I'd say CP is the bigger culprit of healbots than Major Mending. The combination of Elfborn, Blessed, Quick Recovery, and the 12% extra crit chance turns BoL and CDB from powerful to downright ridiculous.

I play a PvE only magplar healer who quite appreciates her major mending. Neither she nor the charges under her care are 'unkillable'.

This sounds like a PvP concern. Leave PvE alone. This is just another example that screams for two separate combat systems since optimizing one clearly hurts the other.

@Strider_Roshin
Yeah ofc the majority would say no because it's not OP and if they do not agree with your opinions does not invalidate their belief as you are trying to with the said statement.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I think it needs to be said that I was expecting the majority to say no considering how many people play as a Templar.

People don't agree with you so find out why and maybe learn a different take of it instead of outright dismissing their claim, at that point you just killed your own thread.

Problem is CP . You can understand why if you go to Azura after getting out of Trueflame . Remove CP and game is much better .

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I think it needs to be said that I was expecting the majority to say no considering how many people play as a Templar.

The majority of the people in this game do not play a templar. Just because people don;t agree with you doesn;t mean there is a conspiracy theory or we are biased.

Even with major mending templars do not necessarily put out the most Heals per second on themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6Gp9O4RGAI

In this video Kodi, just watch the scrolling text on the right, in particular the incoming healing. In combat situations, he is often receiving every tick 3 incoming heals: his vigor crits at 2.3K, his rally crits at 1.1K, and surge crits at 2.7K. This doesn't even get into Rally bursts of 11K, the Dark Deal skill giving him 4.5K, or that as a stamina class, his major defense is supposed to be dodge roll, he has unparalleled mobility, or that he has a quick burst damage that templars or DKs can only dream of.

So, no, I don't think major mending on temps and DKs is problematic at all. I think the devs included that passive for a reason and they were correct to do so.

I'm going to miss it for tanking, used to be possible to have it running 100% uptime with pots. 15 sec isn't worth it imo, I'm going healing/lingering healing now. As an argonian nb my healing taken is already 28% so that major mending really pushed it into op territory.

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WalksonGraves wrote: »

I'm going to miss it for tanking, used to be possible to have it running 100% uptime with pots. 15 sec isn't worth it imo, I'm going healing/lingering healing now. As an argonian nb my healing taken is already 28% so that major mending really pushed it into op territory.

Lol I don't even use a healer when I tank. Unless it's a 12-trial of course. I mainly tank VDSA as of late though.

I like to make them feel important. Tanked vet coa last night with no healer after he dropped out and was surprised how little I noticed the difference. I keep my build in max tanking mode even though it's overkill for anything but trials.

As someone that is not a Templar I can tell you that no the Major Mending is not OP. These unkillable Templars you are refeing to are using a large combination of skills and passives and CP to get their desired result and a slight nerf to Major Mending would not change that. I think what someone brought up in another thread, the CP passive Vengance is more the culprit here than anything. You talked about heavy armored people with high mitigation and strong healing, they take tons of small hits then heal, and with vengeance if its a spell they block and they do it 3 times next skill they used is a guaranteed crit. And remember if its Melee they fight a Templar gets 15% extra mitigation when blocking against it.

So its a combination of things like I said, and if you nerf major mending too much you will effect PvE heavily as well. Don't touch it, its not OP and if you want something nerfed look at the other factors involved with an "unkillable" build.

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UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

quit trying to nerf templars more plz...we catch one every patch. Just wait till morrowind cp changes happen and the HA reactive magplars are not as effective

If a passive is too powerful it needs adjusted. Major Mending is much more powerful than Major Evasion, and yet Major Evasion still got nerfed (which I'm not against). I think the same needs to occur with Mending.

This will nerf pve. Major mending saved my ass in vma. No more pve nerfs due to pvp issues please.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Opinions aside, ZOS should really just run the numbers.

Does major defile completely counter the extra healing DKs, and Templars get from their respective passives/abilities? If not, adjust Major Mending. If so leave it alone.

Another thing they need to do is adjust the healing reduction of the CP defile passive so that it directly counters the increased healing from blessed that's granted to Templars, and DKs with their respective passives, and abilities.

Or buff major defile, not all things needs to be nerfed, in some cases buffing the counter is much better for the overall balance.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Opinions aside, ZOS should really just run the numbers.

Does major defile completely counter the extra healing DKs, and Templars get from their respective passives/abilities? If not, adjust Major Mending. If so leave it alone.

Another thing they need to do is adjust the healing reduction of the CP defile passive so that it directly counters the increased healing from blessed that's granted to Templars, and DKs with their respective passives, and abilities.

Well in that case major mending don't need a nerf on magicka templar but it do for stamplar and dk. I don't think that will work as a good base for if you nerf it.

I laughed so hard when people were saying malubeth was op for that 4 sec window. The chance of getting it proc'd when it's needed is astronomical.