This is an MMO, not a single player game, even ZOS has said that their biggest challenge has been getting ES players to understand that ESO is NOT like previous ES games.
Not their biggest challenge but their biggest mistake.
Those previous ES games were all blockbuster successes. ESO, not so much.
Our biggest challenge has been getting ZO to understand that ESO should be more like previous ES games.
IcyDeadPeople wrote: »Snipped for brevity
As for the research, yes, it takes a long time to learn every trait, but once you get to the 6th or 7th trait, you can craft Hunding's Rage, Julianos and Clever Alchemist, which are probably the most popular. And there are many relatively cheap sets you can buy from guild traders.
Some of the better housing writs require 9 trait.
First, Im one of those people who wants to play everything and learn the game on my own. I dont want to run in and search for the optimal builds and skip everything including know why that's the optimal build. I want to get the good gear and craft some of my own. I want to grab achievements and have fun within the game the way I have always done in ES. (I own them all including the SEs and Enderall) But seriously... some of this could be streamlined. Running the same quest/raid/whatever over and over in the hopes of possibly/maybe/on the off chance I get what Im looking for or spending a year to get research completed... BORING! Waiting around for groups when I could be playing... BORING! And new content isnt going to change that.
The grind of this game is ridiculous. Im a die hard ES fan. Always have been and always will be. But the grind of this game has me looking at my PC and asking... Do I really want to waste my time? Do I really enjoy this any more?
And it's getting to the point where I just shut down TESO and play the other ES games or go hang with friends in games Im not really into.
So... Unless I can figure out how to change the entire gaming ownership's point of view that say the player lives for the grind. Im going to remain bored. Yes... I realize that Im probably a singular voice. But then... maybe not.
FloppyTouch wrote: »L2P
First, Im one of those people who wants to play everything and learn the game on my own. I dont want to run in and search for the optimal builds and skip everything including know why that's the optimal build. I want to get the good gear and craft some of my own. I want to grab achievements and have fun within the game the way I have always done in ES. (I own them all including the SEs and Enderall) But seriously... some of this could be streamlined. Running the same quest/raid/whatever over and over in the hopes of possibly/maybe/on the off chance I get what Im looking for or spending a year to get research completed... BORING! Waiting around for groups when I could be playing... BORING! And new content isnt going to change that.
The grind of this game is ridiculous. Im a die hard ES fan. Always have been and always will be. But the grind of this game has me looking at my PC and asking... Do I really want to waste my time? Do I really enjoy this any more?
And it's getting to the point where I just shut down TESO and play the other ES games or go hang with friends in games Im not really into.
So... Unless I can figure out how to change the entire gaming ownership's point of view that say the player lives for the grind. Im going to remain bored. Yes... I realize that Im probably a singular voice. But then... maybe not.
it seems your issue is you expect it to be the same as a singleplayer ES game, sadly it being mmo first TES second makes it more grindy. But honestly if you run the quests you can lvl quite quickly, i personally have not had much trouble. I even enjoyted the story for the main quest lines of the factions. If you came to eso expecting the same amount of "grind" as the singleplayer then sadly you will never find it.
First, Im one of those people who wants to play everything and learn the game on my own. I dont want to run in and search for the optimal builds and skip everything including know why that's the optimal build. I want to get the good gear and craft some of my own. I want to grab achievements and have fun within the game the way I have always done in ES. (I own them all including the SEs and Enderall) But seriously... some of this could be streamlined. Running the same quest/raid/whatever over and over in the hopes of possibly/maybe/on the off chance I get what Im looking for or spending a year to get research completed... BORING! Waiting around for groups when I could be playing... BORING! And new content isnt going to change that.
The grind of this game is ridiculous. Im a die hard ES fan. Always have been and always will be. But the grind of this game has me looking at my PC and asking... Do I really want to waste my time? Do I really enjoy this any more?
And it's getting to the point where I just shut down TESO and play the other ES games or go hang with friends in games Im not really into.
So... Unless I can figure out how to change the entire gaming ownership's point of view that say the player lives for the grind. Im going to remain bored. Yes... I realize that Im probably a singular voice. But then... maybe not.
it seems your issue is you expect it to be the same as a singleplayer ES game, sadly it being mmo first TES second makes it more grindy. But honestly if you run the quests you can lvl quite quickly, i personally have not had much trouble. I even enjoyted the story for the main quest lines of the factions. If you came to eso expecting the same amount of "grind" as the singleplayer then sadly you will never find it.
On some level you may be correct. And I have played a lot of MMOs. Yes, I also enjoyed the story line and questing. Pretty close to having done all of the quests in all three faction zones. I just didnt expect the massive grind for gear. Which bores me. I have 8 characters. All leveled, almost all of them horse leveled and right now, to avoid said grind(and yeah I know how this sounds) Im doing offquestline acheivements like I like Mai'q, Fishing, the relics for the museum in Wrothgar, etc. (only on my main) to avoid the grind. And Im running out of things to do that dont require sitting in a queue for anywhere from 20 minutes to hours. It's horrible. I bought the game to play it not sit and wait or play the same content hoping I MIGHT get what I'm needing. I spent a week grinding dolmen day in and day out to get 3 purple pieces of jewelry. FYI- Im retired and spend up to 14 hours on the game a day. So a week of my time translates to a month or more of normal gaming time.