dps pushing like 40k each, we breezed through the dungeon(I think it might've been wgt too...or not, I honestly don't remember but it was goooooooooood), then I suggested we go do cos because we can, we did but it appared dps were either not very experienced with it or used to different roles or something there - while dps was good they wouldn't bash the boss that chains down tank(remembering names is hard) and they had huge issues finding the way out of catacombs. We could've done it but people got snappy/impatient and ragequit, leaving me with the tank. Unfortunately that's another thing that often happens in pugs, people don't feel the dedication to hold onto strangers and try to figure out group strategy if things go wrong. Granted it's not always but often. Ended up calling in a couple friends and finishing this though, and happily friended the tank and am now frequently running stuff with him, did ROM no death together just a few days ago That alone is worth a few dozen failed pug runs.

Our strategy is dps pretty much hold blue phase. Tank holds till 2nd portals, dps takes pinion and face tanks. We got 2 stam templars usually, we can hold it blue phase for 10-15 seconds and just dps it down. Stam classes sve alot of heals over time.

Absolutely, but it only works if group's dps is high enough. I usually pug alone on my healer or tank and I can't add enough if group's dps is weak, and then is results into DoT stacking skyhigh and basically killing the person/people having it even if they're BoL spammed nonstop(or rather the moment I get distracted by portals or boss and stop BoL spamming for a few seconds). It's still fairly easily doable even with low dps but it means people need to actually pay attention and always close the pinion to prevent DoT stacking and pugs evidently don't like doing that:/

Curragraigue · April 2017

FloppyTouch wrote: »

I pug every day can count on one hand how many times we could not finish a dungeon due to lack of skill or dps

Same as this on PS4 NA. Rare that I have not been able to complete a PUG Vet Dungeon. Although I don't bother trying to do the DLCs in a PUG run.

Sovaso · April 2017

C'mon! I like pugs! And who not?

Anhedonie · April 2017

On pugging vWGT:
-Damnit CJ! All you have to do is to take that damned pinion!

Inhibitor is still a bane of pugs who don't read chat.

btw I pug every day and it is indeed a soul-crushing experience.

ghwaite · April 2017

I only ever PUG on normal level dungeons, for vet/hm it is always with trusted players.

akl77 · April 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

I ran a pug of normal wgt today with lvl 14 and 22 dps, explained all the mechanics and wiped and wiped due to dps lacking
, then at 2nd last boss one of the dps left, failed pug.
After an hour, pug with another group, normal wgt, lvl 30 and 40 dps, went through so smoothly without anyone dying.
It's like that complete different experience, if one is bad, try another, you'll find a good one eventually.

@akl77 Dang man. I apologize that you had to go through all of that. You could've just messaged me on PSN, and I'd have happily came and assisted you along.

Thank you champ!